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refuse_resist
31st July 2005, 10:36
Minutemen Suspected in Border Shootings
by Chicomozteca Thursday, Jul. 28, 2005 at 12:30 AM

"Rogue" Minutemen may be behind California border shootings

Minutemen Suspected in Border Shootings

Campo California

Jim Chase of the California Minutemen admitted to the San Diego press this week that rogue Minutemen shot 2 unarmed Mexicans at the California border near Campo Saturday night. The rogue theory is absolutely true, he said.

Chase claimed no one in his formal organization has fired a weapon, and that he has turned away extremists, but that hes encountered rogue patrols.

According to fellow anti-migrant activist Andy Ramirez of Friends of the Border Patrol, however, Chase had planned to bring snipers to the border, a move Ramirez denounced, saying It scared the hell out of me. We decided we weren't going to have anything to do with him."

Associated Press reported earlier that Chase would not intervene against anyone chasing migrants on the If somebodys stupid enough to do it, Im not going to stop them, Chase said.

Chase had urged volunteers to bring baseball bats, mace, pepper spray and machetes to the border but said he rescinded the call after the Border Patrol expressed concern about potential violence.

Despite Chases claim to knowledge of the shootings neither the Border Patrol nor any other federal, state, or local agency has opened an investigation, despite an earlier claim by San Diego Sheriff Bill Kolender who said We will not tolerate any kind of hate crimes, we will not tolerate any violations of the law

Mexican officials have meanwhile contradicted their original claim that the 2 Mexican nationals were shot by bandits a claim the victims flatly denied. Authorities now say it is uncertain who shot the migrants.

Jose Rivera Perez was shot below the left knee while waiting to cross the border about 20 yards south of the steel fence that slices through the desert. His group was approached, Rivera said, by a masked assailant who, when they began to run, fired on them.

Rivera said he was not robbed, according to the Union Tribune. If he were a bandit he would have robbed us and taken everything. He only shot at us and ran, Rivera said.

A second man, Carlos Estrada Martinez, said he was shot some 200 yards on the US side of the border when, according to the Union Tribune, he saw a laser dot tracing up and down the front of his body before he was hit by the third of three shots fired in the darkness. Estrada also said he was not robbed.

Chase, who has reportedly angered police with a very frequent series of calls over minor matters, told reporters that he has been running into people conducting patrols who have not gone through me There is no indication that Chase reported such patrols to the police, however.

Similar claims of rogue Minutemen activity were made when Minutemen invaded the Arizona border and several migrants were held at gunpoint. Chase claimed this week he had called the Border Patrol after he picked up a migrant couple hitchhiking along a state highway near the borderline, claiming he became suspicious only after stopping to pick them up. He dropped them off near the Border Patrol station in Campo, then called agents to arrest them.

"They looked like a nice couple," he said.

According to the Union Tribune, Heriberto Garcia, regional coordinator of the Mexican National Human Rights Commission, said of the Minutemen, They are feeding feelings of hatred Its very strange that these acts are occurring in this context. Were not discarding any possibilities until authorities find out who did this, one way or another.

Meanwhile, anti-Minutemen activists in the Campo area reported encountering heavily armed men hiding in bushes the night of the shooting, some two miles East of Campo in the direction the shootings took place. The men used Morse code on their flashlights to demand a password from the activists.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/1717728.php
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For mainstream press reports see:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/...1m26border.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20050726-9999-1m26border.html)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/...-7m27shoot.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20050727-9999-7m27shoot.html)

bolshevik butcher
31st July 2005, 12:01
This is disgusting, do these people see themselves as an extension of the police?

Anarchist Freedom
31st July 2005, 18:01
No they see themselves as american patroits who are protecting america and its youth. :lol:

Oh also so the mexicans wont steal all our jobs!! ;)

Ownthink
31st July 2005, 18:30
I say take these two "vigilantes" out and execute them in the streets. No fucking slack for people who feel they can murder someone because they are "illegally crossing the border into our great nation." How fuckin sickening is that? Some people could be escaping murder, poverty, violence, a horrible shitty life, and all they want is to have a better life here in the U.S.,(good luck with that, but they still shouldn't be shot) but they are met with bullets. This is fucking disgusting.

bolshevik butcher
31st July 2005, 18:53
So there just loyal citizens protecting hte homeland then :lol: . These people sound horrible.

Red Heretic
5th August 2005, 06:49
The Minutemen are the new KKK

Guerrilla22
26th April 2006, 18:51
Anti-Defamation League accuses the Minuteman Project of neo-Nazi links

Anti-Defamation League:


The Minuteman Project, a month-long series of events, including armed vigilante border patrols, designed by anti-immigration extremists to draw attention to the issue of illegal immigration, began April 1 along the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona.

Organized by Arizonan Chris Simcox, founder of the Civil Homeland Defense border vigilante group, and Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, California, the Minuteman Project claims that over 1,000 volunteers will gather in Arizona to watch for illegal border crossers.

During the Project's first weekend, several hundred volunteers showed up, many armed, to engage in the volunteer "border patrols." Some volunteers unintentionally set off sensors that alert Border Patrol agents to intruders, according to a U.S. Border Patrol spokesman.

Highly publicized among right-wing extremists ranging from militia groups to white supremacist organizations, the Minuteman Project has attracted a variety of extremists and anti-immigration activists of all types. A number of neo-Nazi National Alliance members showed up for the first weekend of events.

Shawn Walker, spokesman for neo-Nazi National Alliance, earlier indicated that members of his group would take part in the project. "We're not going to show up as a group and say, 'Hi, we're the National Alliance.But we have members of ours that will participate," Walker said.

Before the project began, National Alliance fliers, describing illegal immigration as an "invasion" that will cause white people to be "a minority within the next 50 years," were circulated in several communities along the Arizona border, including Douglas, Nogales, Bisbee, Tucson, Tombstone, and Yuma. Similar fliers have also been distributed in Phoenix and Mesa.

National Alliance chairman Erich Gliebe said that local members distributed the fliers to help the Minuteman Project. "We have found that a lot of people in the area are sympathetic to our message, but won't admit it," Gliebe said.

The Minuteman Project has been advertised on various extremist Web sites. For example, an Aryan Nation Web site links to the Minuteman Project, proclaiming "a call for action on part of ALL ARYAN SOLDIERS."

The Grey Blur
26th April 2006, 20:55
They were a good band

Tekun
29th April 2006, 11:02
The situation inside the US is downright Nazi, the various anti-immigration orgs are behaving like the gestapo

Over here in SoCal, on various occasions therez been INS raids at work sites and in the streets that have resulted in hardworking innocent men,women, and children being arrested and detained for hours, then shiped back to their country of origin
Its pathetic, it reminds me of 1930's Germany, where Jewish ppl were persecuted

I thought America was all about freedom and liberty? :rolleyes:


In addition, I've heard that the police, INS, FBI, and Nazi groups are planning to take pictures, and film the protetests on May 1st, so that they can go after the ppl that show up to the marches--its downright frightening
Thats why I'll have my face covered with a handkerchief

Janus
30th April 2006, 03:10
The Minutemen are supposed to watch for illegal immigrants not shoot them but things can get out of hand at the border. Some of the land owners down there are taking the law into their own hands since some of the illegals and coyotes have been known to be armed and dangerous. There was an incident not too long ago with an inexperienced border patrol officer shooting and paralyzing an innoncent kid who had crossed the border. If this continues, the US government will definitely be pressured to do something about the border problem.