Any black metal people in here? [Archive]

Postteen

29th July 2005, 21:24

Well the political ideology of black metal is considered to be right wing, as i know.There some(many unknown too)neo-nazist bands, a thing which is quite worrying i think..Their ideology are something like that:

Rip the sacred flesh
Sodomize the holy asshole
Drink the red blood of the mother of earth
Masturbation on the dead body of christ
The king of Jews is dead
and so are the lies
Vomit on the host of Heaven
Masturbate on the throne of God
Break the seals of angels
Drink the sweet blood of Christ
Taste the flesh of the priest
Sodomize holy nuns
The king of Jews is a liar
The Heavens will burn
Dethrone the son of God
God is dead
Holyness is gone
Purity is gone
Prayers are burned
Covered in black shit
Rape the holy ghost
Unclean birth of Jesus Christ
Heaven will fall
Fuck the church
Fuck Christ
Fuck the Virgin
Fuck the gods of Heaven
Fuck the name of Jesus

The lyrics are satanic and they blaspheme christianity most of the times.However I find that I cannot understand them because of the high-pitched screeching vocals.And I don't like them.Drummers play really fast, in a very aggressive way so fast that it makes my stomach hurt...

Anyway, I can listen to some old black metal bands.Actually the only ones i can listen to are Venom and Bathory.And Cradle of filth which are considered to be melodic black metal.

Stormshield

29th July 2005, 21:49

Refuse Resist - Guess you listen a bit to Sepultura too? A favourite of mine, at least.

Beatle Kat - I don't know if the text you've got there is written by you or actually a "real" one - but it is indeed a bad example of a BM text. Generally BM is very philosophical and not at all as blunt and brainless as much death and gore metal.

And, the now deceased Euronymous and a few others were, if not communists, so at least stalinists.

For an account of the now rather fast-expanding nationalist-socialist BM, visit www.nsbm.com , a site and genre which NOT AT ALL mirrors my personal views and thoughts.

Postteen

29th July 2005, 21:58

which text do u mean?the "rip the sacred flesh"etc?No, that's not mine, I saw it from a site...

Stormshield

29th July 2005, 22:02

Yup, that one. If you enjoy BM (I'd not categorize Venom nor CoF as BM, Bathory yes, the early albums that is) then that's a shitty way of showing off the genre :D

atlanticche

30th July 2005, 01:37

which bands are black metal?
(i often get confused)

Clarksist

30th July 2005, 01:50

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:37 PM
which bands are black metal?
(i often get confused)
Black Metal is usually distorted blasting music, with shrieking vocals and song contexts usually have to do with anti-religion, or satanic or occult images.

Major bands include Bathory, Mayhem, Dimmu Borgir, Marduk, and Belphegor.

I usually listen to Death, Grind, or Doom. Black is very cool though. Mercyful Fate has amazing material, as does Marduk.

However, most BM bands are anti-gay and anti-commie. So fuck em.

The Forum Idiot

30th July 2005, 08:40

Postteen

30th July 2005, 09:17

I'm much more of a thrash fan when it comes to metal, my favourite metal bands being Megadeth and Pantera (followed by Dream Theater, but they're not exactly thrash now are they). However, I quite enjoy a little Children Of Bodom now and again (Black Widow rocks) if you count them as Black Metal.

NO, COB are not BM!!They play speed and melodic death metal!I don't really like them because of the vocals of the singer, which I think are not exactly for their music...When I listen to them I can hear only the music which is not something special is it..And yeah, Theater are progressive.

h&s

30th July 2005, 10:28

If its called metal, I'll listen to it!
I don't really have much Black Metal though, I have a couple of Cradle albums and a bit of Vader. Do Emperor and Arch Enemy count, or are they just death metal?

Ian

30th July 2005, 13:41

Bores the shit out of me.

Stormshield

30th July 2005, 14:42

As for "what's black metal", I suppose you're right when naming Mathem, Bathory etc, but really, Belphegor aren't that big a band, now are they? Add Darkthrone instead!

Aaaaaaand, Cradle of Filth... They are absolutely NOT black metal, maybe once they were a bit BM, but now, no.

Ian, how's that? Really useless comment there, give some arguments!

celtopunk

30th July 2005, 15:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:41 PM
Bores the shit out of me.
It isn't generally interesting enough to be boring.

Don't Change Your Name

30th July 2005, 15:49

Originally posted by celtopunk+Jul 30 2005, 02:10 PM--> (celtopunk @ Jul 30 2005, 02:10 PM)
[email protected] 30 2005, 12:41 PM
Bores the shit out of me.
It isn't generally interesting enough to be boring. [/b]
Exactly.

Those bands sound like a bunch of stupid Norwegian satanist kids with nothing else to do than whining and burning churches (not that I worry about that). And they're all nazis.

Stormshield

30th July 2005, 17:10

Oh, and you're not generalizing. Not at all.

The Forum Idiot

30th July 2005, 19:46

By reffering to them all as Nazis you are conforming to a similar generalisation to the real Nazi bands, I'd say its very hypocritical to reffer to all black metal bands like that, sure a lot are Nazi bands but I'm pretty sure plenty are not.

Stormshield

30th July 2005, 22:24

I'd say like this - of course there is a large group of NS bands, check out www.nsbm.com for an extensive list. However, most bands are not political at all, except that some points of misanthropy and nihilism (two common "ideologies") fits in with some political views. And of course, most are either anti-religious, satanic or pagan.

bolshevik butcher

30th July 2005, 22:47

Not a huge fan, thrash and alternative metal is better, i quite like cradel of thilth and thats about it.

Ian

31st July 2005, 01:37

Black Metal just doesn't do it for me.

Maybe it's the obsession with image or the large percentage of nerds in Black Metal, but it strikes me as a waste of time.

Haymaker>any black metal

Hegemonicretribution

31st July 2005, 02:39

Not much of a metal fan, although I give most thing with fast squeely guitar solos a bit more of a chance. As for Black Metal I think there is far better out there although there are some big drums that are worth a listen. As for political ideologies, most seem to be darwinist or just poor versions of anarchists, although I claim to be no expert.

Ian

31st July 2005, 08:47

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 30 2005, 06:24 AM
Rip the sacred flesh
Sodomize the holy asshole
Drink the red blood of the mother of earth
Masturbation on the dead body of christ
The king of Jews is dead
and so are the lies
Vomit on the host of Heaven
Masturbate on the throne of God
Break the seals of angels
Drink the sweet blood of Christ
Taste the flesh of the priest
Sodomize holy nuns
The king of Jews is a liar
The Heavens will burn
Dethrone the son of God
God is dead
Holyness is gone
Purity is gone
Prayers are burned
Covered in black shit
Rape the holy ghost
Unclean birth of Jesus Christ
Heaven will fall
Fuck the church
Fuck Christ
Fuck the Virgin
Fuck the gods of Heaven
Fuck the name of Jesus
Worst lyrics I have ever read.

I bet the writer was doing fist pumps all through it thinking he was being profound and awesome.

I'm going to work out what percentage of bandwidth you took up out of my monthly internet use and send you an invoice for you to pay back my old man.

Those lyrics were terrible, I can only guess as to how shit the actual music would be.

Stormshield

31st July 2005, 09:40

Just to balance it, here comes some other better BM lyrics :)

Mayhem - Freezing Moon

Everything here is so cold
Everything here is so dark
I remember it as from a dream
In the corner of this time

Diabolic shapes float by
Out from the dark
I remember it was here I died
By following the freezing moon

It's night again
Night you beautiful
I please my hunger
On living humans
Night of hunger
Follow it's call
Follow the freezing moon

Darkness is growing
The eternity opens
The cemetery lights up again
As in ancient times
Fallen souls die behind my steps
By following the freezing moon

Ian

31st July 2005, 10:18

Is that the best on offer?

Nickademus

31st July 2005, 11:08

ok i guess my question is what are the differences in metal....i don't pay attention too much to the type of music. i listen to cradle of filth, cannibal corpse etc.... what would you all classify that as?

Stormshield

31st July 2005, 13:31

Cradle of Filth I'd classify as some kind of medolic/symphonic cross of filmscore and black metal (mind you, VERY far from black metal) while canniba lcorspe are a prime example of the gore/death genre.

Postteen

31st July 2005, 16:26

hey Ian the lyrics I posted are not real lyrics!The site wanted to show what black metallers express in their songs and that's all!

THose are some black metal bands..the only ones i know..(I've just heard the names, have only listened 4 or 5 of them.And Immortal were good now i remembered them...

Bathory (Sweden)
Behemoth (Poland)
Burzum (Norway)
Carpathian Forest (Norway)
Cradle of Filth (United Kingdom)
Darkthrone (Norway)
Dimmu Borgir (Norway)
Emperor (Norway)
Hellhammer ?
Immortal (Norway)
Mayhem (Norway)
Rotting Christ (Greece)
Venom (England)

El Infiltr(A)do, at least their fans arent nazis.I have a friend who's a black metal singer (the band is Imperium Infernalis)and he's leftist!And yeah you're generalizing there!

h&s Emperor yeah as for Arch Enemy I don't think so..

Don't Change Your Name

31st July 2005, 16:46

Yeah, I'm generalizing.

So fuckin' what?

Postteen

31st July 2005, 16:59

What so fucking what?any kind if generalization doesn't work,you know that.Not all of them are nazis, not even the majority!(of the fans).And I don't think they're satanists..they just do what do what they do for their image..they want this morbid evil and satanic look..

Clarksist

31st July 2005, 21:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 06:31 AM
Cradle of Filth I'd classify as some kind of medolic/symphonic cross of filmscore and black metal (mind you, VERY far from black metal) while canniba lcorspe are a prime example of the gore/death genre.
Noooo... Cannibal Corpse is stripped down, unprofound and a very bad example of grindcore.

As for everyone thinking Cradle of Filth is BM... seriously. Black Metal is actually metal. I HATE this new black metal with melodic chick singing parts, clever rhymes, and catchy synths (except Dimmu, but I don't know why). I like my BM dirty, grimy, and anti-religion.

Stormshield

31st July 2005, 22:33

hm, guess you're into Cross Sodomy, Mütiiilation, Watain, Funeral Mist et all then? :)

cause then we're starting to talk!

praxis1966

1st August 2005, 00:39

Two examples of how ridiculous black metal is:

1) Mayhem--Cursed to Eternity

My name was written with
fire in the place you only
can see when your time has come
When you walk down in the
land of shadows for eternity.
The demon flies in the blackened
starless skies and crawls in
the bottomless depths of hell.
The name which will be a
thousand times cursed in eternity.
Condamned to wander, until it comes
to the cruelest snake that crawls.
The demon flies in the blackened
starless skies, and crawls in the
bottomless depths of hell.

2) This picture of two members of the BM (I love the abbreviation because it stands for black metal and bowel movement) band Immortal. These guys look like the new WWE tag team wrestling champions. And what's with the guy in the front? He looks like he just saw the boogey man and doesn't know whether to run or shit his pants. Either that or his lyrics are so bad he's finally managed to shock himself.

http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/26/gfxlcd26/immortal.jpg

Clarksist

1st August 2005, 01:01

hm, guess you're into Cross Sodomy, Mütiiilation, Watain, Funeral Mist et all then?

Definately. One of my favorite discs of all time though: "Panzer Division Marduk" by Marduk. And I know everyone is going to jump on the word Panzer in the name of the CD, but NO they are NOT Nazi's. Remember, Nazi's used God to defend their actions.

This picture of two members of the BM (I love the abbreviation because it stands for black metal and bowel movement) band Immortal. These guys look like the new WWE tag team wrestling champions. And what's with the guy in the front? He looks like he just saw the boogey man and doesn't know whether to run or shit his pants. Either that or his lyrics are so bad he's finally managed to shock himself.

Hahahahahaha, being a wrestling fan, I found that hilarious. I completely agree that they look stupid as fuck. But I'm still going to listen if they have good music. Immortal, however, not a good BM band, IMHO.

praxis1966

1st August 2005, 07:58

If you liked that, your going to love this shit. This is Abbath from Immortal by himself. The axe is bad enough, but check out his pants. Yes his fly is open, and yes, he unzipped it for the photo on purpose.

http://www.outofrange.net/blogarchive/archives/abbath.jpg

This one is of Dark Funeral, and I just don't know what to think here. I mean, look at that fucker on the right. I'm sorry, your fat gut hanging out from underneath your leather Village People vest isn't scary at all. And what's up with the shinguards? Forget about the generic inverted cross on them, what I want to know is when Hell started a soccer team. And what's up with the bondage theme anyhow? Look at those chains on the ground. It's pretty obvious to me that they plan on chaining up the fat guy and eating him for lunch.

http://www.evils-darkland.de/images/bandfotos/dark-funeral.jpg

The Forum Idiot

1st August 2005, 08:02

Look, trying to attack BM for being cheesy is ridiculous. Lyrically they may be cheesy but they'll never compare to most Power Metal. Just listen to Dream Evil - The Book Of Heavy Metal.

I'm not really a BM fan but I hate it when people judge a genre on a few bad examples then presume that of the rest.

Postteen

1st August 2005, 13:00

you're right TFI!

And Immortal are a nice BM band!Do not judge from their appearance which ok, I admit it's pretty funny..and Dani does some funny things as well...but it's all for their image and for money...

The Forum Idiot

1st August 2005, 18:09

Lol, are you sure you're supposed to say that on a highly elitist communist board?

I do kind of agree though. Its music, most of the time I envisage power metal, black metal, death metal and such as playing for fun. The image is for fun, I doubt too many of them take themselves too seriously. Its just a sound, love it or loathe it its survived quite a while and its here to stay. No one forces you to listen to it, and as long as nazi metal isn't inspiring otherwise good people to turn to fascism then let the baby have its bottle, it gives us someone to mock!

Invader Zim

1st August 2005, 19:20

Children of Bodom are really good. But I wouldn't listen to them for lyrical content, I can't usually make out what they are singing about...

Clarksist

1st August 2005, 20:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 12:20 PM
Children of Bodom are really good. But I wouldn't listen to them for lyrical content, I can't usually make out what they are singing about...
CoB aren't quite BM.

I don't see why so many people dislike it when you can't understand what they are singing. The texture and the ferociousness of their voice makes it all cool.

Invader Zim

1st August 2005, 20:18

Originally posted by Clarksist+Aug 1 2005, 08:01 PM--> (Clarksist @ Aug 1 2005, 08:01 PM)
[email protected] 1 2005, 12:20 PM
Children of Bodom are really good. But I wouldn't listen to them for lyrical content, I can't usually make out what they are singing about...
CoB aren't quite BM.

I don't see why so many people dislike it when you can't understand what they are singing. The texture and the ferociousness of their voice makes it all cool. [/b]
If they aren't black metal, then what are they?

Hampton

1st August 2005, 20:51

Coming after Praxis:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9454/16ql.jpg

Don't Change Your Name

2nd August 2005, 01:52

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 31 2005, 03:59 PM
What so fucking what?any kind if generalization doesn't work,you know that.Not all of them are nazis, not even the majority!(of the fans).And I don't think they're satanists..they just do what do what they do for their image..they want this morbid evil and satanic look..
...a look which is bad enough as for me to avoid getting the masterpieces (sic) this artists (sic) have recorded in an attempt to stop my generalization against the fake, insane, pathetic-looking clowns.

In other words, black metal sucks.

Ian

2nd August 2005, 02:14

Someone quote Atom and his package 'Black Metal Friends'

The dude on the right looks like he wishes he never agreed to dress up stupid.

black magick hustla

2nd August 2005, 09:27

I sometimes listen it to sleep.

It works!

Also, the black metal scene is filled with right wing fuckos and fascists.

Postteen

2nd August 2005, 12:28

Lol, are you sure you're supposed to say that on a highly elitist communist board?

Why not?It's true!I didn't say that I like what they do or that I support them, i just made a neutral observation!And i try to be as objective as possible.I may listen to BM twice a month and even less!I'm not a fan!

COB play speed and melodic death metal as I said Enigma...

The Forum Idiot

2nd August 2005, 17:57

Beatle Kat: I was totally supporting what you said, I was attacking the people on this board who are really opinionated and elitist. What you said was a very good observation *pets*

Dani_Filth

2nd August 2005, 19:31

ME!

bed_of_nails

2nd August 2005, 21:10

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 2 2005, 04:28 AM

Lol, are you sure you're supposed to say that on a highly elitist communist board?

Why not?It's true!I didn't say that I like what they do or that I support them, i just made a neutral observation!And i try to be as objective as possible.I may listen to BM twice a month and even less!I'm not a fan!

COB play speed and melodic death metal as I said Enigma...
God do I hate COB and COF.

If you want good Black Metal, listen to "The Black Dahlia Murder".

Great band.

Postteen

2nd August 2005, 21:32

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 2 2005, 06:57 PM
Beatle Kat: I was totally supporting what you said, I was attacking the people on this board who are really opinionated and elitist. What you said was a very good observation *pets*
oh, TFI, no I didn't misunderstand what you said!I was doing what you were doing as well... :P And CoB do suck Bed of Nails.The Black Dahlia Murder is a band?

The Forum Idiot

2nd August 2005, 21:52

Lol, gotta love them metal band names!

Anyways, I was really into this one Children Of Bodom song (Black Widow) and thought they were brilliant, then I heard the rest of the album and it put my off them forever... Black Widow's a cool song but I see why you don't like them.

bed_of_nails

2nd August 2005, 22:14

Originally posted by Beatle Kat+Aug 2 2005, 01:32 PM--> (Beatle Kat @ Aug 2 2005, 01:32 PM)
The Forum [email protected] 2 2005, 06:57 PM
Beatle Kat: I was totally supporting what you said, I was attacking the people on this board who are really opinionated and elitist. What you said was a very good observation *pets*
oh, TFI, no I didn't misunderstand what you said!I was doing what you were doing as well... :P And CoB do suck Bed of Nails.The Black Dahlia Murder is a band? [/b]
Yes, they are a band.

Invader Zim

2nd August 2005, 23:12

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 2 2005, 12:28 PM
COB play speed and melodic death metal as I said Enigma...
Well, I listen to a lot of Metal, but I'm not going to even start to pretend to understand the difference between black metal and death metal. Could you explain, please?

Clarksist

3rd August 2005, 00:02

Originally posted by Enigma+Aug 2 2005, 04:12 PM--> (Enigma @ Aug 2 2005, 04:12 PM)
Beatle [email protected] 2 2005, 12:28 PM
COB play speed and melodic death metal as I said Enigma...
Well, I listen to a lot of Metal, but I'm not going to even start to pretend to understand the difference between black metal and death metal. Could you explain, please? [/b]
Death Metal is very brutal, usually down-tuned overly distorted guitars with blast beats. The vocals are almost always growled and grunted in a deep and flemmy sort of way. Most Death Metal songs have intricate song structure.

Black Metal is brutal, usually melodic in an orchestratic sort-of way, distortion, blast beats, fast pace, and usually the vocals are shrieks and "wraith" like high pitched screams. Black Metal also uses imagery of satanistic, paganistic, or occultic symbols.

That's about it. For a good Black Metal album check out:

"De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" by Mayhem
"Panzer Division Marduk" by Marduk
"Progenies of the Great Apocalypse" by Dimmu Borgir
"Black Metal" by Venom

Oh, and of course the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Metal

Hope that helps.

Arsiema

3rd August 2005, 08:40

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:23 PM
Well, just wondered if anyone here listens to black metal, and how ye think the general ideologiy of it fits in with communism. Complicated matter, it is...
Black metal? what's that?

bed_of_nails

3rd August 2005, 08:46

Originally posted by Arsiema+Aug 3 2005, 12:40 AM--> (Arsiema @ Aug 3 2005, 12:40 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 07:23 PM
Well, just wondered if anyone here listens to black metal, and how ye think the general ideologiy of it fits in with communism. Complicated matter, it is...
Black metal? what's that? [/b]
Read the past 3 pages.

Quantum Flea

3rd August 2005, 10:17

I used to be a BIG Black Metal fan. Over the years thats faded almost completely. Looking back on true Black Metal as I read this thread I realise that for the most part, Black Metal is IDEOLOGICALLY RETARTED. In fact I think thats one of the genre's defining factors.

It has but one redeeming quality for the aspiring leftist: its vehemently anti- the judeo/christian tradition. But there are overwhelming reasons why this shouldn't cut it for you, the main ones being that it is frequently nationalistic, racist and money-hungry.

Definately. One of my favorite discs of all time though: "Panzer Division Marduk" by Marduk. And I know everyone is going to jump on the word Panzer in the name of the CD, but NO they are NOT Nazi's. Remember, Nazi's used God to defend their actions.

You've got to be kidding me right. For that one reason they are not nazis? The entire scene is littered with them, and Marduk are a HUGE part of the scene.

Varg Vikernes of the band Burzum is doing time for murder, burning down churches and possessing explosives. He's also a MASSIVE RACIST. Bard Eithun, originally of Emperor, is doing time for murdering a COMPLETE STRANGER solely for the reason that that man was a homosexual. These people are REALLY BAD ROLEMODELS, and their reactionary views have NO PLACE in our future.

Oh, and for the person who mentioned Pantera - a friend of mine attended a concert of their's when they toured Australia and apparently the lead singer claimed that the only thing left that was good about America was white suppremacy. Is this a well known fact about Pantera or did I get my facts wrong?

Oh and Children of Bodom are certainly NOT BLACK METAL.

The Forum Idiot

3rd August 2005, 11:39

I really, really don't think the lead singer of Pantera is a racist, sure he's a junkie asshole, but I doubt he's racist. Dimebag sure as hell wasn't and I doubt he would have played alongside a racist. The guy from Pantera may have been being sarcastic or something when he said that.

Anyways, Pantera aren't even black metal, not even remotely so they shouldn't even be in this thread.

Quantum Flea

3rd August 2005, 13:38

I really, really don't think the lead singer of Pantera is a racist, sure he's a junkie asshole, but I doubt he's racist. Dimebag sure as hell wasn't and I doubt he would have played alongside a racist. The guy from Pantera may have been being sarcastic or something when he said that.

Fair enough. I thought I'd ask before I went too far with that one.

Anyways, Pantera aren't even black metal, not even remotely so they shouldn't even be in this thread.

Now your just being pedantic - it's related and relevant.

4514

3rd August 2005, 13:43

Oh, and for the person who mentioned Pantera - a friend of mine attended a concert of their's when they toured Australia and apparently the lead singer claimed that the only thing left that was good about America was white suppremacy. Is this a well known fact about Pantera or did I get my facts wrong?

all true, my brother and i went to the perth gig, i was a huge pantera fan (4-5yrs ago?) but the crowd was full of bald-heads, so two halfcasts's in beanies,maori rights and 2pac t-shirts stuck out like a sore thumb but to the point, phil(vocals) started going on about all this "white-side" shit at which point the bro an me had to virtually punch our way out, fucken baldheads!
$60 and all i got was 3 songs and whole lotta punches in the face!

black metal is a bit like jazz to me, a heap a effort seems to be put into it but nah can't hear it? i do like all the make-up and blood, a few of my mates are BM's, there all decent people and all very anti-racist.
4514
rank and file

Ian

3rd August 2005, 22:11

There are a few speeches on the internet where he talks about being proud to be white

Stormshield

3rd August 2005, 22:48

Originally posted by Quantum [email protected] 3 2005, 09:17 AM
But there are overwhelming reasons why this shouldn't cut it for you, the main ones being that it is frequently nationalistic, racist and money-hungry.

Since fucking when is BM money-hungry? Even the scene's biggest band, Dimmu Borgir, does not have noney to even BUY THEMSELVES A CAR. So, I ask of you, how do you define money-hungry?

Stormshield

3rd August 2005, 22:56

And then to (almost) the rest of you here...

1. Immortal's photos and stuff are the absolute bottom of BM, with the exception of the corspe-painted kids you posted here, who for no little reason appear on several "funny-picture sites" here on the 'net.

2. Compared to 99% of all other music, BM lyrics are WAY deeper. The reason a lot of people doesn't get that, probably is that they expect some clever attack on society, some rebellious state-critisicm or something. Fuck that! It ain't gonna happen a lot. BM is about mood, feeling - darkness, misanthropy, nihilism, dark powers and death!

3. It is no idea to try to understand BM if you've never heard something akin to it before, it's just to intense music for the "ordinary listener". Ask any black metaller, I bet he/she wasn't listening to "An Apprentice of Satan" (Dark Funeral) by the age of five.

4. And, it is absolutely no idea to try to understand it if you don't want to.

Nickademus

4th August 2005, 05:46

ok what would you all consider carnal forge? (if anyone's heard of them)

Ian

4th August 2005, 05:56

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:56 AM
2. Compared to 99% of all other music, BM lyrics are WAY deeper. The reason a lot of people doesn't get that, probably is that they expect some clever attack on society, some rebellious state-critisicm or something. Fuck that! It ain't gonna happen a lot. BM is about mood, feeling - darkness, misanthropy, nihilism, dark powers and death!

The lyrics you posted were crap. And those themes sound terrible.

Clarksist

4th August 2005, 06:16

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 10:46 PM
ok what would you all consider carnal forge? (if anyone's heard of them)
They are more straight forward metal.

They have a bit of death and a bit ot hardcore. But they aren't really metalcore. Carnal Forge is actually pretty good.

Stormshield

4th August 2005, 09:06

Carnal Forge are death-thrash followin in the vein of The Haunted and At the Gates, I'd say.

Posting lyrics here without you hearing the music is like watching a horror movie in broad daylight with a clown jumpig up and down beside you. And why does "those themes sound terrible"? Are you one of those who can only enjoy the bright sides of life?

Ian

4th August 2005, 09:17

Reading lyrics is the only way to judge whether or not 'BM lyrics are WAY deeper'.

And no quite the opposite, I appreciate the entire spectrum of emotions expressed in music, just as long as it isn't trite.

Stormshield

4th August 2005, 12:53

I see your point. Then send me some lyric you find to be some kind of "deep", and I'll return one. That way, I might better see what you mean by deep.

Oh, here my english fails me! trite?

Invader Zim

4th August 2005, 17:24

I don't think you can proclaim a genre of music to have either greater lyrical depth than any other genre. All genre's have good and bad bands.

Stormshield

4th August 2005, 19:09

Yup, that's true. But take a cut out of the middle, and I think you'll end up with BM pretty damn high on the list! Not mentioning if you'd just count the tops... Well, I guess, that how good the lyrics are depends on the emotions and preferences of the listener/reader, so maybe it's just a very pointless subject.

Invader Zim

4th August 2005, 19:30

so maybe it's just a very pointless subject.

I would imagine so.

However I do think that a lot of lyrics, while sounding very deep and impressive are in fact bullshit.

For example i think that many songs about getting pissed or high have greater lyrical depth than say, some political piece of propaganda with lots of vague references to activists or events from the political world. I have to say that my favourite band is famed for the latter, so I guess lyrics aren’t always everything. However I must admit, I find a lot of the ‘arty’ lyrics bands produce are just boring and pretentious.

Stormshield

4th August 2005, 20:27

Yeah, amen to that. The so called "modern" metal especially.

The Forum Idiot

4th August 2005, 21:34

Ian: You can't totally judge the lyrics from reading them, it sounds weird but you have to listen to the music. You may think that Johnny Cash's Folsom City Blues is a straight forward murder song when you read it, but the contrast between the "jolly" music makes all the difference when you think about it. Also, Bruce Springsteen is a beautiful lyricist in his songs, but often when reading his lyrics seperately (particularly the likes of Atlantic City, Glory Days and Badlands) they don't seem as powerful.

Gunman

8th July 2006, 19:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:50 PM

And, the now deceased Euronymous and a few others were, if not communists, so at least stalinists.

Actually, Euronymous was a misanthrope. He was only interested in Stalinism because of the gulags. He was a fucking reactionary bastard.

metalero

9th July 2006, 04:35

Black metal, as any music genre, is completely apolitical. It is nihilist by scence, even reaching absurdism. The point is that many neo-nazis (which accounts only for a small sub-genre) use It since the genre is usually underground, which allows them to express their thrashy message in a low profile way. It evolved from trash metal, taking heavy influence also from classical music. It can be very poetical; but sometimes it gets boring with all the same misanthropic/satanic/mithological imaginery. I really enjoy its deep anti-religious themes, as well as its lyrics that sometimes evokes existentialist poetry. Is up to us leftists who enjoy metal to take it back from nazis, and use it as a way to express feelings against the system and the order of things, such as anger, fear, hope. My favourite band which I consider a nice evolution of black metal is Negura Bunget (http://www.negura.com/#), a prime example of traditional black metal, injecting their own indigenous mix of Dacian and Latin elements creating something original, along with a Scandinavian sound. They are very influenced, among other things, by rumanian philosopher Lucian Blaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucian_Blaga).

"Lucian Blaga gives a new meaning to the concept of mystery and produces at the same time a crisis of the object amendable to knowledge, a crisis expressed in poetry theatre and philosophy. In fact he amalgamates the lyricism, the dramatic and the philosophy.
The psychological failure in the horizon of mystery brings about the placing in “the sky line mystery”. The mystery becomes a place of refuge while facing fright or the incapacity of understanding something, and the horizon of mysteries is “a kind of general a priori of the human existence and consciousness.”, which “urges like a perpetual stimulus the human spirit to try to reveal its mysteries. This is the troubling initium of the human being: the deep and secret presence of the horizon of mysteries as an immanent pre-datum of consciousness and the tendency towards revelation, as a corollary of this structural permanence.”
The attitude of Blaga’s man/human being in front of mystery is synthetically illustrated in the poem I won’t crush world’s corolla of wonders, in which the lyrical I confesses: I won’t crush the world’s corolla of wonders/ and I won’t kill/ thinking of the mysteries that I come upon/ in my way/ in the flowers, in the eyes, on the lips or graves, and ascertains but I,/ I with my light multiply the world’s mystery -/ and just like the moon with its white beams/ doesn’t decrease, but trembling/ increases even more the night’s mystery/ I widen myself the dark sheen/ with thrills of holy mystery/ and all that is mysterious/ changes into a deeper mysteriousness…” The poetry uses a special language for the lyrical genre through metaphors, epithets, symbols etc. These are "the tools" which Blaga uses to increase and in the same time to hide the existential mysteries, from a philosophical point of view is tantamount to "the opening of the mystery". The poem is also a synthetic expression of Blaga’s philosophy and its philosophical argumentation is found in the volume Luciferian Knowledge (1933), later integrated in The Trilogy of Knowledge."