Was JFK Jr. Murdered

[cubalibra]

Did you ever have a gut feeling that JFK Jr. was murdered, or did you buy into the Kennedy Curse story?

Check out this story at
http://www.john-f-kennedy-jr.com/murdered.htm

An excerpt from the article:
The report of the National Transportation Safety Board came out on August 8, 2000, 13 months after the plane crash of JFK Jr. It contradicts many of the lies pushed in the media. For example, the L.A. Times reported "The accident that killed Kennedy was caused by an inexperienced pilot .. the NTSB concluded in its final report" (LA TIMES, 7/7/00, page 1). In fact, the NTSB report shows that Kennedy was highly experienced (he had more than enough hours for an instructor's license), he was described by his trainers as "excellent", "methodical", and "very cautious." (NTSB report, page 3) The media say the visibility was poor. But the NTSB quotes the Tower manager at Martha's Vineyard, where the plane went down, saying that there were "stars out" and visibility was "between 10 and 12 miles" (NTSB report, page 5). Why did the media lie? Why have they always lied about the murder of his father?

1) The rescue: This is enormouly important. The FAA radar tracked Kennedy's plane crash. The U.S. Coast Guard has reported that Kennedy contacted the tower on his final approach. THIS IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT!!! It means they would have known his plane was going down before it hit the water. FAA regulations require that a search begin immediately when a plane reports itself on final approach and does not land within 5 minutes. Yet it took them 14½ hours to send the first planes and boats to Martha's Vineyard. (Boston Herald, 7/20/99 "Time gaps in early hours of search are beyond explanation" Jack Sullivan and David Talbot) (LINK5)WHY?

2) The plane: Kennedy's plane had autopilot, capable of flying itself to within 100 feet of the airport. All a "cautious and methodical" pilot had to do was sit back and let the plane fly itself. (NTSB report, page 18)

3) The sabotage: Kennedy's plane had a black box. No other private non-jet plane on earth had one. He knew they wanted to kill him and he wanted to make it hard. The NTSB, says the battery had been removed, destroying all record of conversation in the cockpit. (NTSB page 10) All planes have an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), which sends out a beacon signal in case of a crash. It took 5 days to locate Kennedy's plane. Why? Was it missing? Disabled? The report says nothing. According to the NTSB report, the fuel valve had been turned to OFF (NTSB report, page 12). This valve had a safety device on it so that it could not accidentally be turned to OFF. Turning it off during flight would be suicide, since at top speed, the engine will die in 45 seconds!! Because the results are potentially deadly, the valve cannot be turned by accident. A safety-release button must be pushed down and held while turning the valve. This piece of evidence is the smoking gun. It is positive proof of foul play. Was Kennedy committing suicide? If he wasn't, there can scarcely be any question but that he was murdered. So who turned the valve? Read on. Kennedy's flight logbook is missing. (NTSB report, page 2) This will be seen as critical in one minute, because the logbook would have recorded the presence of a flight instructor on the plane. The media talked about a "graveyard spiral" and various forms of disorientation. The NTSB report describes Kennedy's plane making two mild explainable maneuvers; and then the plan plunged drastically to the right and plummeted straight down, crashing 2600 feet in 45 seconds. It sounds like someone grabbed the controls and suddenly shoved the plane into the water. But this description of a suicide plunge is consistent with the "suicide" position of the fuel valve.

4) The flight instructor: All of the early reports said there was a flight instructor on the plane (e.g. The New York Times, Saturday July 17, 1999). Then the flight instructor disappeared from the reports. Kennedy very rarely flew at night without a flight instructor. Out of 310 hours of flight time, and 55 hours at night, he had only 45 minutes at night without an instructor. (LINK12)He was very cautious. He had his wife on board. It is almost unthinkable that he would not have taken an instructor.

[plokhoe]

thats pretty interesting

[Xvall]

I think that the majority of the arguments against Reagan revolve around his bad economics, and not so much his politics.

[novemba]

2) The plane: Kennedy's plane had autopilot, capable of flying itself to within 100 feet of the airport. All a "cautious and methodical" pilot had to do was sit back and let the plane fly itself. (NTSB report, page 18)

That doesn't make much sense. Most private pilots fly planes to fly them and enjoy being in control of the airplane, if I was flying I wouldn't put my plane on autopilot, takes the point of private flying away.

The other thing is who would want JFK Jr. dead, and why would they?

[Pink Moon]

Wow, good work collecting all of that evidence.

[Mastermind]

its just fucking amazing.... but y?

[Commandante_Ant]

there's no curse, its just a series of unfortunate and some stupid moments. Can i just ask though....why would anyone want to kill JFK jnr? I mean, he wasnt in politics, he ran his magazine (george?), why would anyone want to kill him, unless they wanted to continue the myth of a kennedy curse? America is pretty messed up.

[cubalibra]

He was getting ready to enter politics, and early polling showed he was unbeatable.

[guerillablack]

I never thought about it.

[MoscowFarewell]

I always considered it, but it had just been a consideration. This is great.

[cubalibra]

The neocons knew once he held public office, he would try to re-open his father's assassination case because only a dope would believe the Warren Commision Report.

Magic bullet my ass!

[Hegemonicretribution]

Is there an official response as of yet?

[Commandante_Ant]

yes the official response is...we're no saying anything!

I dont think we'll ever know whats happened to JFK Jr. or his father for that matter. I know the JFK files are open to public viewing in the next 20 yrs i think but we'll never see the real files, it'll be doctored files to show it was cuba, ussr, oswald and that it wasnt his own government that had him killed.

[cubalibra]

There's more about Bush Sr. and the assassination of JFK:

It was reported by the New York Times, this week, the fact that “In May, Luis Posada Carriles, a militant anti-Castro fighter from the cold war era, was arrested here on charges of entering the country illegally and was imprisoned in El Paso, where he awaits federal trial. Barely anyone in Miami protested, even though many Cuban-Americans consider Mr. Posada, 77, to be a hero who deserves asylum. "
I did a search on him and found more than the Media dare print.

The above website http://jfkmurdersolved.com/posada.htm
has documents that shows Bush was in the CIA at that time. These assassins were in Dallas when Kennedy was murdered. Marita (became a CIA agent after being misstress to Castro) a testifies how she saw Oswald (now known CIA agent) and Ruby together, with two carloads of them at a motel the night before, armed with weapons. She got out. She testified that Frank Sturgis later boasted, "we killed Kennedy.”Other witnesses said they saw Posada in the Square also that terrible day.

The website also has documents that show one of those who knew and encouraged Oswald was a friend of George Bush Senior. He has repeatedly said he never knew him. The website reveals that many of these witnesses were killed before they could testify to the conspiracy. Even Jack Ruby was said he was willing to testify but he claimed he was being given a cancer causing drug that eventually did kill him.

The website provides pictures of George Bush with the CIA agent Felix Rodriquez and George Bush, and Felix Rodriquez’s capture of Che Guevara, who later had his hands cut off after he was shot. These agents also participated in the removal of democratic leaders in South American countries. Apparently Nixon was a Protégé of Prescott Bush. Nixon brought in Henry Kissinger, ex Nazi, who brought over many Nazis to serve in the CIA.

The author shows the history of this group. Some were hand picked by ex-President George Bush himself from the CIA initially to assainate Castro and invade Cuba in the Bay of Pigs attack... He and other Texas oilmen financed some of their operations. A Dr. Orlando Bosch, convicted of blowing up a Cuban airliner, with the help of Posada was later PARDONED by Bush Senior as President. The author says Bosch was the leader of the group at the motel where this gang was in Dallas the night before the killing of President J.F. Kennedy.


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[Camarada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 06:08 AM
its just fucking amazing.... but y?
perhaps JFK Jr. had presidential ambitions and Bush assassinated him.

[cubalibra]

This is a juicy excerpt from a juicy article about George Bush and the JFK assassination:

"Could George Bush be involved in the JFK assassination? In 1963, Bush was living in Houston, busily carrying out his duties as president of the Zapata Offshore oil company. He denied the existence of a note sent by the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover to "Mr. George Bush of the CIA." When news of the note surfaced, the CIA first said they never commented on employment questions, but later relented said yes, a "George Bush" was mentioned in the note, but that it was "another" George Bush, not the man who took office in the White House in 1988. Some intrepid reporters tracked down the "other" George Bush and discovered that he was just a lowly clerk who had shuffled papers for the CIA for about six months. He never received any interagency messages from anybody at the FBI, let alone the Queen Mary. It is also worth noting that a CIA code word for Bay of Pigs was Operation Zapata, and that two of the support vessels were named Barbara and Houston.

Many say that George Bush was high up on the CIA ladder at the time, running proprietorial vehicles and placed in a position of command, responsible for many of the Cubans recruited into "service" at the time. All through the Iran-Contra affair, Felix Rodriguez, the man who captured and had Che Guevara killed for the CIA, always seemed to call Bush's office first. From The Realist , (Summer, 1991): "Bush was working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion.... A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion.... "George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member.
The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role..." On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the 'smoking gun' conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, were discussing how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their connection to 'the Bay of Pigs thing.' Haldeman, in his book "The Ends of Power", reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as 'the Bay of Pigs'. On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps referring to the 'Cubans' and the 'Texans.' The 'Texans' were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination." So, why would an intelligence agency/secret society want to smuggle drugs and assassinate JFK? Well, they make a lot of money, and they garner intelligence assets through their participation. There's also the rationale that the world is a seamy and unseemly place, and if you're going to be the 'big boy' on the block, you better know what's going on.

And what better way of knowing than by running it yourself? There are also some who theorize that the covert drug trade fits with to destabilize American families and society. Through demoralizing and fracturing the body politic, they can impose their will using psychological warfare and the political alchemy of the Hegellian dialectic. James Shelby Downard's article, "Sorcery, Sex, Assassination and the Science of Symbolism ," an underground classic, links American historical events with a wild, numerological, grand occult plan "to turn us into cybernetic mystery zombies". The assassination of JFK, this article contends, was the performance of a public occult ritual called The Killing of the King, designed as a mass-trauma, mind-control assault against our U.S. national body -politic. During Operation Sunrise, Operation Blowback, Operation Paperclip and others, thousands of Nazi scientists, researchers and administrators were brought to the United States after World War II. Many were "smuggled" into the country against direct, written, orders from President Harry S. Truman. Project Monarch was the resumption of a mind-control project called Marionette Programming, which started in Nazi Germany.


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