Shoplifting Meat

[kilgore_trout]

I am curious to know peoples views on shoplifting. Contributing as little to the capitalist system is desirable and shoplifting is an easy way to feed yourself without working in a mindless job or supporting a multinational corporation. Personally I find it ethically justified to shoplift from a safeway. Now the question is what kind of things are ethical to steal and consume?

I am an scavenging omnivore. If meat is going to be thrown out, ill eat it to keep it from being wasted( if Im hungry at the time!) So if my mate is going to toss out half a hamburger or a couple slices of pizza, Ill eat it since its going to waste anyway. I would never *buy* a brand name candy bar, but they are so easy to shoplift that I grab handfuls whenver I want. Now heres the dilemma- If I can steal meat and candy that I would never buy because of moral reasons(supporting factory farming, etc.)can I consume these kinds of foods morally if I steal them? Does stealing and eating vegemite support the bastard corporation that owns it? Or are you softies against stealing period?

[KC]

Shoplifting is good! Shoplifting lets you live how you should be able to. And shoplifting things that you wouldnt normally buy and consuming them is just fine; you're making the establishment you stole them from lose money and forcing them to up their prices to counter it. Because it is more expensive, less people will buy from there.

Here's (http://samsara.law.cwru.edu/comp_law/10-shoplifting.html) a good site.


SHOPLIFT!

[plokhoe]

yer i spose shoplifting is good

[Clarksist]

Shoplifting is what I was born to do. :lol:

The simple answer is: yes. Shoplift and consume what you shoplift. Just focus on a few stores. Don't shoplift from, say, the health food stores or "granola" stores as most of them are fighting our fight.

Many supermarkets have no security system, and all that is needed is a quick hand and BAM you are eating tonight.

[Organic Revolution]

if your looking for some good food go to your local whole foods and raid that dumpster, i got 30 pounds of granola from one

[dso79]

Stealing isn’t rebellious, it’s criminal and it‘s not gonna bring down the capitalist system. Most thieves steal because they are lazy/greedy fuckers, not because they want to change the world for the better.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 03:04 PM
Stealing isn’t rebellious, it’s criminal and it‘s not gonna bring down the capitalist system. Most thieves steal because they are lazy/greedy fuckers, not because they want to change the world for the better.
im sure some people steal because they dont have the money to buy the stuff.

[Clarksist]

Stealing isn’t rebellious, it’s criminal and it‘s not gonna bring down the capitalist system.


Umm... yeah stealing IS rebellious. As its a refusal to live by the rules of the society. And no, shoplifting may not bring down the capitalist system, but every little bit can help.


Most thieves steal because they are lazy/greedy fuckers, not because they want to change the world for the better.


That doesn't mean that we can't steal to change the world for the better. And in a way, those thieves you are talking about kinda do hurt the capitalist system, so they "accidentally" change the world for the better.

[Invader Zim]

Shoplifting is wrong. The only people who suffer are the people who work for the companiesand the other customers, when wages are dropped and prices are increased to retain the profit margin.

[plokhoe]

not when u steal from the really big supermarket chains

[More Fire for the People]

I don't shoplift because for one, I'm afraid I would be caught and two, workers usually get the blame for shoplifted items.

[Clarksist]

Shoplifting is wrong. The only people who suffer are the people who work for the companiesand the other customers, when wages are dropped and prices are increased to retain the profit margin.


But if everyone shoplifted, it would speed up revolution. Think about how rewarding it would be to run profiteering supermarkets out of town, and make way for organic and helpful food stores to prop up.

That seems like a good outcome. As for the workers, they could work at the "approved" markets.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

shoplifting is good only form mass corporate bull shit .. but no like convince stores or “mom and pop” business’ , i suppose

[novemba]

Stealing is good.

Just don't get caught like me.

40 hrs community service, 200 dollar fee.

[which doctor]

I GOT IT! I FOUND OUT HOW TO DESTROY CAPITALISM. SHOPLIFT! START THE REVOLUTION NOW!

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 26 2005, 12:08 AM
I GOT IT! I FOUND OUT HOW TO DESTROY CAPITALISM. SHOPLIFT! START THE REVOLUTION NOW!
For those who don't know I was joking. Shoplifting won't put a dent in the major corporate chains. It won't make a difference.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 08:06 PM
Shoplifting is wrong. The only people who suffer are the people who work for the companiesand the other customers, when wages are dropped and prices are increased to retain the profit margin.
Oh who gives a shit. They're gonna screw us no matter what. :angry:

[kilgore_trout]

Here's (http://samsara.law.cwru.edu/comp_law/10-shoplifting.html) a good site.

This site is inspiring! If you needed a reason to shoplift, read this!



And shoplifting things that you wouldnt normally buy and consuming them is just fine; you're making the establishment you stole them from lose money and forcing them to up their prices to counter it.

I think your right. I think its ok to eat stolen meat if Im only vegetarian because I oppose fish farms and cattle slaughtering. The main reason why I dont buy meat is because I dont like factory farming and dont want to support the industry. I think stealing actually helps fuck up those industries. Does anyone who is a vegetarian (other than they hate the taste of meat) find this ethically wrong?

[novemba]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 26 2005, 12:11 AM
Shoplifting won't put a dent in the major corporate chains. It won't make a difference.
No, not to them...and that's the point.

Live off them whether it damages them or not...if it's not counter-revolutionary, then go ahead. Might as well!

[Clarksist]

Shoplifting won't put a dent in the major corporate chains. It won't make a difference.


Then why not? If the workers won't be hurt as its such a small part in the scheme of this, then why the fuck not?

As Necro Oner said, if you aren't hurting anyone, you miswell do it.


shoplifting is good only form mass corporate bull shit .. but no like convince stores or “mom and pop” business’ , i suppose


Oh absolutely. Mom & Pop stores can't handle it. But big chains need some "product shrinkage."

[novemba]

agreed.

the best arguement to use if you get caught is 'just let me take it, who cares?'

[Guest]

It's so stupid they (the corporate stores) are so scared of shoplifters that they lock their garbage cans, where that shit is already on the way to a shithole.

[JustinG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 11:43 AM
I am curious to know peoples views on shoplifting. Contributing as little to the capitalist system is desirable and shoplifting is an easy way to feed yourself without working in a mindless job or supporting a multinational corporation. Personally I find it ethically justified to shoplift from a safeway. Now the question is what kind of things are ethical to steal and consume?

I am an scavenging omnivore. If meat is going to be thrown out, ill eat it to keep it from being wasted( if Im hungry at the time!) So if my mate is going to toss out half a hamburger or a couple slices of pizza, Ill eat it since its going to waste anyway. I would never *buy* a brand name candy bar, but they are so easy to shoplift that I grab handfuls whenver I want. Now heres the dilemma- If I can steal meat and candy that I would never buy because of moral reasons(supporting factory farming, etc.)can I consume these kinds of foods morally if I steal them? Does stealing and eating vegemite support the bastard corporation that owns it? Or are you softies against stealing period?
Read "Steal This Book" By Abbie Hoffman

Stealing food is easy. If you want a lot, tell them your from a local church or organization. You'll get a large mass of food.


Another idea is to convince the worker at the store that they should let you take from the store. Essentally, they've got nothing to loose-- so convince them that they're getting fucked, and you'll have plenty-o free stuffs


happy hunting

[Clarksist]

Read "Steal This Book" By Abbie Hoffman

Stealing food is easy. If you want a lot, tell them your from a local church or organization. You'll get a large mass of food.


That is my bible.

However, since that book has been written, many stores have really pushed security measures, and some techniques do NOT work.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 06:06 AM
Shoplifting is wrong. The only people who suffer are the people who work for the companiesand the other customers, when wages are dropped and prices are increased to retain the profit margin.
Coporate supermarket chains are paid by the government the amount of money they expect to lose from theft.

Therefore, not shoplifting is giving the corporations free money.

It is our obligation to steal. :)

[KC]

Even if the worker's wages go down, that will just give them more reason to quit and find a better job. Thus more damage is done to the company. So that isn't bad.

[dso79]

And shoplifting things that you wouldnt normally buy and consuming them is just fine; you're making the establishment you stole them from lose money and forcing them to up their prices to counter it.

That means that in the end, honest working class people will suffer most because of this behaviour, not the big corporations.

[plokhoe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:22 PM
That means that in the end, honest working class people will suffer most because of this behaviour, not the big corporations.
no bcoz if their wages go down they'll probably go on strike so damage is done to the big corporations

[KC]

That means that in the end, honest working class people will suffer most because of this behaviour, not the big corporations.

Yes, they will strike, they will quit and find better jobs, they might even start stealing themselves!

[Clarksist]

Coporate supermarket chains are paid by the government the amount of money they expect to lose from theft.


Holy shit, I had no idea. I need to steal something really bad right now.


Yes, they will strike, they will quit and find better jobs, they might even start stealing themselves!


Is the revolution starting in the pockets of the poor, unethical, and young?

Perhaps.

[Guest]

[QUOTE]Is the revolution starting in the pockets of the poor, unethical, and young?

Stealing is not unethical. You can have a rational system of ethics that totally allows you to steal. If you dont want to work in a soul-destroying job that makes some rich asshole richer and you dont want to buy shit that contributes to the capitalist system and makes another asshole richer; than stealing from massive multinational corporations that contribute to environmental and spiritual destruction like safeway is ok. Ideally a person could take part in say a permaculture co-op to get food, but if you live in a city thats reallly hard. And if you want to put your energy in productive channels instead of making 7 bucks an hour so you can eat, then shoplifting, dumspter diving and squatting are the way forward.

In fact, I believe its unethical to have a wage slave job and buy food at stores like safeway.

[comradesteele]

i would steal but i'm a pussey to put it bluntly. however i have a job in a small food shop and i can see how easy it isd to steal.

[Jesus Christ!]

To quote my brother " Anything in Stop N Shop is free if you have enough confidence". Him and his friends go in and just take food off the shelves and start eating it as if they had brought it in themselves. If anyone questions them they coul dalways say they brought it in or already paid for it. It really isn't that hard to steal froma huge grocery store like that. If you're to afraid to do that just go in the dumpstters they throw out plenty of good stuff just to re-stock with fresher stuff.

[novemba]

That's good to hear. I'm movin up to NY and there are a LOT of stop 'n' shops up there.

PS - The second you get overly confident is the second you get caught.

[Clarksist]

Stealing is not unethical.


Taking things too seriously man.

All I'm saying is that you aren't "supposed" to steal. (notice quotation marks)


If anyone questions them they coul dalways say they brought it in or already paid for it


I do that in Wal-Mart all the time. I go there, open up a bag of pretzels and start eating them.

Sometimes people stop me and I just say, "Oh, well I came in with these, do you want me to throw em away?"

And then they just let me keep eating.

Tools.

[plokhoe]

i found this article
http://www.crimethinc.com/library/english/shoplifting.html

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:04 PM
Stealing isn’t rebellious, it’s criminal and it‘s not gonna bring down the capitalist system. Most thieves steal because they are lazy/greedy fuckers, not because they want to change the world for the better.

But what is crime? Your statement about shoplifters is judgemental and ignorant. People steal for a variety of reasons. Sure one person stealing will not bring down the system, but shoplifting is an act of resistance.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 02:52 PM
Even if the worker's wages go down, that will just give them more reason to quit and find a better job. Thus more damage is done to the company. So that isn't bad.
Your an arse. Actually your all arses.

Im sure that if a worker could quit his/her job and find a better one so easily, they would do it.

[plokhoe]

sometimes people don't have the confidence and need a push

[KC]

Im sure that if a worker could quit his/her job and find a better one so easily, they would do it.



Maybe the wages were decent before they went down? Maybe the worker didn't care before? In anycase, now he will. And it's not hard to find a better job than gas station attendant, or grocery store worker.

[dso79]

But what is crime? Your statement about shoplifters is judgemental and ignorant. People steal for a variety of reasons.

Yes, that’s true, and if some starving homeless guy would steal a loaf of bread in order to keep himself alive, I wouldn’t really have a problem with that. However, I don’t think the people who posted in this thread need to steal in order to survive.


Sure one person stealing will not bring down the system, but shoplifting is an act of resistance.

I would only consider shoplifting an act of resistance if someone would do it with the intention of bringing down the system. But I just don’t believe that’s the intention of most shoplifters; it’s usually just a weak excuse to justify their behaviour. If it damages the system in any way, that’s merely a side effect.

[Djehuti]

Shoplifters of the world, unite and take over!
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There is a previous thread on the subject, it might be good to check it out:
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...topic=28056&hl= (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=28056&hl=)

[bombeverything]

Yes, that’s true, and if some starving homeless guy would steal a loaf of bread in order to keep himself alive, I wouldn’t really have a problem with that. However, I don’t think the people who posted in this thread need to steal in order to survive.

No. But we still have to buy things.


I would only consider shoplifting an act of resistance if someone would do it with the intention of bringing down the system. But I just don’t believe that’s the intention of most shoplifters; it’s usually just a weak excuse to justify their behaviour. If it damages the system in any way, that’s merely a side effect.

If they are aware of capitalism and use that as an "excuse", should we not be glad that they are at least conscious of the exploitative nature of the system? You seem to believe that the behaviour needs to be justified, as if all "criminal" acts are somehow immoral.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 11:30 PM
sometimes people don't have the confidence and need a push
Oh and if there is alot of a shoplifting going on and their wages go down that will think

1) Shoplifters are just petty criminals and are making my life difficult.

Or the fantasy.

2) Capitalims sucks, my works sucks, god bless the shoplifter and his ways that have shown me the light, i owe all to the sweety angsty pseudo leftist teenagers.


Maybe the wages were decent before they went down? Maybe the worker didn't care before? In anycase, now he will.

No s/he wont, they will just think you are petty.


And it's not hard to find a better job than gas station attendant, or grocery store worker

You are so naive, what are you 12, probally middle class, don't have to work? You just exposed how disconected you are from reality, and the working class. Maybe when you grow up and can get a bit of money, so you can save your mum having to pay for everything.

If it was that easy then why would they be working there to start with?

I know many people that must work and they have been trying to find a decent job, but it is just to hard. Eventually they will find a better job, but for the time being they need that job as a steping stone.

Besides many people working in thoose places are younger people who can only work causual due to study. So that is the best job for them.


it’s usually just a weak excuse to justify their behaviour.

Exactly, why don't you people cut the crap and just admit you steal because you want free shit?

[KC]

You are so naive, what are you 12, probally middle class, don't have to work? You just exposed how disconected you are from reality, and the working class. Maybe when you grow up and can get a bit of money, so you can save your mum having to pay for everything.

If it was that easy then why would they be working there to start with?

I know many people that must work and they have been trying to find a decent job, but it is just to hard. Eventually they will find a better job, but for the time being they need that job as a steping stone.

I exposed no such thing. As I know how difficult is to find a good job (I spent half my summer trying to find one), I also know how easy it is to give up and settle for less than I should. And that is why most people work at these places; because they settle for it. And I think we got off on a tangent here. The reason shoplifting is good is because it damages the COMPANY. If it hurts the workers and they quit and go elsewhere, that's damaging to the COMPANY.

[black magick hustla]

Man, many of you are such assholes.

Hiero is right, there is nothing good about shoplifting. You see, corporations dont give two shits about their workers, they would rather make their life more miserable than losing profit. Also, when you steal, workers are blamed for it.

I used to be a fucking idiot like that, but then I realized every justification for shoplifting is bullshit, unless you are starving.
.

[KC]

Hiero is right, there is nothing good about shoplifting. You see, corporations dont give two shits about their workers, they would rather make their life more miserable than losing profit. Also, when you steal, workers are blamed for it.


Corporations don't give a shit about their workers, you're right! And the worker will realize that when his wages are cut because of shoplifting or he is fired because someone else shoplifted. Class consciousness, anyone?

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 05:42 AM


Hiero is right, there is nothing good about shoplifting. You see, corporations dont give two shits about their workers, they would rather make their life more miserable than losing profit. Also, when you steal, workers are blamed for it.


Corporations don't give a shit about their workers, you're right! And the worker will realize that when his wages are cut because of shoplifting or he is fired because someone else shoplifted. Class consciousness, anyone?
That's crappy logic.

Its like saying WE SHOULD INSTIGATE CAPITALISTS TO BE HARSHER IN ORDER TO MAKE THE WORKERS SO MISERABLE SO THEY REBEL.

[KC]

Sure!

Either way, it's going to happen eventually. So why not have it happen sooner than later? See the CAFTA thread.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 09:26 PM

Shoplifting is wrong. The only people who suffer are the people who work for the companiesand the other customers, when wages are dropped and prices are increased to retain the profit margin.


But if everyone shoplifted, it would speed up revolution. Think about how rewarding it would be to run profiteering supermarkets out of town, and make way for organic and helpful food stores to prop up.

That seems like a good outcome. As for the workers, they could work at the "approved" markets.
You, my friend, need to lay of the acid.

[Che NJ]

Some of you people seem to think that the smallest things will lead to a large scale revolution. Shoplifting does not hurt the rich, but just helps them justify the firing of poor workers. Most companies will run their buisinesses on the least ammount of labor possible. They will do anything to keep making the money that they are already making. Petty things like shoplifting increase the prices of the goods you are shoplifting and makes it harder for the poorer workers to afford food. And if they all started shoplifting, then the companies might go out of buisiness, and i don't think any of us can just walk into the back yard and grow our year's food supply.

Whether we like it or not, all industrialized nations rely on agribuisiness and if we want to purge the world of these monsters, we will need to do it through reforms. If we just destroy agribuisiness in a day, we will have trouble getting food for some time.

[Che NJ]

and winnona should be in prison just for having as much money as she does!

[Clarksist]

You, my friend, need to lay of the acid.


Or perhaps you, need to take on the acid.

As you did not realized I was merely joking at the idea that shoplifting is means for revolution.


They will do anything to keep making the money that they are already making. Petty things like shoplifting increase the prices of the goods you are shoplifting and makes it harder for the poorer workers to afford food. And if they all started shoplifting, then the companies might go out of buisiness, and i don't think any of us can just walk into the back yard and grow our year's food supply.


Exactly, capitalism is EXTREMELY fragile. And can be crushed very easily if a large enough group did something about it.

That's why I support shoplifting, however, I do NOT believe its basis for "revolution".

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 06:38 PM
Sure!

Either way, it's going to happen eventually. So why not have it happen sooner than later? See the CAFTA thread.
Well, I can't debate with you if you think that isnt crappy logic :(-

[Commie Rat]

fucking securtiy camerers everywhere here <_<

[Social Greenman]

Capitalist steal worker&#39;s labor power to make profits. Stealing food does not hurt the capitalist but it is stealing from the labor power of other workers. Capitalist are insured against shoplifting and since it is done so often the price of commodities/necessities rise but the wage of workers do not. In fact, workers end up with less buying power from their wages while the capitalist profit margins increase.

[bed_of_nails]

I hate people who shoplift from tiny Mom and Pop&#39;s stores. You are not a friend of the people, you are an enemy of the people and I will not hesitate to take your ass down if I see it. You are living at the expense of other people.

I worked in a shop like this. We were lucky if we sold 100 dollars worth of merchandise in a day. Dont fuck with these shops, or you are just a pop-culture anarchist fucking with people who are barely surviving.

With big chains of clothing you can shoplift all you want and it wont hurt them at all. All of the store has an average item value, and the prices of all items are automatically adjusted so that the normal selling amounts compensate for all recorded shoplifting.

These companies keep very good records of what dissapears and adjust the prices accordingly.

[DaCuBaN]

Steal if you want... If I saw you doing it, irregardless of the target, I wouldn&#39;t grass you... but you can be damn sure I&#39;d follow you straight out that shop, round the corner and put my foot up your ass.

Stealing can be considered rebellious, but it&#39;s certainly not going to cause a revolution (anytime soon). All you&#39;re going to do is get yourself caught, and although that might not be daunting to you, some more timid individuals will see your punishment as as good a reason as any to go running back into their hole.

The revolution is not fought with guns, but with minds: Until we can show people that we hope and think we can live different, less destructive and more egalitarian lifestyles and persuade them to join us, we are all up shit creek. Stealing - even from the least ethical of establishments - merely ferments the anti-left sentiment held by many that we&#39;re all lazy, good-for-nothing, tea-leafing stoners and drives the "bread and butter" of any communist revolution - the proletariat - further and further from our emancipation. If selling your soul irks you so much that you&#39;d rather take than be egalitarian and share then go rot in the gutter. If you change your mind, I&#39;ve got a big pot of stovies on the cooker - you are always more than welcome for a bed, a meal and a wash, and all I ask in return is that you go out, break your back for your bread like the rest of us, and still move for the revolution.

Shit, I am a lazy good-for-nothing stoner, and if I can manage that, anyone can.

[apathy maybe]

Back to the topic of the thread. That of meat. If you aren&#39;t a vegetarian (I&#39;m not), then I see nothing wrong with eating meat. However, I have given the topic some thought. The shop is not going to cut back on the amount of meat the purchase, they may even increase the amount, simply &#39;cause you&#39;re flogging the meat. This shouldn&#39;t matter to someone who doesn&#39;t give a shit about animals, but to those not vegetarian who do (like me) it should give make you pause for thought. If the meat is from animals that have lead horrible lives, been factory farmed etc. then you shouldn&#39;t flog it. The same with eggs from caged hens.

However, I don&#39;t have any problem with shoplifting "ethical" products from major shops or supermarkets.

[Social Greenman]

However, I don&#39;t have any problem with shoplifting "ethical" products from major shops or supermarkets.

Like I said, shoplifting does no harm to the capitalist class whatsoever since they are insured. The more that is shoplifted the more the cost of replacing the product is added on to other foodstuffs. Those who feel the pinch of price increases is the working class. Those of us who are not petty thieves.

[Questionauthority]

Shows who the crimethinc kiddes of the site are...

I agree with what Hiero is saying, how many of these so called "shop lifters" in this thread have held down a job....if you are working at a shop and someone is shop lifting they are being scum, simple as. This noble "oh look at me I&#39;m an anti capitalist cos I nicked a chocolate bar from my local newsagent" is such a load of BS, you are merley contributing to fucking over the worker, who will maybe suffer a lower slary cos of your little "revolutionary" act....

Grow up, shop lifting is petty and does nothing for class struggle.

[BitchBrew]

Well I think it&#39;s ok if you steel from the major chains or coorporations, but don&#39;t steal from the self employed small shops. If you go to Mc Donalds and put some of your hair in a left over burger you se, walk to the disk an tell that you found a piece of hair in the food you orderd they will give you a knew burger for instance, thats ok, but don&#39;t steel from Abduls little tobaco shop, he is just trying to survive like any body else.

[TheReadMenace]

The workers don&#39;t necessarily get fucked over.

I work at pizza hut, and in two weeks I stole 30 bottles of soda, at least 10 things of breadsticks, and made a bunch of extra pizzas that I took home with me. Our wages stay the same, and I just recently got a raise (all right, &#036;5.30/hr&#33;&#33;&#33;).

So all the stuff about workers getting fucked over - that&#39;s not too true, unless you&#39;re referring to massive boycotts on companies that workers aren&#39;t striking in.

But yeah, don&#39;t steal from local shops. Only big corporations. I support all the Wal-Mart looters out there&#33;

And someone accused us of being greedy kids that live with our parents: *****, I fuckin&#39; squat. I don&#39;t have a home, and it took me all summer to get a job. Libraries are my home (internet), local all-night diners are my best friends. So tell me I&#39;m being one of those kids whose parents pay for everything. That&#39;s bs, man, sorry.

It isn&#39;t so much about &#39;fighting capitalism&#39; - though that is a fair part - so much as it is the acknowledgement that life shouldn&#39;t be about production and consumption, the denegration of humanity to a fucking profit, the reduction of a life taken from you to a commodity that you have to buy back. That&#39;s what shoplifting is - it&#39;s taking back what you fucking earned.

Andrew

[Led Zeppelin]

Shoplifting is neither wrong nor right, it&#39;s stupid.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Shoplifiting gets you free stuff when you get away with it. Who doesn&#39;t like free stuff? Large companies are actually expected to lose quite a bit to theft by customers and employees, so I hardly think that packet of twiglets you have under your jumper is going to cause massive pay cuts across the board.

Don&#39;t be afraid to give yourself the occasional 5-fingered discount.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 09:47 PM
Shoplifiting gets you free stuff when you get away with it. Who doesn&#39;t like free stuff? Large companies are actually expected to lose quite a bit to theft by customers and employees, so I hardly think that packet of twiglets you have under your jumper is going to cause massive pay cuts across the board.

Don&#39;t be afraid to give yourself the occasional 5-fingered discount.
True but it is no way revolutionary. It is just theft.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Hiero+Aug 20 2005, 11:29 AM--> (Hiero @ Aug 20 2005, 11:29 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 09:47 PM
Shoplifiting gets you free stuff when you get away with it. Who doesn&#39;t like free stuff? Large companies are actually expected to lose quite a bit to theft by customers and employees, so I hardly think that packet of twiglets you have under your jumper is going to cause massive pay cuts across the board.

Don&#39;t be afraid to give yourself the occasional 5-fingered discount.
True but it is no way revolutionary. It is just theft. [/b]
I&#39;m not claiming it is. I&#39;m just saying it&#39;s not wrong in our current society.

[guerillablack]

How is shoplifting revolutionary? It&#39;s not. You want to persuade yourself that it is, by all means do it. But don&#39;t try to bring your illusions here.

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 11:32 AM
Shows who the crimethinc kiddes of the site are...
I agree with what Hiero is saying, how many of these so called "shop lifters" in this thread have held down a job....if you are working at a shop and someone is shop lifting they are being scum, simple as. This noble "oh look at me I&#39;m an anti capitalist cos I nicked a chocolate bar from my local newsagent" is such a load of BS, you are merley contributing to fucking over the worker, who will maybe suffer a lower slary cos of your little "revolutionary" act....

Grow up, shop lifting is petty and does nothing for class struggle.

Shoplifting is a legitimate act of rebellion. How does stealing from your boss make you "scum"? Please elaborate on this. Your boss is stealing from you every time you go to work. There is nothing wrong with getting your own back every now and then.

[Outinleftfield]

Theoretically if enough people shoplifted you could put anyone out of business even Wall Mart. If enough people are shoplifting and it cuts enough into profits for say Wall Mart in a small town it could effect whether they decide to continue business there.

An individual act by itself might not have that effect but individuals socialize and they influence other individuals. Someone else who might not have shoplifted there who has a friend who talks about how shoplifting from giant monopolistic corporations can eventual lead them out of their area and how if enough people everywhere did this it could even put them out of business might then shoplift when otherwise they wouldn't have. An individual can have a ripple effect.

[Invincible Summer]

Why did you revive a 5-year old thread??

[Outinleftfield]

Why did you revive a 5-year old thread??

Oops.

LOL.

I didn't notice it was 5 years old. I had stumbled upon this in google and was still logged in.

Sorry.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

And locked.