Do you believe in heaven or an afterlife?

[which doctor]

I believe in heaven or some form of reincarnation because without them what else would there be?

[Xvall]

Lame choices. When you die, you go to a plane of eternal nothingness, which at the same time will seem to encompass everything. That will be my new age and I shall be at the front. You will all know who I am.

[which doctor]

is there a difference between eternal nothingness and eternal darkness?

[Led Zeppelin]

I voted "none of the above", when we die we cease to exist, you cannot "think about it".

[MoscowFarewell]

I voted for the bottom one. There is a paradise for everyone and those who don't make it, reincarnated.

[LSD]

I believe in heaven or some form of reincarnation because without them what else would there be?

Reality.

[Xvall]

is there a difference between eternal nothingness and eternal darkness?

Eternal Darkness implies that you are there, but "can't see anything", which would just be odd and pointless.

Nothingness implies that there is.. well.. nothing. You won't think or percieve because you do not posess a human mind. When it boils down to it, "you" won't even exist. Your ego will shatter and "you" will merge with everything that is "not you". You will probably dream for all eternity.

[violencia.Proletariat]

i think when i die, i wont know it. you wont know anything, you wont be aware of anything, because your dead. where were you before you were born, if you belive in an afterlife?

[Thomas]

You cease to exist, you rot, you mold back into the Earth.

We pay for life with death, everything inbetween should be free.

[Ian]

Heaven is for nerds.

Being an atheist I don't believe in heaven

[Xvall]

Yeah. If people like "Jesus" and "God" are in heaven, I think I'd rather just burn in hell.

[KC]

Consciousness is contained in the brain. The brain shuts down when you die. Consciousness is destroyed. "You" will cease to be. You (i.e. your consciousness) goes nowhere; it is destroyed. This is something that the human mind can't comprehend (since I haven't experienced death and since nobody has and been able to tell anyone about it then I can't begin to comprehend it). Heaven, reincarnation, etc... are all attempts at making death "comprehendable". Since death is incomprehensible to the human mind, these are false.

[Xvall]

Entirely true.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Sometimes I believe in it, simply because I am scared of nothing after death. I want life afterdeath.

[Xvall]

Can't always get what you wish for, buddy.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 25 2005, 07:45 PM
Can't always get what you wish for, buddy.
I have figured that out in the past.... :lol:

[pedro san pedro]

nothing, oh sweet nothing. after death we'll be doing nothing at all.... lalalalalala wowowowowooo

[Xvall]

Komm Susser Tod.

[Postteen]

nothing.But then, I don't think we can deeply understand the term nothing..I agree with Lazar.

[Ian]

Passing away into nothing would sure as hell beat living forever.

[RedAnarchist]

Is the mind physical? If not, what happens to it after death?

I myself seriously doubt that anything happens after death. We have a life to live, not a death to live.

[Black Dagger]

Passing away into nothing would sure as hell beat living forever.

Not necessarily. If you were unable to die 'naturally', but instead could only be killed by having your head chopped off, or a stake through the heart, ie. as a 'vampire' than you could live for a very long-time, but if you so desired, commit suicide. I would prefer that existence.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:21 AM
Passing away into nothing would sure as hell beat living forever.
I don't know... existing does have its benefits.

[Donnie]

Once you're dead you're dead, I don't believe you go off to a heaven or a hell. You die and you rot and you become part of the earth.

[which doctor]

Hmm... (http://www.near-death.com/)

This is just some website i found yesterday.

[Ele'ill]

You cease to exist, you rot, you mold back into the Earth.

We pay for life with death, everything inbetween should be free.


I enjoyed that.

We are the earth. This technological blasphemy that we've created is just an annoying screen to who we really are. We're all moss and bark. Nature is ancient.



Either that or we are an experiment being conducted by aliens that cross bred apes with themselves. We only see them when their cloaking devices malfunction.

If you think about it an attractivly person has a proportionate facial structure (usually).

The high cheekbones are desired in both sexes (usually not always)
Aliens have been reported to have large slanted eyes with high cheek bones.
Don't feel bad gawking at people you find attractive as i'd guess it's not just sex.
We're getting in touch with our roots.

[Lord Testicles]

when we die we cease to exist, you cannot "think about it".

ive often seen it like that. But it could be a sick joke by a higher entety :unsure:

[Publius]

Think back to before you were born, that's what death will be like.

It's my belief that at some time matter will reorganize to form 'me' or something close enough to 'me' to spark the same chemical reactions in my brain that make 'me' think I'm 'me', so so as long as there is an infinite amount of time, I will exist infinite amounts of times.

You're just a collection of matter, you will be reformed again if time is truly infinite.

Don't worry about it. It's inevietable.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 12:53 PM
Think back to before you were born, that's what death will be like.

It's my belief that at some time matter will reorganize to form 'me' or something close enough to 'me' to spark the same chemical reactions in my brain that make 'me' think I'm 'me', so so as long as there is an infinite amount of time, I will exist infinite amounts of times.

You're just a collection of matter, you will be reformed again if time is truly infinite.

Don't worry about it. It's inevietable.
Hmm, an interesting theory but something always being possible doesn't make it inevitable...

[Publius]

Hmm, an interesting theory but something always being possible doesn't make it inevitable...

In a truly INFINITE span of time, everything that could happen will happen.

Actually, in a truly infinite span of time, it will happen an infinite amount of times.

Wait long enough and a Universe will exist where I make this post again.

[Redvolution]

And perhaps I'll follow up with this post again.

Being an agnostic I put "I dunno." And we never will! Until we die that is. Then we might still never know because in one scenario our brain will shut down and that's it. Thus we won't be able to comprehend we are dead and there is nothing afterwards. Hopefully that isn't the case!

But who knows? Not I, that's for sure.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:22 PM


Hmm, an interesting theory but something always being possible doesn't make it inevitable...

In a truly INFINITE span of time, everything that could happen will happen.

Actually, in a truly infinite span of time, it will happen an infinite amount of times.

Wait long enough and a Universe will exist where I make this post again.
So are you assuming the Universe will not expand forever?

[Publius]

So are you assuming the Universe will not expand forever?

There is likely more than one Universe.

At some point in it's expansion it will be nothing but single atoms spread around in space.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 01:54 PM
There is likely more than one Universe.
What do you conclude that from?


At some point in it's expansion it will be nothing but single atoms spread around in space.

I don't see why "dead" bodies of matter wouldn't still be on the fringe.

[Xvall]

I think Publius is right. Our perception, upon death, will seem infinite. It will also seem non-existant.

People I know personally who have died and been recessiated have had a hard time explaning what it was like being "dead", mainly because their ego had at that point dissolved and they were no longer witnessing what was going on with a human mindset.

Most of the people I know who "died" temporarily have stated that it was a very comfortable experience, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[Publius]

What do you conclude that from?

I can't really explain it.

I could try, but I'd confuse you.

Human language isn't advanced enough to convey what I'm trying to convey.

Basically, I don't think that 'nothing' can exist anywhere, so something has to exist 'everywhere'.

'Everywhere' being every single place something could possibly exist, i.e. Everywhere.

[Bannockburn]

There is a good chance, when we die, its complete annihilation of consciousness. No heaven, no hell, no Karma, no reincarnation. Nothing. There is no soul. There is no evolving principle, or life cycle. We have one life, this one – so do something about it.

My argument is simple: Consciousness is structured among a material brain. When there is death, the material structure of the brain decays and dissolves like any other material structure. Our bones for example. When our brains dissolves, there is no reason to believe anything would survive after that. Its like a river. The river is bound and structured up among channels and canals. If there is an earthquake, or a mountain would rise up and destroy those same channels or canals, the river simultaneously ceases to exist as well.

There is no difference. When you die, you're dead. You're on this planet once – make the most of it.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 01:50 AM
There is a good chance, when we die, its complete annihilation of consciousness. No heaven, no hell, no Karma, no reincarnation. Nothing. There is no soul. There is no evolving principle, or life cycle. We have one life, this one – so do something about it.

My argument is simple: Consciousness is structured among a material brain. When there is death, the material structure of the brain decays and dissolves like any other material structure. Our bones for example. When our brains dissolves, there is no reason to believe anything would survive after that. Its like a river. The river is bound and structured up among channels and canals. If there is an earthquake, or a mountain would rise up and destroy those same channels or canals, the river simultaneously ceases to exist as well.

There is no difference. When you die, you're dead. You're on this planet once – make the most of it.
I like the way you worded that whole thing. Poetry almost. It really made me think. A good explanation of life and the death that ends it.

I admit, I am scared of what will happen to me when I die, I don't want things to end.

[Bannockburn]

Well thank you for your compliment.



I admit, I am scared of what will happen to me when I die, I don't want things to end.

That is the main mechanism behind religion and the soul, or any other speculation after death. Fear its how they grip you, its the lines they feed you – don't believe their empty lies. Ignorance, fear, etc of what happens when we die is a great motivation to try to relieve that anxiety. Easiest way – create ever lasting life. Hey, it makes sense.

Just think when “life after death” occurred. Life was short, nasty and brutish. I would feel ripped if I only lived for a couple of years and my offspring didn't live past 3 minutes.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I've been in heaven many times, but not once have I seen anything special.

[Defyman]

I think that searching for what will happen after-death is going to become a pointless matter...Let me explain

From the dawn of civilization, man had some unanswered questions about the natural world and his/her moral behaviour.At this stage, man was too stupid to answer this questions, so he/she invented a metaphysical theoretic system called RELIGION to explain natural phenomena (like rain,snow,earthquake) and justify a specific code of
human relations (marriage,war etc).

As civilization evolves and man develops his logical-scientifical thinking some questions cease to exist because they're answered. So,the different religions have to evolve and change in order to answer other questions....

EXAMPLE:In the ancient greece there was Zeus, the god of lightning....(aha that's why there are lightnings...its because Zeus is pissed off). Sooner or later the greeks developed some theories (like the Democrecian atom theory) that could explain lightning with no help from any god...So that's when christianity appears.A more evolved religion that the only unanswered question it (sort of) explains, are the creation of the world,life after-death and also gives a moral behaviour dogma (sort of again) .
(Watch out........my example is not very strong as the reasons why ancient greek religion gave its position to christianity are more philosophical and historical. But it will help you understand what i'm saying)


Nowadays you can see how BIO-TECH develops and how it is applied in humans. It's scientifically estimated that in 50-80 years from now new-born humans will be able to live for 120-150 years......!!! They're bodies will be able to hang on till the age of 125 at least..BUT will people be MENTALLY able to live till these ages?? This is higly doubted...
My prediction is that in the future questions like life after-death will loose their meaning cause people will be able to live as much as they can (till they go crazy and
go suicide).


My opinion is that we should give up all kind of religion and focus on what happens here, on earth. I believe in peace,love,freedom and justice. I hope that when i die people will be left behind me and will strongly believe and fight for these ideals
wherever i may go...

[STI]

ive had about all i can muthafuckin take of this sheeat. any afterlife cheaopens this one and fuck it.

[which doctor]

I have no memory of creating this thread and frankly, I find it quite embarrassing.

[apathy maybe]

WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP BRINGING BACK TO LIFE DEAD THREADS. THREADS FROM 2005 ARE DEAD! IF YOU WISH TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC AGAIN, START A NEW THREAD!

Right, oh, and there is no heaven and hell, but sometimes I wish there was a hell for certain people.

[Sentinel]

Closed. Anyone feel free to start a new thread on the topic.