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refuse_resist
25th July 2005, 01:53
Tancredo won't back down
No apology for discussing retaliation on Muslim holy sites

By Mike Soraghan and Anne C. Mulkern
Denver Post Staff Writers

Washington - Rep. Tom Tancredo refused Monday to back down from his statement Friday suggesting that the United States might respond to a radical Islamic terrorist attack by bombing Muslim holy sites.

Muslim groups earlier Monday called on Tancredo to apologize and said they want to meet with the Colorado Republican.

"I'm not suggesting we do it. I have nothing to apologize for in that respect," Tancredo said. "I'm simply saying to have a good discussion on this issue, a thorough discussion on what is perhaps the most serious kind of possible situation we could face as a civilization, that you cannot simply take things off the table because they are uncomfortable to talk about."

Tancredo, a Littleton Republican, made the statement about bombing Muslim holy sites, including the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, on a Florida talk-radio show.

Besieged by reporters for the first time Monday as he unveiled an anti-amnesty immigration bill, Tancredo said the terrorism issue was a very tough one to deal with and that "tough things were said." He said he stood by his remarks.

The reference to bombing holy sites, he said, came up in a discussion about possible ways the U.S. could respond to nuclear strikes against its cities by terrorists.

"I simply throw that out there as something to think about, although it is horrendous to think about, I understand that," Tancredo said. "So is having one or more cities destroyed in the United States. And that's all I did."

Muslim leaders disagreed.

"When he makes such a statement he should have the courage to go back and apologize," said Rafaat Ludin, president of the Colorado Muslim Society, an organization that includes a mosque and represents 15,000 Muslims in the Denver area. "He is trying to provoke these terrorists who are making our lives miserable, here and across the world. How can you in your right mind call for something like that?"

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington, said, "People outside the United States will take this as representative of the United States. It makes the war on terror that much harder."

Asked Monday whether he was concerned about inflaming terrorists, Tancredo said, "You've got people telling us that they're going to bomb our cities and kill however many millions of people that they can. You're telling me there's something more hostile than that?"

Tancredo made the comments Friday in a conversation with talk-radio host Pat Campbell at WFLA in Orlando, Fla. They were discussing an article on the conservative Internet site WorldNetDaily that said Islamic terrorists have brought nuclear devices across the Mexican border, preparing for an attack on the interior U.S.

Asked how the United States might respond to such an attack, Tancredo said, "You could take out their holy sites."

Campbell said, "You're talking about

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bombing Mecca." Tancredo replied, "Yeah."

Tancredo is a member of the House International Relations Committee.

A fervent opponent of illegal immigration, he has begun an insurgent bid for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination that he says is designed to force a more serious candidate to take a hard-line stance on immigration.

Tancredo said he was not worried about the comments hurting his chance at the presidency.

"I'm not going to couch my words based upon some bizarre hope of, you know, running for president," he said.

Rafaat and Ludin said Colorado Muslims are seeking a meeting with Tancredo to discuss his comments. Tancredo spokesman Will Adams said he was not familiar with the request.

Staff writer Mike Soraghan can be reached at 202-662-8730 or [email protected]

Staff writer Anne C. Mulkern can be reached at 202-662-8907 or [email protected]

The following is a transcript of a portion of U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo's conversation with talk-radio host Pat Campbell on Friday:

Campbell: Worst-case scenario - if they do have these nukes inside the borders and they were to use something like that, what would our response be?

Tancredo: What would be the response? (pause) Um, you know, there are things you could threaten to do before something like that happens and you may have to do afterwards (unintelligible) draconian.

Campbell: Such as?

Tancredo: Well, what if you said something like, "If this happens in the United States and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims." You could take out their holy sites.

Campbell: You're talking about bombing Mecca?

Tancredo: Yeah. What if you said, "We recognize this is the ultimate threat to the United States, so this is the ultimate response." I'm just throwing out some ideas because you would be talking about taking the most draconian measures you could possibly imagine. Because other than that, all you could do is, once again, tighten up internally.

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Stellix
25th July 2005, 03:24
The sickest part is that actions such as that would have much support in the U.S.

Paradox
25th July 2005, 03:31
The sickest part is that actions such as that would have much support in the U.S.

Don't know about that, but something like 48% (was that the percentage?) in a poll had said civil liberties for Muslims should be restricted.

I think it would just trigger more attacks on the US and anyone who supports them, as has happened to Great Britain.

Not to mention it would totally piss off all the non-extremist Muslims who will see that the US is just lumping all Muslims together as terrorists.

It's just plain stupidity as usual.


Tancredo is a member of the House International Relations Committee.

Shit, if they followed up on ideas like his regularly, there'd be no other nations to have relations with! Just crazy.

piet11111
26th July 2005, 15:45
wouldn't it be funny if the reporter told him jerusalem was a holy city to islam and asked him why he wanted to nuke the israeli's for something terrorists are doing.

Andy Bowden
26th July 2005, 15:54
The fact that Saudi Arabia are an ally of the US's seems to have escaped the knowledge of this fuckwit - although whats really scary is I believe he is trying to put himself forward as the Presidential nominee for the Republican party - not a man I want with his finger on the trigger :blink:

Organic Revolution
26th July 2005, 17:49
this is really freightening news. for them to bomb a holy site, what if some other country bombed the papal states, it would be complete chaos and retalitory attacks, what is the US thinking.

piet11111
26th July 2005, 18:06
the dutch call his kind of politician populists because they talk the way the poeple want their politicians to be.
or atleasts what the politicians thinks the poeple want him to act like.

quite sad actually that poeple like him can find a platform to shout out their propaganda cough*fox*cough

also then you have these types of poeple

Paradox
26th July 2005, 19:49
Ann Coulter! Ha! What a dumbass! Yeah, I remember hearing about that quote. I also remember seeing her on Bill Mahr's show on HBO back before the Iraq War started. She said she knew why Saddam would step down and avoid a fight, and Bill Mahr was like "Really? Why will he?" And Coulter said "because he knows that he'll be tried as a war criminal." :lol: Everybody was laughing at her dumb neocon ass!

Intifada
26th July 2005, 20:00
Such a stupid action would succeed in uniting all Muslims against the US.

Organic Revolution
26th July 2005, 20:18
it will unite most people against the US

Intifada
26th July 2005, 20:20
True, though not all would be prepared to sacrifice their lives like a Muslim would.

YoUnG192
27th July 2005, 05:35
Im sorry this is not on topic but since I saw a pic of Ann Coulter in this post, I had to drop this in. http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

piet11111
27th July 2005, 22:31
well if the usa starts tossing nukes im sure that they will find their european allies to have more bite then they expect.

but the real qestion is howfar are these politicians willing to go to get their way.

bolshevik butcher
27th July 2005, 22:37
I think this is probably an empty threat. They said they'd do the same to the russians.

piet11111
27th July 2005, 23:14
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 27 2005, 09:37 PM
I think this is probably an empty threat. They said they'd do the same to the russians.
its not a threat its just tough talking to impress others so that the guy can get more support.

he will probably run for president or something and point at this statement when they ask him how hard he will be against terrorists.

Ownthink
27th July 2005, 23:27
Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 27 2005, 05:37 PM
I think this is probably an empty threat. They said they'd do the same to the russians.
Considering how we are at War with Iraq and that we have made a shitload of Muslim enemies all over the World, the future isn't looking too great.

piet11111
28th July 2005, 21:34
something i stumbled on when googling.

piet11111
28th July 2005, 21:36
ok my last funny cartoon about nukes promise.

Commandante_Ant
3rd August 2005, 22:14
that is really quite worrying. i mean, i knew the American politicians were pretty idiotic at times but that is unbelievable. What does the guy think that would do? Stop the war? It would become a WORLD war. The lucky thing really is that there really is no more treaties anymore like world war 2. Belgium invaded, france come in, germany declare war on france, britain frances ally pulled in, and the situation just kept on escalating. Madness is what we deal with from the American government. This is the government of the most powerful country in the world...do they fill you with hope and safety? No, me neither.

InDyingLight
4th August 2005, 09:11
Look at what the man said . All he said was that if they nuked us, we would have to consider nuking them back . Personally, I think Mecca should have been nuked 48 hours after the World Trade Towers were destroyed . I'm sorry if some of you non-Americans don't like that . . . actually, I'm not sorry . I hope you don't like it because you aren't going to do shit about it but shut up and stew in your rancor . That's your only option because your militaries (combined) are inferior .

For you Americans, face it . Pacifism only ever succeeds in getting people pacified . It's all fine and dandy to you that they want to attack us until your Starbuck's or McDonald's is getting shot up by Ahmed and Ali . You don't seem to understand the gravity of it . They want to rape our women and burn your villages . They don't care if you sympathize with them . They will put you to the sword just for having been born in America . You can read the Qur'an; you can pray 8 times a day; you can tar and feather yourself and quack like a duck . They still want to cut your head off like they did that poor Jewish boy .

In the immortal words of Benjamin Franklin (I'm paraphrasing .) : "We can all hang together, or we will all hang separately." .

h&s
4th August 2005, 10:38
Someone's about to get banned.....and hopefully run over by an 18-wheeler....