STALIN'S MAGNIFICENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS

[zendo]

Hello Comrades:

In this post I will display some of Comrade Stalin's most magnificent accomplishments. There is absolutely no doubt based on the statistics and raw FACTS that Stalin's great deeds far outweigh his bad deeds. I shall also prove that according to Lenin, Stalin was a true MARXIST in every sense of the word. And I will do so by directly quoting Lenin!

The Demonization of Stalin and Chairman Mao by the Western Imperialist Propaganda Machine never stops. The Wall St. Capitalists do all in their power to spread lies, misinformation and to try and rewrite history on the two greatest Marxist Leaders the world has ever known, Daddy Stalin and Chairman Mao!

Finally and most importantly, I want to say that the main reason I am writing this post is to have an idea of which individuals in this forum are learned Marxists and which people in here have been brainwashed by the capitallist misinformation and have not quite taken their time to research the facts.

Che Guevara admired Stalin so much so that he proclaimed Stalin as his sole inspiration for becoming a Communist and I quote Che directly "I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn't read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I'm not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good."


SOME OF STALIN"S INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS

1) THE INDUSTRIALIZATION OF THE USSR
Stalin Industrialized the most backward country in all of Europe. On February 4, 1931, Stalin explained why the country had to maintain the extremely rapid rate of industrialization and I quote Stalin "Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and lose its independence?

"We are fifty to a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do this or they crush us."

Stalin was 100 percent correct. In less than ten years the Nazis invaded. Were it not for the industrial revolution, Russia would have been crushed.

2)STALIN DOUBLED LIFE EXPECTANCY

Year USSR deaths per 1000
1913________ 30.2
1940________ 18.3
1950________ 9.6
1953________ 9.0
1956________ 7.5

Year USA deaths per 1000
1913_______ 13.2
1940_______ 10.8
1950_______ 9.6
1953_______ 9.6
1956_______ 9.4


Year USSR infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 273
1940_______ 184
1950_______ 81
1953_______ 68
1956_______ 47

Year USA infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 99.9
1940_______ 47.0
1950_______ 29.2
1953_______ 27.8
1956_______ 26.0


The raw STATISTICS do not lie! Do a google, go to a library and see for yourself. Stalin Doubled Life Expectancy because he implemented universal healthcare for everyone. Stalin ordered the construction of thousands of hospitals, clinics, etc. Healthcare was one of Stalin's main concerns.


3)STALIN ELECTRIFIED THE ENTIRE COUNTRY
Lenin said and I quote "Communism is Soviet Power plus the electrification of the entire country"

Lenin, Our Foreign and Domestic Position and the Tasks of the Party. Works, vol. 31, p. 419.

With this viewpoint, in 1920 Lenin proposed a general plan of electrification that foresaw, over the next fifteen years, the construction of 30 electrical power plants generating 1.75 million kW. But, thanks to the will and tenacity of Stalin and the leadership of the Bolshevik Party, in 1935, the Soviet Union had a generating capacity of 4.07 million kW. Lenin's ambitious dream had been surpassed by 133 per cent by Stalin!

Stalin fulfilled Lenin's wishes entirely!! Stalin had consolidated Soviet Power, he established the Dictatorship of the Proliterate, plus he electrified the entire country!!


4)THE USSR UNDER STALIN'S LEADERSHIP DEFEATED THE NAZIS!!!

Stalin lead the Soviets in World War II, the USSR by itself defeated more than 85 Percent of the Nazi forces before the US and Britain opened up the western front in 1944. And when I say the Nazi forces this includes Italy, Romania, Hungary and of course the German forces.


I have just posted some of Stalin's most imporatant accomplishments. I have also proved by quoting Lenin directly, that Stalin fulfilled Lenin's wishes by consolidating Soviet Power, establishing the Dictatorship of the Proliterate and by accomplishing the electrification of the whole country.

I have so much more information on this very important topic. It is sad that the western capitalist propaganda machine has divided the Marxist movement of the world by demonizing Stalin and Mao, the two greatest Marxist leaders the world has ever known!

[Organic Revolution]

Stalin was a true MARXIST in every sense of the word.

so marxism is totalitarianism, murder and deciet?


two greatest Marxist Leaders the world has ever known, Daddy Stalin and Chairman Mao!

hero worship anyone?



brainwashed by the capitallist misinformation and have not quite taken their time to research the facts.

or is it you who are brainwashed by misinformation? do you really believe that stalin was so great, when he murdered millions?

"I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn't read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I'm not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good."


che also said"There is no other valid definition of socialism to us, but to abolish the exploitation of man by man." but stalin exploted all of his citizens. also i dont think che said 'daddy stalin'


2)STALIN DOUBLED LIFE EXPECTANCY

Year USSR deaths per 1000
1913________ 30.2
1940________ 18.3
1950________ 9.6
1953________ 9.0
1956________ 7.5

Year USA deaths per 1000
1913_______ 13.2
1940_______ 10.8
1950_______ 9.6
1953_______ 9.6
1956_______ 9.4


Year USSR infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 273
1940_______ 184
1950_______ 81
1953_______ 68
1956_______ 47

Year USA infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 99.9
1940_______ 47.0
1950_______ 29.2
1953_______ 27.8
1956_______ 26.0

looks like misinformation to me.



4)THE USSR UNDER STALIN'S LEADERSHIP DEFEATED THE NAZIS!!!

did stalin ever fire ONCE at a moning nazi, not execution style?

[Organic Revolution]

see the crimes of stalin (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=5200)

[zendo]

RISE UP

Care to put your money where your mouth is??

I have given you statistics and direct QUOTES.

Your post is baseless, with absolutely nothing to back up your silly claim. and YEs CHE called him DADDY STALIN

also THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF ZERO, ZILCH, NADA THAT STALIN KILLED MILLIONS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE

THAT IS MORE CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA AND LIES TO DEMONIZE SOCIALIST LEADERS

RISE UP YOURE the typical Media Zombie

Rise Up I bet youre still waiting for those WMDS to be found in IRAQ :lol:

[YKTMX]

Dear dear.

Firstly, I can't believe - well, maybe I can - that Stalinists are still holding to the line that it's only capitalists or liberals who opposed Stalinism. The fact is that generations of socialist activists and theorists have opposed Stalin and all he stood for since the 30's. In fact, quite contrary to the wet dreams of Zendo, capitalists never really had a problem with Stalin or Stalinism. Yes, they opposed the reconstitution of the Russian empire, but Stalin and his brutal "socialism" were quite convenient. It opened the door for decades of "here's where revolution ends" lectures from ruling class politicians. There was always a fundemantal agreement between Western and Stalinist rulers - the USSR is socialist. The Russian bureaucrats wanted to show that barbarism was socialism, and the Western Ruling classes wanted us to see that socialism was barbaric.

As for the "accomplishments" of Stalin, this is a typical bourgeois attitude to history. As 'Rise Up' noted, Stalin never killed any German soldier, or built any machines, or ploughed any land. He did, however, like all capitalist dictators, live off the genuine blood, sweat and toil of the people he oppressed.

Stalin murdered the possibility of socialism in the 21st century. His counter revolution led not only to the horror of the forced collectivizations and the Moscow show trials but also, ultimately, to the defeat of the Spanish republic, the crushing of revolutionary socialist movements in Eastern Europe and the spread of his perversion of Marxism across the globe.

Him and is followers have nothing to say. They are the symbols and the proponents of an ideology which stood against everything we stand for.

Lots of people are dead: but no one is more dead than Stalin.

[bolshevik butcher]

You know who was a big fan of stalin in britain? The daily mail! And i suppose all us trots and anarchists are capitalists?

[The_Arowak_Indian]

looks like misinformation to me.

If you think it's misinformation then proof it!

And if Stalin exploited the people of the SU, why did most of the people resist the Nazi invaders? The soldiers could have escaped when the Nazi's where defeated!
But they all went back to the USSR.

And every society form educates there people according to there own vieuw on wich the ideology the society is based on. That;s how people work.

Some people say you must'n influence people but to exlain there point of vieuw they also influence people, cause either the people agree or thet dont' but they clould only make that choice after hearing it. So what's brainwashing??

[YKTMX]

And if Stalin exploited the people of the SU, why did most of the people resist the Nazi invaders? The soldiers could have escaped when the Nazi's where defeated!
But they all went back to the USSR.

People tend to react unfavourably to invasion by fascist states - particuarly if they are being shot if they don't fight. In any case, the reason Stalin became so rabidly nationalist in the course of the war was because he knew that appealing to Great Russian Chauvinism would probably be more useful than appealing for the workers to defend his "socialism".

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:41 PM
And if Stalin exploited the people of the SU, why did most of the people resist the Nazi invaders?
The Nazis were viewed as liberators by many of the Russian people when they first invaded. The only reason they resisted was because the Nazis were treating them so brutally.

[bolshevik butcher]

The nazis gained lots of support in the ukraine for example, and in other areas it was thought better to have a homegrown dictator than hitler!

[The_Arowak_Indian]

Only a vieuw hundred or thousand collabarated. Millions thought the nazi;s.

Al least one million ukrainers resist the invaders. The ukrainers who where nazi;s al lived at first in Poland. They where not Sovjets.

And the nationlims move was a tactic to mobilise the nationlaist als to resist, otherwise they probably would not fight if they would only mobilise communist.

And i once heard a jewish girl from Hungarian Jewish orgin in a speach saying if Hitler had never lived i still wouls have had my entire family, most of them where gassed in Auschwitz, if Stalin would not have lived i wouldn't be here.

That says alot i think.

[spartafc]

I want to try and advance a reply in the spirit of Trotsky and his tradition.

1/2) Trotskyists defend the advances made in Russia - we defend the limited progression that was possible under the deformed workers state. The industrial advances are of course commendable, and show the advances that even the vestiges of a planned economy can have. Though these advances are a warped reflection of the possibility of socialism - coming as they did, at a great human cost with little democracy. This isn't Socialism and it certainly isn't in the tradition of Lenin.

3) The idea that Stalin is Lenin's successor on the basis of them both wanting to build power stations is amusing. I'm not sure if I need to reply to this.

4) Stalin helped aid the rise of Nazi's in Germany with the disastrous policy of Social Fascism in Germany. The Communist Party of Germany was told to shun any 'united front' with "social fascist" social democratic formations. Meanwhile Hitler, said to pose no threat, swept to power. After 1933 the Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were both banned, trade unionism abolished and parliamentary democracy ended. Concentration camps awaited communists and social democrats alike.

[NovelGentry]

Actually, Stalin didn't do any of that stuff, the workers did. Stalin just told them what to do and has, through the abstraction of his state capitalist supporters, gained the credit for it.

[zendo]

[B]I have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I won’t rest until I see these capitalist octopuses annihilated. - Ernesto 'Che' Guevara de la Serna

[The_Arowak_Indian]

Viva El Commandente :che:

[NovelGentry]

I have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I won’t rest until I see these capitalist octopuses annihilated. - Ernesto 'Che' Guevara de la Serna

This is supposed to be an argument? :lol:

Do you presume that if I will not bow down and worship Stalin as you do that I will bow down and worship Che and because he was willing to "swear before a picture of Stalin" that I will take up this meaningless superstition? Swearing before a picture of anyone, no matter who it is, is rather pointless to begin with, this statement changes nothing and only further fortifies my point. You are so blinded by the idiocy of your worship that you will take the developments of the people of the USSR and all the turmoil they went through in order to achieve what they did and credit that to a single man who merely commanded them as any capitalist boss would command his laborers.

[spartafc]

For the Stalinists on this website any historical facts which don't align with a warped view of the Soviet Union are simply ignored. Historical facts documented by socialists or communists that aren't Stalin-friendly are reduced to "CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA".

[zendo]

THE GREATEST FRIENDSHIP!!! MAO PAYS HIS RESPECT TO STALIN

Comrade Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, the greatest genius of the present age, the great teacher of the world Communist movement, and the comrade-in-arms of the immortal Lenin, has departed from the world.

Comrade Stalin's contribution to our era through his theoretical activities and practice is incalculable. Comrade Stalin represented our entire new age. His activities have let the Soviet people and the working people of all countries to turn around the whole world situation. That is to say, the cause of justice and of People's Democracy and socialism has achieved victory in an immense region of the world, a region embracing more than 800 million people — one third of the earth's population. Moreover, the influence of this victory is daily spreading to every corner of the world.

The death of Comrade Stalin has caused the laboring people of the whole world to feel unparalleled and profound grief; it has stirred the hearts of just people throughout the world. This demonstrates that Comrade Stalin's cause and his thought have gripped the broad masses of the people throughout the world and have already become an invincible force, a force that will guide those people who have already achieved victory in achieving still more fresh victories, one after another, and, at the same time, will guide all those people who are still groaning under the oppression of the evil old world of capitalism so that they can strike courageously at the enemies of the people.

After the death of Lenin, Comrade Stalin led the Soviet people in building into a magnificent socialist society the first socialist state in the world, which he, together with the great Lenin, created at the time of the October Revolution. The victory of socialist construction in the Soviet Union was not only a victory for the people of the Soviet Union, but also a common victory for the people of the whole world. First, this victory proved in the most real ( live terms the infinite correctness of Marxism-Leninism and concretely educated working people through out the world on how they should advance toward a good life. Second, this victory ensured that during the Second World War humanity would have the strength to defeat the Fascist beast. The achievement of victory in the anti-Fascist war, and the glory for these victories should be attributed to our great Comrade Stalin.

Comrade Stalin developed Marxist-Leninist theory in a comprehensive and epoch-making way and propelled the development of Marxism to a new stage. Comrade Stalin creatively developed Lenin's theory concerning the law of the uneven development of capitalism and the theory that it is possible for socialism to first achieve victory in one country; Comrade Stalin creatively contributed the theory of the general crisis of the capitalist system.; he contributed the theory concerning the building of communism in the Soviet Union; he contributed the theory of the fundamental economic laws of present-day capitalism and of socialism; he contributed the theory of revolution in colonies and semi-colonies. Comrade Stalin also creatively developed Lenin's theory of party building. All these creative theories of Comrade Stalin's further united the workers throughout the world, further united the oppressed classes and oppressed people throughout the world, thereby enabling the struggle of the world's working class and all oppressed people for liberation and well-being and the victories in this struggle to reach unprecedented proportions.

All of Comrade Stalin's writing are immortal documents of Marxism. His works, The Foundations of Leninism, The History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union [Bolshevik], and his last great work, Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR, constitute an encyclopedia of Marxism-Leninism, a synthesis of the experience of the world Communist movement of the past hundred years. His speech at the Nineteenth Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is a precious last testament bequeathed to the Communists of all the countries of the world. We Chinese Communists, like the Communists of all countries, search for our own road to victory in the great works of Comrade Stalin.

Since the death of Lenin, Comrade Stalin has always been the central figure in the world Communist movement. We rallied around him, constantly asked his advice, and constantly drew ideological strength from his works. Comrade Stalin was full of warmth for the oppressed peoples of the East. "Do not forget the East" ( this was Comrade Stalin's great call after the October Revolution. Everyone knows that Comrade Stalin warmly loved the Chinese people and regarded the might of the Chinese revolution as incalculable. On the question of the Chinese revolution, he contributed his exalted wisdom. It was by following the teachings of Lenin and Stalin, along with having the support of the great Soviet state and all the revolutionary forces of other countries, that the Communist Party of China and the Chinese people achieved their historic victory a few years ago.

Now we have lost our great teacher and most sincere friend Comrade Stalin. What a misfortune this is! The sorrow that this misfortune has brought us cannot be described in words.

Our task is to transform sorrow into strength. In memory of our great teacher Stalin, the great friendship between the Communist Party of China and the Chinese people [on the one hand] and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Soviet People [on the other] formed in the name of Stalin will never cease to be strengthened. The Chinese Communists and the Chinese people will further intensify the study of Stalin's teachings and the study of Soviet science and technology in order to build our country.

The Communist Party of the Soviet Union is a party nurtured personally by Lenin and Stalin; it is the most advanced, the most experienced, and the most theoretically cultivated party in the world. This party has been our model in the past, is our model at present, and will still be our model in the future. We fully believe that the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the government of the Soviet Union headed by Comrade Malenkov will definitely be able to carry on Comrade Stalin's unfinished work and push the great cause of Communism forward and carry it to greater and more glorious development.

There is not the slightest doubt that the camp of world peace, democracy, and socialism headed by the Soviet Union will become even more united and even more powerful.

In the past thirty years, Comrade Stalin's teachings and the model of the construction of socialism in the Soviet Union have facilitated a major step forward for the world. Now that the Soviet Union has become so powerful the Chinese people's revolution has achieved such great victories, construction in the various people's democracies has achieved such great success, the movement of the peoples of various countries throughout the world against oppression and aggression has risen to such heights, and our front of friendship and solidarity is so consolidated, we can say with complete certainty that we are not afraid of any imperialist aggression. Any imperialist aggression will be smashed by us, and all their despicable provocation will be to no avail.

The reason that the great friendship between the peoples of the two countries, China and the Soviet Union, is unbreakable is that our friendship has been built on the great principles of the internationalism of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. The friendship between the peoples of the two countries, China and the Soviet Union, and the peoples of the various people's democracies, as well as with all the people who love peace, democracy, and justice in all the countries of the world is also built upon these great principles of internationalism and consequently is also unbreakable.

Clearly, the strength created by this kind of friendship of ours is inexhaustible and truly invincible.

Let all imperialist aggressors and warmongers tremble before our great friendship!

Long live the teaching of Marx, Lenin and Stalin!

Immortal glory to the heroic name of the great Stalin!

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES TROTSKY TRAITORS :D

[YKTMX]

And?

That just proves what a dunderheaded peasant Mao was - who knew?

[Xvall]

You're completely right and we're all convinced. You can go now, Zendo.

[zendo]

BLACK COMMUNIST PAUL ROBESON TO STALIN

To You Beloved Comrade
by Paul Robeson

There is no richer store of human experience than the folk tales, folk poems and songs of a people. In many, the heroes are always fully recognizable humans - only larger and more embracing in dimension. So it is with the Russian, Chinese. and the African folk-lore.

In 1937, a highly expectant audience of Moscow citizens - workers, artists, youth, farmers from surrounding towns - crowded the Bolshoy Theater. They awaited a performance by the Uzbek National Theater, headed by the highly gifted Tamara Khanum. The orchestra was a large one with instruments ancient and modern. How exciting would be the blending of the music of the rich culture of Moussorgsky, Tchaikovsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Khrennikov, Gliere - with that of the beautiful music of the Uzbeks, stemming from an old and proud civilization.

Suddenly everyone stood - began to applaud - to cheer - and to smile. The children waved.

In a box to the right - smiling and applauding the audience - as well as the artists on the stage - stood the great Stalin.

I remember the tears began to quietly flow. and I too smiled and waved Here was clearly a man who seemed to embrace all. So kindly - I can never forget that warm feeling of kindliness and also a feeling of sureness. Here was one who was wise and good - the world and especially the socialist world was fortunate indeed to have his daily guidance. I lifted high my son Pauli to wave to this world leader, and his leader. For Paul, Jr. had entered school in Moscow, in the land of the Soviets.

The wonderful performance began, unfolding new delights at every turn - ensemble and individual, vocal and orchestral, classic and folk-dancing of amazing originality. Could it be possible that a few years before in 1900 - in 1915 - these people had been semi-serfs - their cultural expression forbidden, their rich heritage almost lost under tsarist oppression's heel?

So here one witnessed in the field of the arts - a culture national in form, socialist in content. Here was a people quite comparable to some of the tribal folk of Asia - quite comparable to the proud Yoruba or Basuto of West and East Africa, but now their lives flowering anew within the socialist way of life twenty years matured under the guidance of Lenin and Stalin. And in this whole area of development of national minorities - of their relation to the Great Russians - Stalin had played and was playing a most decisive role.

I was later to travel - to see with my own eyes what could happen to so-called backward peoples. In the West (in England, in Belgium, France, Portugal, Holland) - the Africans, the Indians (East and West), many of the Asian peoples were considered so backward that centuries, perhaps, would have to pass before these so-called "colonials" could become a part of modern society.

But in the Soviet Union, Yakuts, Nenetses, Kirgiz, Tadzhiks - had respect and were helped to advance with unbelievable rapidity in this socialist land. No empty promises, such as colored folk continuously hear in the United States, but deeds. For example, the transforming of the desert in Uzbekistan into blooming acres of cotton. And an old friend of mine, Mr. Golden, trained under Carver at Tuskegee, played a prominent role in cotton production. In 1949, I saw his daughter, now grown and in the university - a proud Soviet citizen.

Today in Korea - in Southeast Asia - in Latin America and the West Indies, in the Middle East - in Africa, one sees tens of millions of long oppressed colonial peoples surging toward freedom. What courage - what sacrifice - what determination never to rest until victory!

And arrayed against them, the combined powers of the so-called Free West, headed by the greedy, profit-hungry, war-minded industrialists and financial barons of our America. The illusion of an "American Century" blinds them for the immediate present to the clear fact that civilization has passed them by - that we now live in a people's century - that the star shines brightly in the East of Europe and of the world. Colonial peoples today look to the Soviet Socialist Republics. They see how under the great Stalin millions like themselves have found a new life. They see that aided and guided by the example of the Soviet Union, led by their Mao Tse-tung, a new China adds its mighty power to the true and expanding socialist way of life. They see formerly semi-colonial Eastern European nations building new People's Democracies, based upon the people's power with the people shaping their own destinies. So much of this progress stems from the magnificent leadership, theoretical and practical, given by their friend Joseph Stalin.

They have sung - sing now and will sing his praise - in song and story. Slava - slava - slava - Stalin, Glory to Stalin. Forever will his name be honored and beloved in all lands.

In all spheres of modern life the influence of Stalin reaches wide and deep. From his last simply written but vastly discerning and comprehensive document, back through the years, his contributions to the science of our world society remain invaluable. One reverently speaks of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin - the shapers of humanity's richest present and future.

Yes, through his deep humanity, by his wise understanding, he leaves us a rich and monumental heritage. Most importantly - he has charted the direction of our present and future struggles. He has pointed the way to peace - to friendly co-existence - to the exchange of mutual scientific and cultural contributions - to the end of war and destruction. How consistently, how patiently, he labored for peace and ever increasing abundance, with what deep kindliness and wisdom. He leaves tens of millions all over the earth bowed in heart-aching grief.

But, as he well knew, the struggle continues. So, inspired by his noble example, let us lift our heads slowly but proudly high and march forward in the fight for peace - for a rich and rewarding life for all.

In the inspired words of Lewis Allan, our progressive lyricist -

To you Beloved Comrade, we make this solemn vow
The fight will go on - the fight will still go on.
Sleep well, Beloved Comrade, our work will just begin.
The fight will go on - till we win - until we win.

[zendo]

W.E.B. Du Bois on Stalin

"Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature. He was simple, calm and courageous. He seldom lost his poise; pondered his problems slowly, made his decisions clearly and firmly; never yielded to ostentation nor coyly refrained from holding his rightful place with dignity. . . .

"Stalin was not a man of conventional learning; he was much more than that: he was a man who thought deeply, read understandingly and listened to wisdom, no matter whence it came. He was attacked and slandered as few men of power have been; yet he seldom lost his courtesy or balance; nor did he let attack drive him from his convictions nor induce him to surrender positions which he knew were correct. As one of the despised minorities of man, he first set Russia on the road to conquer race prejudice and make one nation out of its 140 groups without destroying their individuality.

"His judgment of men was profound. He early saw through the flamboyance and exhibitionism of Trotsky, who fooled the world, and especially America. The whole ill-bred and insulting attitude of Liberals in the U.S. today began with our naive acceptance of Trotsky's magnificent lying propaganda, which he carried around the world. Against it, Stalin stood like a rock and moved neither right nor left, as he continued to advance toward a real socialism instead of the sham Trotsky offered.

[Xvall]

Dude, I said we all believe you. It's cool.

[zendo]

DRAKE if you have no rebuttal or any additional comments, then why are you wasting space on my post son?

Don't you have some homework to do? Your GED test is coming up next week :lol: :lol:

[Xvall]

Your post? I'll have you know that I rule these parts. This post is mine, *****.

[Xvall]

Here's my rebuttal: Stalin was a complete ass-hat. Once, while at a reastaurant, a man dropped a spoon, and just because of that Stalin ordered that everyone was executed.

Source: http://www.rusnewsarchives.net/archives/stalin/131.html

[zendo]

Drake you inbred trailer trash imbecile I told you youre GED test is coming up, go study..*****!

[jabra nicola]

Course when looking at the accomplishments of Uncle Joe we should not pass over the mass murder of almost the entire Bolshevik Party during the purges of the 1930s. Nor should we ignore the Third Period which enabled Hitler torise to power in Germany unopposed by the Communist Party. Nor should we ignore the Ukrainian famine in he 1930s. But why go all this is capitalist propaganda right?

PS I read Maos eulogy to Uncle Joe. What a turgid style.

[Xvall]

Drake you inbred trailer trash imbecile I told you youre GED test is coming up, go study..*****!

Go fuck a sheep, because I know that furry beasts make you horney (which explains your choice in a girlfriend). The only reason I don't have my GED is because I had to ditch class everytime I humped your mother.

[zendo]

Jabra Nicola can you back up any of your monkey propaganda claims or can you put your money where your mouth is??

And by the way it was the US and Britain who helped Hitler rise to power. Lets not forget Jabra that the US and Britain waited till 1944 to open up the Western Front, while Hitler slaughtered millions of innocents the US and Britain waited it out.

Stalin would always call the US and Britain asking them when they were going to open up the western front. It matters not because by 1944 Stalin had already defeated the Nazis and had driven them out of Germany.

If you have nothing better to do Jabra but to spit out Fox News Propaganda then you lost, if you got proof to back up your ridiculous claim then shoot the shit if not CHINGATE CABRON :D

[zendo]

hey Drake is it true they cut your balls off at birth, it looks like because you like to act all hard hiding behind a computer like a little maricon, typical liberal pussy

Step into my face and shoot the shit like a man you fucking Maricon!

[CrazyModerate]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 01:01 AM
DRAKE if you have no rebuttal or any additional comments, then why are you wasting space on my post son?

Don't you have some homework to do? Your GED test is coming up next week :lol: :lol:
Do you realise how much of an elitist you are? Ofcourse your elitist attitude should come as no surpise considerig you worship many elitists such as Mao and Stalin.

[Stellix]

Stalin was and still is a hero to the people of Eastern Europe and the rest of the oppressed workers outside the West. All the viable workers movements of the past century have been Marxist-Lenninist, none have been Trotskyist or Anarchist.

There is no such thing as "Stalinism". Stalin was a Marxist-Lenninist.

Anarchists are a complete joke. It is a political movement for kids in the suburbs, nothing more. Don't get me wrong though, I still like them better than the average mainstream conservative Yankee. Most are young so there is still hope for them.

[LSD]

Drake you inbred trailer trash imbecile I told you youre GED test is coming up, go study..*****!


hey Drake is it true they cut your balls off at birth, it looks like because you like to act all hard hiding behind a computer like a little maricon, typical liberal pussy

Step into my face and shoot the shit like a man you fucking Maricon!

Wow, is this an intelligent thread. :rolleyes:


Stalin was and still is a hero to the people of Eastern Europe

What, they just "don't realize" it? :P


All the viable workers movements of the past century have been Marxist-Lenninist

Like the USSR?

You call that degenerate, imperialist, corrupt, state-capitalist tyranny "viable"!? :blink:

And what are "all" these others? China? Vietnam? The DPRK? :lol:


none have been Trotskyist or Anarchist.

Well, except Spain which was equally if not more "viable" than any of the Marxist-Leninist examples you can point to.


There is no such thing as "Stalinism". Stalin was a Marxist-Lenninist.

I'll agree that Stalin made no theoretical contributions to Marxist-Leninism, and, as opposed to Trotskyists, I would even agree that his leadership style didn't significantly differ from Lenin's.

But, then, that really isn't a good thing... :(


Anarchists are a complete joke. It is a political movement for kids in the suburbs, nothing more.

You do realize that calling an ideology "for kids" doesn't discredit it anymore than calling communism "idealistic" makes it unattainable.

[Xvall]

hey Drake is it true they cut your balls off at birth,

Yeah, they were going to. Apparently some Stalinist dumbass needed a transplant because he didn't have any of his own. Go figure.


it looks like because you like to act all hard hiding behind a computer like a little maricon, typical liberal pussy

I don't just act hard, I am hard. I'm sustaining an erection right now, you little *****-face. You're so dumb that you sold your car for gas money.


Step into my face and shoot the shit like a man you fucking Maricon!

No, you're the MARICON, *****.

[zendo]

DRAKE What are you still doing here i thought I told you to go FUCK YOUR MOTHER :lol: :lol:

[Organic Revolution]

well this thread died rather quickly.

[LSD]

If this thread continues in this direction, I'm going to trash it or move it to Chit Chat (probably the latter).

[Hiero]

I propose you trash this moronic style of an attempt to defend Stalin. It's just embarrasing.

[Xvall]

DRAKE What are you still doing here i thought I told you to go FUCK YOUR MOTHER

I'll hop on that right after I finish with yours! Ooooh!

[zendo]

LYSERGIC ACID WHY DONT YOU DO EVERYONE A FAVOR AND INSTEAD OF TRASHING THIS POST YOU THROW YOURSELF IN THE TRASH YOU SWEAT FROM A BABOONS BALLS! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zendo]

DRAKE KEEP IT UP AND IM GONNA SLICE YOU IN HALF AND MAKE TWO *****ES OUT OF YOU.

[Xvall]

Good idea! And then since I'll be marrying your mom, I guess you'll have THREE *****es in your family, four if you include yourself.... *****.

GO SUCK ON AN EEL'S PENIS.

[Michael De Panama]

Stalin was an evil tyrant, Zendo! I have read several biographies by very credible Marxist/Leninists that have stated that the reason he was so inept as a leader was that, much like yourself, he was too busy playing with his butthole cubes. If you don't stop with your lies, I'm going to cut your dick off, shove it in your mouth, and kill you! And then if you still don't stop, I'm going to take your family, throw them in the river, anchor them down, and show them where they went wrong!

[Xvall]

Straight up.

[zendo]

Michael WELL I HAVE MY FINGER UP YOUR MOMS BUNGHOLE AS I WRITE THIS

I CANT TYPE TOO FAST WAIT UP HOLD ON

OH FUCK MY FINGER STINKS, I GOTTA GO CLEAN THIS, ANYWAYS MICHAELA
DONT WORRY I WAS GOING TO STICK HER WITH MY RAMROD, BUT GODAMN THIS FINGER IS TURNING GREEN

I DONT WANT THE SAME THING HAPPENING TO MY PORONGA, SO YOUR MOM WILL BE HOME 30 MINUTES EARLIER OK

CIAO PELOTUDO DE MIERDA!! :lol:

[zendo]

DRAKE GODAMN YOUR MOM IS NASTY

YOUR MOM IS SO NASTY DRAKE I called her for phone sex and she gave me an ear infection.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[zendo]

DRAKE YOUR MOM IS LIKE A REFRIGERATOR, EVERYONE STICKS
THEIR MEAT IN HER!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Xvall]

What did you just say? Oh, I'm sorry; why don't you take your fucking head out of your ass and try repeating it so I can hear, you useless piece of shit! One of these days I'm gonna toss a fucking bomb into this place you worthless WORMFUCKER.

[Xvall]

Your mom is like a Moped! Fun to ride until my friends see it!

[zendo]

DRAKE I ELECTROCUTED YOUR MOTHER'S NIPPLES AND SHE LOVED IT!

DAMN SHE'S A FREAK :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Xvall]

Fuck you, I bet her nipples are still bigger than your shriveled up little DICK. GO LICK A HORSE'S ANUS YOU FUCKING PERVERT.

[Michael De Panama]

Zendo, quit playing with your butthole cubes before I make you drink my golden jizz!

[Xvall]

Yeah, you little deer fucking pube, show us what you're made up, WHORE.

[Michael De Panama]

I think he's retreated. JUST LIKE A LITTLE *****!

Anti-Stalinists win again!!

Now it is time to lock up all Stalinists into the Opposing Ideologies section.

We'll talk some more about this in the Commie Club.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Typical Stalinists, can't take a little bit of criticism.

But, then again, stop provoking the poor guy Drake.

[Socialistpenguin]

God, it's been a while since I've seen a "Yo Mom" arguement.
People, you know the rules: there are no rules! keep it unlike zendo's mom, good, quick and clean! No *****ing, no biting, no sucking, no blowing! LET'S GET IT ON!

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:39 PM
Stalin was a true MARXIST in every sense of the word.


(.......)


SOME OF STALIN"S INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS

1) THE INDUSTRIALIZATION OF THE USSR
Stalin Industrialized the most backward country in all of Europe. On February 4, 1931, Stalin explained why the country had to maintain the extremely rapid rate of industrialization and I quote Stalin "Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and lose its independence?

"We are fifty to a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do this or they crush us."

Stalin was 100 percent correct. In less than ten years the Nazis invaded. Were it not for the industrial revolution, Russia would have been crushed.

2)STALIN DOUBLED LIFE EXPECTANCY

Year USSR deaths per 1000
1913________ 30.2
1940________ 18.3
1950________ 9.6
1953________ 9.0
1956________ 7.5

Year USA deaths per 1000
1913_______ 13.2
1940_______ 10.8
1950_______ 9.6
1953_______ 9.6
1956_______ 9.4


Year USSR infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 273
1940_______ 184
1950_______ 81
1953_______ 68
1956_______ 47

Year USA infant deaths per 1000
1913_______ 99.9
1940_______ 47.0
1950_______ 29.2
1953_______ 27.8
1956_______ 26.0


The raw STATISTICS do not lie! Do a google, go to a library and see for yourself. Stalin Doubled Life Expectancy because he implemented universal healthcare for everyone. Stalin ordered the construction of thousands of hospitals, clinics, etc. Healthcare was one of Stalin's main concerns.


So, how do birth and death statistics make a person a Marxist?

This is something that really pisses me off, all because some person did good things, DOES NOT equate them to being Marxist!

[bolshevik butcher]

Stalin didn't do all that himself. Yes the ussr did proseper under stalin, but freedoms were restricted and stalin killed millions.

[Taiga]

First of all I would ask you, Zendo, stop using all caps. It's hard to read.
Next. Please, do not use personal offends especially concerning smb's relatives. It's not the best way for a mature conversation.
And stop deifying the man. :lol: