concerned voter

[PrideoftheProletariat]

Well, in the state of Florida you are allowed to register early to vote when you get your driver's license. Once you turn eighteen then mail it to you. Anyways, what I was wondering about was the blacklist. I've heard it still exists. I've been debating for a while whether to register with the communist party or to just register independent. If I were to register communist, would I be blackballed for the rest of my life?

[Seeker]

IMO that would be like wearing a huge "please spy on me" sign.

So long as you have nothing to hide, go for it.

Being an independent won't give you a better chance of having your vote counted. The only way to get that is to register Republican.

But with the current status of our election process (a shambles), I don't plan on voting at all. Between the Republican-written code for the e-voting machines, gerrymandering, and refusal to count votes submitted by certain ethnic and ideological profiles, I see no point in it. It is a show, entertaining and pacifying and a terrible hypocrisy.

I know for a fact that my vote in the 2004 election was not counted. Even before there was proof that the electronic voting machines didn't work properly, I didn't trust them, and so I voted by a paper absentee ballot. The day after the election, the results were announced and Bush 2 was crowned. A visit to the election HQ for the county I sent my ballot to (historically Democratic/Independent) showed that they had not yet even begun to count absentee ballots. The fix was in.

[MoscowFarewell]

This is to seeker, so for us future voters, if we are communist with something to hide, we should just register independent?

[OleMarxco]

No, how about this; We should register as nothing and grab the fuckin' guns, alreadey. Votes are bullshit. Bullets count. Corpses count. Atleast more than ballots - Which are stopped before they are finished countin'. And then, started senate-bribin'! ;)

[MoscowFarewell]

I chuckled when I saw that.

[Gust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 10:30 PM
No, how about this; We should register as nothing and grab the fuckin' guns, alreadey. Votes are bullshit. Bullets count. Corpses count. Atleast more than ballots - Which are stopped before they are finished countin'. And then, started senate-bribin'! ;)
Good enough for my signature. :lol:

[Organic Revolution]

'if voting changed anything it would be illegal.'

[Gust]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 24 2005, 12:39 AM
'if voting changed anything it would be illegal.'
That is sweet! Did you come up with that!?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

The presidential election in 2008 will be the first one that I can attempt vote in, do you guys think I should go and "vote" for some socialist or other left-wing person just for the hell of it or not even bother?

[enigma2517]

Vote if you feel like it. The real crime is when you actually have a candidate and/or party that you actively promote, tell other people to vote for, collect signatures, etc.

When you tell others to vote for "your guy" you're giving the current system even more legitamacy. If I were you I would not vote and encourage others not to.

Don't vote, revolt!

:)

Only 121 million people voted last year. Out of 295 million (not sure how many of those people are over 18, but that demographic is hardly ever larger than 15-20%). Whats funny is that this is the largest turnout since 1968. Crazy huh?

People are very disillusioned with voting, as they should be. When I was younger I actually used to "support" the Democrats because they were more left-leaning than the Republicans. I used to not like Republicans. Now I'm not even sure who I dislike more. It seems like I have all of these leftist friends that hate every single problem and outcome of capitalism yet they never want to directly challenge it and instead want to "vote for something realistic", i.e. the Dems. Sad really

Edit: This is an interesting question indeed. Look up some leftist literature about reformism and its overwhelming futility.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:26 AM
I've been debating for a while whether to register with the communist party or to just register independent. If I were to register communist, would I be blackballed for the rest of my life?
Probably not. There really isn't an organized group of employers circulating that kind of list in this country...that is, nothing comparable to Britain's former Economic League or now CAPRiM (http://www.friendsoftheheroes.co.uk/archive/issue18.html#4)

It might conceivably get your your very own (illegal) FBI file, but so might lots of other things. So if you have some actual reason to do it, feel free.

Paranoia is to be resisted...most political-police operations are aimed primarily at encouraging it.

Enigma:

When you tell others to vote for "your guy" you're giving the current system even more legitamacy.

Nonsense, the system has legitimacy because most people accept it, which is reflected in voting for candidates who support the system among other things. Election campaigns provide more opportunity than any other means to explain to the greatest number of people why they shouldn't. You can't speak of a revolutionary situation until most people break from the bosses' parties. You don't bring it closer by excluding yourself from any arena of struggle, and isolating yourself from the masses.

Lenin explains the conditions required before people who are serious about revolution, and not just revolutionary rhetoric, can call for boycotting an election. (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1907/boycott/i.htm#v13pp72-018)

A similar attitude has been taken by anyone who's ever actually led a revolution; ultraleft purists who like to boycott the actual relationship of forces have never done anything of the kind.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Gust+Jul 23 2005, 06:43 PM--> (Gust @ Jul 23 2005, 06:43 PM)
rise [email protected] 24 2005, 12:39 AM
'if voting changed anything it would be illegal.'
That is sweet! Did you come up with that!? [/b]
no its a pretty well known quote.