Two Iranian teenagers executed for being gay

[The Feral Underclass]

Two gay Iranian teenagers -- one 18, the other believed to be 16 or 17,
were executed this week for the "crime" of homosexuality, the Iranian
Student News Agency (ISNA) reported on July 19. (The ISNA report is in
Farsi, and was translated into English by the British gay rights group
OutRage!, ISNA also provided the terrifying photos of the teens' last
moments. The two youths -- identified only by their initials as M.A. and
A.M., were hanged on July 19 in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of
Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, on the orders of Court No. 19. The hanging
of the teens was also reported by the National Council of Resistance of
Iran.

For full report, pictures, links (in farsi, english and arabic) and
protest actions news please log on to
http://www.beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml

[Led Zeppelin]

This is horrible, the mullahs will pay for this in blood!

[Organic Revolution]

is there a set national law in iran against being gay?

[plokhoe]

homosexual intercourse is illegal in 13 states in america!!!

[Organic Revolution]

so are you saying that there is a law in iran against homosexuality

[Seeker]

I believe that the Iranian government makes a show of following Shia Law, so if it is not allowed by their interpretation of Quran, it is illegal. The problem, as usual, is in the interpretation.

[Severian]

Follow the link, people.

"Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran....."according to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979.""

[monkeydust]

That is sick and wrong. Even the Nazis didn't kill most of the homosexuals they hated.

[4514]

"Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

:huh: :unsure: :angry:
nice place that iran.im not to sure which smiley best reflects my feelings after reading that article.

"deathstyles" if i ever join a band, thats going to be its name.
4514
rank and file

[Led Zeppelin]

Being hanged must be the worst way to die, political prisoners are shot.

[bolshevik butcher]

That's really sick. It gives you an idea of how bad things must be over there.

[Red Heretic]

Thought this was somewhat relevant:

Iran Maoists: "Overthrow the Islamic Republic, Confront U.S. Aggression"

Revolutionary Worker #1274, April 10, 2005, posted at rwor.org

The following is excerpted from an article from the March issue (no. 21) ofHaghighat , the publication of the Communist Party of Iran (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist). It is being reprinted by the RW from A World to Win News Service.
WHAT IS TO BE DONE?

The Islamic Republic of Iran should be overthrown as soon as possible by the forces of the people, and U.S. aggression and intervention must be confronted. This general orientation should guide the activities of the left parties and organizations, progressive intellectuals and workers, and the mass movements of students and women.

The U.S. is the most powerful country in the world but it faces deadly dangers with each step it takes. The Iranian regime is on the verge of being toppled but that doesn't mean that the system that produced the Islamic Republic would be overthrown.

The blood-sucking and exploiting nature of U.S. imperialism is not unknown to the communists and a large section of people and freedom-loving organizations and parties. We have the experience of the hijacking of the 1979 revolution [when the U.S. decided to back Khomeini rather than risk a revolutionary outcome after the American-backed Shah was overthrown]. It is clear that U.S. imperialism is working hand-in-hand with new and old reactionaries, trying to impose a caricature of changes instead of real changes, and to prevent the birth of a real revolution that would bring about fundamental political and economic changes. A hard and complex struggle is ahead of us. The masses of people with their aspirations, and through the efforts of their communist vanguard, along with all freedom-loving people, must be the initiators and organizers of the overthrow of the Islamic Republic regime, smashing its organs of power and its military and security organs. No imperialist power can be allowed to dictate the degree, measure and depth of change in Iranian society so as to mislead the people's movement along the path it wants. It is up to the militant forces to organize—at a highly accelerated pace—mass movements of the workers, students, women and oppressed nationalities with clear anti-reactionary and anti-imperialist positions, so that the people themselves can overthrow the Islamic Republic and confront U.S. plans.

With its own hands American imperialism has created a huge crisis and rift within the state structures of the Middle Eastern countries. It is not at all clear that the U.S. will be able to reap the results for its own interests. A new chapter of class struggle has started in Iran. There is a long way to go before we can reach the conclusion, and it is not clear which class will write it. But the working class and the peoples of Iran under the leadership of their communist vanguard face great opportunities to write this conclusion themselves. We must dare to seize this opportunity.

[bolshevik butcher]

Is this just ropoganda or is the reigieme really on the verge of collapse?

[which doctor]

actually they were hung for raping young boys, but this crime does not warrant the death penalty

[Xvall]

Ah, America's allies.

[zendo]

MonkeyDust dont worry, 2 Iranians were executed

Nothing compared to the 100,000 Iraqi women and children that were savagely murdered by the barbaric US invasion of IRAQ.

Talk about Sick ha?

[TC]

Originally posted by Fist of [email protected] 25 2005, 12:52 AM
actually they were hung for raping young boys, but this crime does not warrant the death penalty
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...iranhang24.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002399092_iranhang24.html)


Actually only one of them, the 16 year old, was accused of raping a 13 year old...I think from the description on the origional site of the boys saying that everyone did it and so on it probably wasn't rape but consensual sex with someone under the age of consent (so, "statutory rape", with someone just three years younger).


the 18 year old was just accused of having sex with another boy.


In any case the Iranian government and religion is sick and evil and it shouldn't be defended for any reason even against the United States.

I'm also really sick of leftist sympathy for genuinely fucked up religions. Iraq needs strong secular Sunni leadership so they can repress the Shia because they clearly shouldn't be allowed to govern themselves...they're a big cult that follows their religious leaders unquestioning as a matter of religious law, unlike the majority of Muslims who don't view the opinions of religious scholars (which is all they are) as binding and allow themselves their own interpretation and religious studies.

[Stellix]

An other article I read said these two raped a child several years younger than themselves.

Incidents like this should not prevent leftists from supporting Iran as a beacon of anti-Yankee imperialism.

[Led Zeppelin]

MonkeyDust dont worry, 2 Iranians were executed

Nothing compared to the 100,000 Iraqi women and children that were savagely murdered by the barbaric US invasion of IRAQ.

Talk about Sick ha?

What about the hundreds of thousands of political prisoners murdered by the Iranian regime?

Not "Sick ha"?

[TC]

If they actually raped somone that i wouldn't object...but again if you read the article only one of them was accuased of that and Iran exicutes people for consensual sex as well.


Supporting Iran against imperialism is like supporting the Nazis or Japanese empire against imperialism. There aren't many things worse then american imperialism but Iran is one of them.


Of course the US kills tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis but you should remember that Iran has also killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis so it really doesn't have that as a point of moral superiority on the US does it?

[Stellix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:22 AM
If they actually raped somone that i wouldn't object...but again if you read the article only one of them was accuased of that and Iran exicutes people for consensual sex as well.


Supporting Iran against imperialism is like supporting the Nazis or Japanese empire against imperialism. There aren't many things worse then american imperialism but Iran is one of them.


Of course the US kills tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis but you should remember that Iran has also killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis so it really doesn't have that as a point of moral superiority on the US does it?
Comparing Iran to Japan or Germany is inaccurate because Iran is in no way imperialist like those countries were.

I never said the theocrats of Iran were the best people ever. Though I am sure most would choose them over any secular neo-liberal Western puppet any day of the week. Hugo Chavez even backs them over the neo-cons currently in power. (i live in the US btw)

[zendo]

IRAN DESERVES THE SUPPORT OF EVERY SINGLE ANTI CAPITALIST AND ANTI IMPERIALIST SOCIALIST


WHY DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT CHAVEZ AND RUSSIA SUPPORT IRAN SO MUCH?

WE HAVE TO SUPPORT ANY COUNTRY THAT THE US HATES, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF ADMIRATION FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAN, IRAQ, NORTH KOREA, CUBA, VENEZUELA AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY THAT OPPOSES US IMPERIALISM!!

[TC]

Chavez only expresses public support for Iran because it like venezuela is an oil exporting nation and it wants to keep OPEC together. Thats all

[rebelworker]

God these fuckin stalinists are fucked up(im refering to zendo here), I have several friends who are communists who were forced to flee Iran because their organizations were targeted and all their friends were killed or imprisoned. Rhe current regeim is one of the most active counterevolutionary states in the world!!!

Against all relegious fundamentalism.
rebelworker

PS chavez is just a national chauvanist, not revolitionary at all. You people are so desperate for a hero you will grab on to anything, get real, look at the facts if this shit was going on here you would be scraming bloody murder, your just fetishising the third world, its not very revolutionary at all, just kind of sad...

[guerillablack]

They raped someone, and they raped someone underage, they deserved to be hung.

[Xvall]

The problem is, though, that they wren't hung for raping the child. They were hung for being gay, which is a capitol offense in both Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[Anarcho-Communist]

I have no problem with homosexuals, It is their choice in sexual life so leave them be, that killing is outrageous and should not have happened.

[JC1]

The iranian state is comprador to EU Capital, and not a "Facist" state. However, that being said, why should communists suppourt the EU's Banna republic ?
The Shia's are no where near as bad as the Americans, and we must Unconditionly defend them against Imperialism BUT we must at the same time advocate there destruction.

[Redmau5]

Iran deserves no support. The White Nationalist Party are anti-American, should we support them?

I would never support Christian fundamentalism, so im not going to support the Islamic fundamentalist republic that is Iran.

[Oglaigh na hEireann]

Why would anyone in their right mind ever support "Every" country that the United States hates? Do you realize what kind of governments you would be supporting in that case? Governments like those that have started things like genocide in Africa, or the killing fields in Cambodia (Khmer Rouge).

Zendo, as being the person that started this comment, I say you should rethink this idea.



-Sean

[mo7amEd]

Hanging someone for being gay seems a bit to harsh...

And to the other discussion you have: If you support anything AGAINST US, then you support the Al Qaida, don't you? They oppose the US but at the same time would not hesitate to kill you and me.

[Stellix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:26 AM
IRAN DESERVES THE SUPPORT OF EVERY SINGLE ANTI CAPITALIST AND ANTI IMPERIALIST SOCIALIST


WHY DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT CHAVEZ AND RUSSIA SUPPORT IRAN SO MUCH?

WE HAVE TO SUPPORT ANY COUNTRY THAT THE US HATES, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF ADMIRATION FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAN, IRAQ, NORTH KOREA, CUBA, VENEZUELA AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY THAT OPPOSES US IMPERIALISM!!
I agree completely.

People that condemn progressive anti-imperialist third world leaders for "human rights abuses" only fuel the propoganda machine of the Yankee/Zionist media. It makes their jobs easier.

[Oglaigh na hEireann]

How could you ignore that some of these governments have commited attrocities? Attrocities that are not just "fuel" for some propoganda machine.

Are you saying that you would rather see millions of innocent people die so you could unite all countries oppposed to one enemy?



-Sean

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 01:26 AM
IRAN DESERVES THE SUPPORT OF EVERY SINGLE ANTI CAPITALIST AND ANTI IMPERIALIST SOCIALIST


WHY DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT CHAVEZ AND RUSSIA SUPPORT IRAN SO MUCH?

WE HAVE TO SUPPORT ANY COUNTRY THAT THE US HATES, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF ADMIRATION FOR THE PEOPLE OF IRAN, IRAQ, NORTH KOREA, CUBA, VENEZUELA AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY THAT OPPOSES US IMPERIALISM!!
why the hell would you want to support those countries? im not interested in supporting some rich religious bastard in iran anymore than here in the us. who cares if he's against the us, they are still the enemy, they are government. and what do you mean support iraq? the new government? cause you can bet who they will side with.

[Stellix]

Originally posted by Oglaigh na [email protected] 25 2005, 04:02 PM
How could you ignore that some of these governments have commited attrocities? Attrocities that are not just "fuel" for some propoganda machine.

Are you saying that you would rather see millions of innocent people die so you could unite all countries oppposed to one enemy?



-Sean
What "millions of people" are you talking about? The Western countries have killed more people through military/economic warfare than any anti-imperialist nation.

1 million innocent Iraqis died as a result of US/UK backed sanctions alone. Not to mention the thousands that died during the invasions of that country. Or the millions killed during imperialist intervention in Vietnam and Korea.

[JC1]

Stellix is IronFelix.

[Oglaigh na hEireann]

Millions would die if you began turning a blind eye to the actions that some of the governments were taking just so you could have their support in fighting off imperialism.

And just because "western" countries have done this, that warrants the other side to take the same action to help their cause?

Stellix, you sound like a war monger.


-Sean

[Redvolution]

Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?

In this case, hell no. Though the regime opposes US imperialism, I firmly believe theocracy belongs in history books, not the 21st century.

Although I admit I don't know much about Iran. This is just sickening, though.

[Stellix]

Originally posted by Oglaigh na [email protected] 25 2005, 04:34 PM
Millions would die if you began turning a blind eye to the actions that some of the governments were taking just so you could have their support in fighting off imperialism.

And just because "western" countries have done this, that warrants the other side to take the same action to help their cause?

Stellix, you sound like a war monger.


-Sean
How am I a war monger? :huh:

What is your political affiliation btw?

[mo7amEd]

I didn't even thought that even one communist in the world would support Iran, as far as I know they are against workers movement as much as the US are. Sure you think it's a good thing they fight the US Imperialism, but don't support them. If they could they would do exactly as the US is doing today.

[Anarchist Freedom]

How horrible and wrong! :( :angry:

[Severian]

Originally posted by Clenched Fist+Jul 24 2005, 03:09 PM--> (Clenched Fist @ Jul 24 2005, 03:09 PM)Is this just ropoganda or is the reigieme really on the verge of collapse?[/b]
Propaganda, and probably not especially well-informed propaganda (i.e. probably an exile group without much activity inside the country), but I don't see where it says the regime is on the verge of collapse.

There is widespread dissatisfaction...reflected in the election, first of the "reformer" Khatami, now of the "populist" Ahmadinejad. And Iranian workers and peasants made 3 revolutions in the 20th century. But nobody can really know how long it'll be until the next revolution.


[email protected] 24 2005, 10:22 PM
Supporting Iran against imperialism is like supporting the Nazis or Japanese empire against imperialism. There aren't many things worse then american imperialism but Iran is one of them.
Silly. The U.S.-supported shah killed a lot more people than the Islamic Republic has.

There's nothing "progressive" about the Iranian regime, contrary to what some have said. I solidarize with Iranian working people against the regime. And also against imperialist attacks on Iran, which are attacks on working people most of all.

[Led Zeppelin]

The U.S.-supported shah killed a lot more people than the Islamic Republic has.


Source?

[Severian]

Source? Read a little about the history of the 1979 revolution, and the crowds of protestors gunned down by the shah's cops and troops.

[YoUnG192]

You guys need to start getting the full story. These guys raped little kids. Here is the full story FULL STORY!!!!! (http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2955)

Capital punishment is wrong but if these fucks molested little boys whose lives are changed forever, I feel no sympathy what so ever.

[Camarada]

the story could've been made-up by the Iranian government for all you know. the previous reports of the execution did not mention a rape, until the newspaper Iran in Focus claimed they had raped a 13-year old.

but the 16-or 17year old and the 18-year old teens only admitted to having sex with each other...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:12 AM
An other article I read said these two raped a child several years younger than themselves.
When you are 18 and 16 you may think you are brave and right, but the reality is that you are naive and scared and when faced with the imminent prospect of being hung you are easily manipulated by people who hold such violent power over you and who have experience in interrogation

The charges of whether they "rapped" someone else are most likely made up in an attempt to justify to an ever increasing moderate public that hanging two young boys was ok. Not that they themselves as State and executioners needed justification. They were doing gods work after all.


Incidents like this should not prevent leftists from supporting Iran as a beacon of anti-Yankee imperialism.

But the struggle against US Imperialism is a ruling class struggle. The working class, wether they had the murderours Mullah's in control, or an American Plutocracy would be no better off.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by YoU[email protected] 26 2005, 08:26 AM
You guys need to start getting the full story. These guys raped little kids. Here is the full story FULL STORY!!!!! (http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2955)

Capital punishment is wrong but if these fucks molested little boys whose lives are changed forever, I feel no sympathy what so ever.
They were accused of rape. That does not mean it happened.

Paedophilia and rape are the most famous accusations brought to bare on homosexuals in order to justify their persecution.

I don't see how the word "accused" can be interpreted as fact. They boys were not given a fair trial and were interrogated by fanatics who have a history of torture and fabricating charges against people.

[bur372]

probably all homesexual intercourse in iran is "rape" in the same way as "rape" is consexual sex between under 16 year olds in britain.

They also probably made up the charges.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 10:34 AM
the story could've been made-up by the Iranian government for all you know. the previous reports of the execution did not mention a rape, until the newspaper Iran in Focus claimed they had raped a 13-year old.

but the 16-or 17year old and the 18-year old teens only admitted to having sex with each other...
They didn't claim they rapped a boy, they claimed they had been accused of rapping a boy.

Doing something and being accused of doing something are two very different things, and as these boys weren't given a trial, it is pretty obvious that the accusations were complete bollocks.

[Led Zeppelin]

Source? Read a little about the history of the 1979 revolution, and the crowds of protestors gunned down by the shah's cops and troops.


I know about that, still doesn't prove your claim.

Give me figures, if you are unable too you probably made it up.

[Toussaint]

It's a fact the regime in Iran murders homosexuals in a legal way.

They always did it from the very beginning of the Islamic Republic. And the trial is often a mere caricature.

The iranian regime is a criminal one.

Nobody can say indeed if the Shah killed more or less people. I lived in Iran and took part in the revolution. I lived four years in a constant fear. The Shah's atrocities were terrifying.

But the islamic regime is not bad at all when it comes to repression. The difference is the mullahs were not in the situation the Shah faced in 1978, with a growing unrest and finally a mass insurrection. Then, he killed in some monthes tens of thousands of people. Heavy machine-gun fire in the crowds... It was a long and terrible massacre before he gave up.

But, not only was the Islamic Republic a very repressive regime, repressive in the public as well as in the private spheres, it had to fight a terrible war, hundreds of thousands of people died. The iranians have seen a lot of blood thes last 25 years...

[YoUnG192]

Everyone here says Iran is a criminal regime that executes homosexuals. Name one country where gays are accepted. No religion accepts homosexuality. If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.

[Oglaigh na hEireann]

Name one country that accepts gays? Canada for one, it is legal in some provinces already. Also alot of European countries.




-Sean

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 11:09 PM
Everyone here says Iran is a criminal regime that executes homosexuals. Name one country where gays are accepted. No religion accepts homosexuality. If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.
Well at least gays have rights in most of the Western world. I know there is a hell of alot of discrimination, but i'd say being gay in the US would be a great deal easier than in Iran.


No religion accepts homosexuality

Which is why religion should be banned.


If your gay down south in the United States like in rural areas of Georgia forget it you might as well be dead.

Don't you think you're being a bit stereotypical?

[YoUnG192]

Don't you think you're being a bit stereotypical?

The religious right dominates rural places in the south. Do you actually believe there are open homosexuals in those far right christian communities. Wake up.

[Redmau5]

Im just not as quick to judge every southern person as you obviously are.

[YoUnG192]

Am I talking about all southern people? No. Learn how to read and don't try to put words in my mouth . I think we can all agree a homosexual will be much more comfortable in a big city like New York City than a small town in Alabama.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 01:03 AM
Am I talking about all southern people? No. Learn how to read and don't try to put words in my mouth . I think we can all agree a homosexual will be much more comfortable in a big city like New York City than a small town in Alabama.
I know how to read so don't fucking insult me. You assumed all rural places in the south were far-right Christian. I know the majority are, but have you been to them all. No. So don't judge people if you don't know.

[YoUnG192]

You assumed all rural places in the south were far-right Christian. I know the majority are

Thank You.

[Redmau5]

You never mentioned anything about the majority being far-right. So don't thank me.

[YoUnG192]

I said the the south is mostly dominated by the far right so that does mean majority it doesn't mean every single human being in the south.

[Redmau5]

Fascist Italy was dominated by fascists. That doesn't mean the majority of it's people were fascist.

[YoUnG192]

For fuck sake who said anything about governments? Listen if you cannot debate intelligently don't debate at all.

[Seeker]

I wonder why these two particular children were singled out for execution? Were they more vocal than most Iranian gay people? More visible? What other political activities were they involved with? Did the Mullahs want them dead for other reasons? The story of injustice as it is almost defies the imagination.

__________________________________________________


I live in the armpit of the deep south. To the east is Georgia, Alabama is due NORTH, and Louisiana is to the west.

My mothers side of the family comes from Chicago and my father's side is from Philly. As a result, I've spent a good bit of time traveling around the north.

It seems to me that right-wingers are the majority everywhere I go in the eastern US (I haven't spent much time at all in the west).

Generally speaking, righties in the south are more polite and less likely to bring up the topic of politics or religion.

There are no openly gay teenagers in the south, because kids are almost incomprehensibly cruel to eachother (around here at least). There are quite a few openly gay adults living in the south, and nobody seems to bother them much. They are not liked (just barely tolerated is closer to the mark), and behind their backs people say mean things, but face to face there is almost always a polite facade.

The way I see it, in the South, most people want the government to "do something" and they will not rest until gays are 2nd class citizens. In the North, people do not seem to have super-sized churches preaching politics and organizing the congregations for right-wing activism, and the northerners that do care one way or the other are likely to beat the crap out of you and leave it at that.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 08:26 PM
There are no openly gay teenagers in the south, because kids are almost incomprehensibly cruel to eachother (around here at least).
I know one, my wife's cousin. She was in some tiny town, too, until she joined the army. So actually stopped being openly gay when she left that town....

[YoUnG192]

That's the don't ask don't tell policy right? Or is that just to guys? Correct me if am wrong.

[Severian]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 01:46 AM
For fuck sake who said anything about governments? Listen if you cannot debate intelligently don't debate at all.
It was a metaphor. You obviously can't see that. Idiot.

[TC]

Name one country where gays are accepted.

Um, all of Europe and Canada, the major costal cities in Brazil, East Asia and non-muslim South East Asia, India, Australia, the United States Pacific, North Eastern and Great Lake states...


No religion accepts homosexuality

How about episcopalians, presbyterians, mainline methodists, first world anglicans, quakers, the united church of christ, unitarian universialists, reform jews, sufi muslims, wiccans, ect.


All religion might be kindof messed up...but the hardline Shia islam in Iran is way more messed up then most religion. Even evangelical christian crazys don't systematically murder gays.

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 02:35 PM

Name one country where gays are accepted.

Um, all of Europe and Canada, the major costal cities in Brazil, East Asia and non-muslim South East Asia, India, Australia, the United States Pacific, North Eastern and Great Lake states...


No religion accepts homosexuality

How about episcopalians, presbyterians, mainline methodists, first world anglicans, quakers, the united church of christ, unitarian universialists, reform jews, sufi muslims, wiccans, ect.


All religion might be kindof messed up...but the hardline Shia islam in Iran is way more messed up then most religion. Even evangelical christian crazys don't systematically murder gays.
Blame it on the gouvernment, don't blame it on religion

[Led Zeppelin]

Blame it on the gouvernment, don't blame it on religion

Iran is a theocracy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theocracy).

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Um, all of Europe and Canada, the major costal cities in Brazil, East Asia and non-muslim South East Asia, India, Australia, the United States Pacific, North Eastern and Great Lake states...

Ask a teenager in Europe today what he or she think of homosexuals, and they will almost always answer that they despise homosexuality. The youth seems often more reactionary than the adults.

[h&s]

What makes you think that? You must hang out with some pretty biggotted people. If anything youths (when they think about what they say, not when they follow the crowd) are far more open-minded than older people.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 5 2005, 11:24 AM
What makes you think that? You must hang out with some pretty biggotted people. If anything youths (when they think about what they say, not when they follow the crowd) are far more open-minded than older people.
I agree with NWOG, as it is certainly that way (for the majority of teens) here in the US. The majority of the kids I know (and just talk to or listen to) are reactionary morons, the kinds of kids the Army would love.

Oh well, just means more bodies for us to pile up when the Revolution comes!

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 08:07 AM
You guys need to start getting the full story. These guys raped little kids. Here is the full story FULL STORY!!!!! (http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2955)

Capital punishment is wrong but if these fucks molested little boys whose lives are changed forever, I feel no sympathy what so ever.
They were accused of rape, but in a rather vague way.

I've read the same tactic was used against men of black skin in the american south - if he had consensual sex with a white woman it was "rape".

This is a pretty see through charge. They were hung for being homosexual. No reason to beat around the bush, Islam (the religion and its institutions, not each and every follower) is reactionary.

[Reds]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:39 AM
They raped someone, and they raped someone underage, they deserved to be hung.
only one was Accused of this.