'communists' in Nepal

[viva le revolution]

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=...3-7-2005_pg4_23 (http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-7-2005_pg4_23)

1.these guys oppose the Maoists.
2. They support non-violence.
3. they support a constitutional monarchy system in the country.


Not really 'communists' in my view, through their stated goals they sound more like reformists willing to establish bourgeois capitalism under a constitutional monarchy. what do you think , comrades?

[Camarada]

do you know where I can find more info about them?

[Seeker]

You have to consider the culture. They have a caste system, and IIRC the Nepalese are mostly Buddhist.

I believe they think they can make anything work. There are many ways to get to a location, and so long as people want to get there, the outcome is inevitable. The time is not yet right, and so they seem content to be patient for now, while creating the required atmosphere. There is still much caste-based bigotry to be overcome.

I like their methods. They seem very well thought out. Then again, there are not many differences between my beliefs and those of a professed Buddhist.



There are also Maoists operating in Nepal who have brought violence. They have taken control of parts of the country, and demand an end to the constitutional monarchy and caste system. I often find myself believing that violence is the only way to deal with a bigot, so even though I see this plan as being less clever than the other, I still have nothing bad to say about it. It may have been a join-or-starve situation for many of them (making the other plan not so clever after all).

[Red Heretic]

that group is indeed a revisionist charade. the only real communist organization in Nepal is the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), which is leading the masses forward to socialism :)

[Camarada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 03:03 AM
that group is indeed a revisionist charade. the only real communist organization in Nepal is the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), which is leading the masses forward to socialism :)
Oh yeah and 2 + 2 = 5!

god damn those un-maoist revisionists!

:rolleyes:

:sarcasm:

[Severian]

It's a reformist workers' party, like most parties in the world calling themselves Communist. Generally the formerly pro-Moscow and pro-Beijing parties seem to be filling the role formerly taken by the social democrats, as the social democrats move further right.

There are a lot of reformist workers' parties in Nepal, some of them pretty large. Some of them call themselves "Marxist-Leninist" or "Maoist"...the guerillas are usually referred to as "the Maoists" because their name is "Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)", that's all.

There probably isn't any revolutionary party (revolutionary in deeds not just words) in Nepal...there isn't in most countries.

But you know what? Give me a workers' organization any day, no matter now reformist and petty-bourgeois its leadership and program, over a purely petty-bourgeois group, no matter now much it waves the red flag...

And especially over some Khmer-Rouge like group conducting a campaign of terror against the workers and peasants.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by Camarada+Jul 24 2005, 03:13 AM--> (Camarada @ Jul 24 2005, 03:13 AM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 03:03 AM
that group is indeed a revisionist charade. the only real communist organization in Nepal is the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), which is leading the masses forward to socialism :)
Oh yeah and 2 + 2 = 5!

god damn those un-maoist revisionists!

:rolleyes:

:sarcasm: [/b]
While a clever little cliche, you have made no real point here. The party I am referring to as revisionist has worked in coalitions with the government, and worker with the government to have members of the CPNM murdered.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:29 AM
It's a reformist workers' party, like most parties in the world calling themselves Communist. Generally the formerly pro-Moscow and pro-Beijing parties seem to be filling the role formerly taken by the social democrats, as the social democrats move further right.

There are a lot of reformist workers' parties in Nepal, some of them pretty large. Some of them call themselves "Marxist-Leninist" or "Maoist"...the guerillas are usually referred to as "the Maoists" because their name is "Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)", that's all.

There probably isn't any revolutionary party (revolutionary in deeds not just words) in Nepal...there isn't in most countries.

But you know what? Give me a workers' organization any day, no matter now reformist and petty-bourgeois its leadership and program, over a purely petty-bourgeois group, no matter now much it waves the red flag...

And especially over some Khmer-Rouge like group conducting a campaign of terror against the workers and peasants.
Your dogmatic reaction tires me sevarian.

The only way that the CPNM could be considered a "purely petty-bourgeois organization" is if you consider subsistence labor peasants to be petty bourgeois, which isn't even a correct analysis since even the land owning peasants in Nepal rarely own enough to feed their families, and are still subject to the land lords.

Equating the masses of Nepal with an organization that is the polar opposite (and referred to Maoists as counter-revolutionaries) of Maoism only testifies to the childishness of your arguements, and their lack of any real objective analysis. But hey, they're both Asian and predominantely composed of peasantry, so they must be the same, right?

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 12:37 AM
[Your dogmatic reaction tires me sevarian.
I really do need to repost my Maoist-to-English dictionary apparently:
Facts: the Truth as revealed by Mao, Avakian, whoever's pope of the MIM, etc.

Dogma: Any statement which conflicts with the Truth as revealed by, etc.

I couldn't care less if you think the Khmer Rouge had the wrong line or whatever. Actions speak louder and the actions of the CPN(M) greatly resemble those of the Shining Path in Peru and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, as I've demonstrated in detail.

[Red Heretic]

Nepal: Maoists Offer Self-Criticism After Bus Bombing



Revolution #009, July 24, 2005, posted at revcom.us

13 June 2005. A World To Win News Service. A terrible tragedy took place 6 June when a landmine destroyed a passenger bus carrying about a hundred people on a road in the Chitwan district of the southern Terai plains region. According to press accounts, 38 civilians were killed and many dozens injured. The next day, the chairman of the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) Comrade Prachanda issued a statement in which he accepted the party’s responsibility for the explosion and offered its self-criticism for what he called a “serious mistake.”

The incident created a huge uproar in Nepal and abroad and prompted many people to ask questions about the Maoist party’s policy toward ordinary people in wartime. The monarchy and its army didn’t lose a minute before accusing the Maoists of deliberately targeting civilians. Human rights and other international organizations and Nepali political parties raised concerns and criticized the bombing. Friends of the revolutionary movement were also disturbed and wanted to know more. Prachanda’s statement began by expressing the party’s “distress and hurt” over the loss of civilian lives and offering condolences to the family members of the dead. He made it very clear that killing civilians—deliberately or even in avoidable accidents—remains completely against party policy. In conclusion, he said that the party is determined that such incidents will not be repeated in the future.

The people’s war being carried out by the Maoist revolutionaries against the enemy of the people is entirely different than the reactionary wars against the people carried out by the imperialists and their stooges. Although the enemy has long accused the Maoist forces of “terrorism,” this is a complete reversal of reality. It is the enemy with its superior weaponry and large military forces that tries to defeat the revolution by widespread terror against the common people. A people’s war follows an opposite logic. The bedrock principle is that the war can be successfully waged only by mobilizing the masses of people and relying on them. A tragedy such as the Bandare Khola bus bombing can only cause serious harm to the revolution by sowing confusion and fear from among the masses.

While some accidents are inevitable in a war, the Maoists in Nepal have had a proud history of protecting ordinary people and placing the highest value on the lives of the masses, sometimes even at the price of the lives of revolutionary fighters. For instance, in the battle at Kapilbastu, when they realized that their shooting would kill innocent masses the fighters held their fire and gave their lives instead. In a recent action in the eastern Siraha district, when the Royal Army began to shoot ordinary people arbitrarily, the PLA opted to retreat to save civilian lives.

In stark contrast, the reactionaries often deliberately kill civilians in an attempt to terrorize them. Even when these deaths are not deliberate, they consider civilian casualties mere “collateral damage.” This is how the U.S. justifies its mass murder of many tens of thousands of civilians in the bombing and invasion of Iraq - and is still the U.S.’s official stand on its nuclear mass murder of the civilian population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The vast majority of the almost 12,000 people killed in the Nepal people’s war against the feudal monarchy that began in 1996 have been civilians murdered by the Royal Army, along with suspected revolutionaries also tortured and murdered. To cite crimes committed by the Royal Army during this current month only, soldiers arrested Dhaba Lama, the district chief of the people’s government, who was unarmed, and killed him in cool blood. Two other accused Maoists were killed in a similar fashion. The Royal Army also captured a revolutionary cultural troupe in the village of Raralihi in western Nepal while they were taking a rest at a house. The king’s soldiers killed the five men troupe members by cutting off their hands and legs. The three women members disappeared.

Following is the complete text of Comrade Prachanda’s statement:

1. We are solemnly distressed and hurt by the explosion of an electric landmine killing a huge number of general masses including supporters and well-wishers of the People’s War at Bandare Khola in Kalyanpur, Chitwan District, on the morning of 6 June 2005. First of all, we offer our whole-hearted condolences to the family members of the deceased.

2. It was a serious mistake on our part that explosives laid by a People’s Liberation Army unit targeting the Royal Army caused huge losses to ordinary people. We also strongly condemn the royal assassins’ evil act of using general masses as a human shield. Our party policy has been not to carry out any military action in any form that targets innocent ordinary people. We would like to make it clear that there has been no change in this policy.

3. We express our serious self-criticism to the broad masses of the people for this incident which went against our party policy and in which there was a huge loss of people. In addition, we would like to make it known that the contingent of the People’s Liberation Army involved in this incident and the party leadership that directly instructed it were suspended immediately.

4. The nature of the incident, which occurred in a context in which all the parliamentarian parties, civil society, and our party were in a struggle for full democracy against the autocratic monarchy and seriously advancing towards positive co-operation, has created a doubt that there might be enemy penetration. This is being investigated and the facts will soon be publicized before the masses.

5. We like to express to the broad masses our determination that we will resolutely act in order that this kind of incident not be repeated in the future.

[viva le revolution]

Makhno does give a good point. At this juncture, only the Maoist guerillas are actively fighting an absolute monarchy in Nepal. the rest just want power under that government structure.
So far then the only complaint against the Maoists is that they commit acts of terror against the populace when it has widely been proven in the case of the royalist foprces.
The stance in media is actually encouraging, i say this at the risk of sounding crazy, but when the bourgeois media depicts you as an incarnation of the devil, it means that you are a great risk to them. you gotta be doing some damage to them for elicit that reaction. Even the world does not like the absolute monarchy in Nepal so i do not see the reformists stance of cooperating with the monarchy as being in any way justified.
Thus the closest thing to communism in Nepal is the Maoist guerillas. But that's just me.

[Severian]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 PM

So far then the only complaint against the Maoists is that they commit acts of terror against the populace when it has widely been proven in the case of the royalist foprces.
Yes, that's the "only" thing. Christ.

[romanm]

Severian,

MIM has no "pope." MIM has openly rejected the persynality cult under current Amerikan conditions. MIM is all about science and line.

MIM, "Downplaying class issues and playing up the role of the individual is the mark of idealist Amerikan politics harking back to the days of the first white settlers. It's something we are going to have to overcome, not accentuate. We see it all the time when people ask for a resume before they start talking politics with you. Instead of saying, "no you are wrong to put biography over substance, " Avakian plays right into Amerikan pragmatist habit. Then he and his followers wonder why he keeps having to repel requests that he abandon his post in favor of a Black leader or other persyn of color. Within the logic of using a persynality cult for revolution, Avakian simply locates it in the wrong place and time."

MIM, "By putting the persynality of its leader ahead of everything else, the RCP=U$A betrays its political bankruptcy. To MIM, by contrast, a communist party's greatest asset is its political line--its very reason for being. Leaders may die, degenerate, even betray the movement, but a party with a correct line will live on. A party with an incorrect line, one that panders to public opinion instead of upholding science, will eventually lose ground despite the services of a charismatic leader."

MIM, "What we can say is that in the majority-exploiter countries without an armed struggle and where the party is not in charge of a predominance of the churches, and we've said this many times before, the party is a body of scientists first and foremost. Other formulations of this question stand on an incorrect understanding of who makes history. It also boils down to understanding the relative strengths and weaknesses of the proletariat relative to the enemy. The enemy dominates the superstructure, especially its emotional side. If we choose to fight as a party on that turf, we emphasize our weakness. Our strength lies in our far-sightedness, the fact that Bu$h spends billions on intelligence, but for any prediction, you are better off reading MIM Notes than listening to Bu$h. The enemy will never match our scientific nimbleness, because capitalism holds back the production and distribution of science in certain predictable ways. We seek to build a credibility gap for the capitalist class."

(Source: http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/wyl/crypto/cults.html)

(Also, check out a RAIL discussion on persynality cults: http://marxleninmao.proboards43.com/index....read=1120261846 (http://marxleninmao.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=MarxtoMaoandbeyond&action=display&thread=1120261846) )

[h&s]

1.these guys oppose the Maoists.
2. They support non-violence.
That doesn't prove anything.
As it happens I agree with you, but just becuase a group is anti-Stalinist and don't use guerilla warfare (the bolsheviks didn't) doesn't mean that they are not communist.


the only real communist organization in Nepal is the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist), which is leading the masses forward to socialism
The day a Maoist group leads the masses towards socialism I'll eat my hat.

[Stellix]

How many members do they have?

[h&s]

Very few at a guess.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:37 PM
How many members do they have?
They being whom?

[Severian]

The various self-described Communist Parties in Nepal? Some of them have a lot of members. They're among the largest political parties in the country and its parliament....the other large party is the Confress Party.

[redmafiosi]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 23 2005, 12:13 PM
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=...3-7-2005_pg4_23 (http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-7-2005_pg4_23)

1.these guys oppose the Maoists.
2. They support non-violence.
3. they support a constitutional monarchy system in the country.


Not really 'communists' in my view, through their stated goals they sound more like reformists willing to establish bourgeois capitalism under a constitutional monarchy. what do you think , comrades?
It's partially correct.Because..................................

There are two different wings of people working side by side in Nepal who call them communists.

01. The Nepalese Communist Party.(A snake without venom which believes in peoples revolution through peaceful election process.)

02. The real marxists. fighting in the hills and forests of Nepal against the Nepalese monarchy under the just leadership of Comrade Baburam Bhattarai and comrade Prachanda.
Right now they control almost one third of the hilly regions of Nepal.


And of course they are true Maoists. They are working for socialism.

[Warren Peace]

But you know what? Give me a workers' organization any day, no matter now reformist and petty-bourgeois its leadership and program, over a purely petty-bourgeois group, no matter now much it waves the red flag...

How can you say that? Thanks to "constituional monarchy", the people of Nepal are some of the poorest people in the entire world! The "royal" Class Enemy in Nepal, the elite 10% of the population, controls 52% percent of the wealth while the rest of the people live in their own shit.

Nepal is the poorest and most illiterate country in Asia. Over half the children have no access to primary school. The water is disgusting and the country's sanitation rate is 5%! 80 children die every day from common diarrhea! And you say Nepalese peasants who take up arms against fascism are "petty-bourgeois"? ;) If that's bourgeois, then who are the proletariat? The cows?

http://www.himalayanchildren.org/Images/nepal/dolma-tsering-B362.jpg

http://www.himalayanchildren.org/Images/nepal/life/life-6.jpg

http://www.himalayanchildren.org/Images/nepal/nyima%20dorje%20B375.jpg

This is how the "petty-bourgeois" of Nepal live. But hey, they have a great view of the Himalayas, right? So who cares if your kids are shot because you oppose the fascist government? Who cares about poverty and starvation? They must be bourgeois!

[viva le revolution]

Originally posted by Severian+Jul 25 2005, 10:15 PM--> (Severian @ Jul 25 2005, 10:15 PM)
viva le [email protected] 24 2005, 03:10 PM

So far then the only complaint against the Maoists is that they commit acts of terror against the populace when it has widely been proven in the case of the royalist foprces.
Yes, that's the "only" thing. Christ. [/b]
There is no proof of any acts of terror the Maoists have committed against the populace. Except for royalist accusations and the media. How are they controlling vast areas of the country if they have peasants oppressed in such inhumane conditions. The maoists are mostly rural guerillas and fight from the countryside. it makes no sense to oppress the people you rely on, to treat them worse than the foe you are fighting. The accusation makes no sense whatsoever. It's easy to think of them as incarnations of stalin or hitler, but is it supported by material proof. The only criticism of them is their ideology(maoism) and the image projected in the media.
I would much rather stand side by side with a Maoist that with a 'communist' who wants a constitutional monarchy.