Why only here?

[Laughing Man]

Sure, I am not a Communist, but I think I can identify with you very well. Why am I limited to just opposing ideologies?

[C_Rasmussen]

I'm thinking its because THEY think that you're a cappie and this site don't like capitalists or if you made a derogatory comment that offends a race, gender, sexual orientation, or other minority then you would be restricted here. Thats just my guess though.

[Laughing Man]

Well I'm certainly not a cappie, and regardless of their opinion of my ideology, I have said nothing to offend anyone.

[Organic Revolution]

its because of this post



Hello everyone,

I'm new here and looking forward to some good debate. I won't hide that I am in fact a Fascist, but I would like to believe at least our enemies are the same, if not our ideology. You certainly can expect me to be more civil than the most of the none-Communists you probably get around here. I have allready distinguished myself on several Communist forums with my gentile decorum. I am always curious about the goings-on of my rivals. I myself, as many Fascists at one point did, spent time as a Communist supporter. Even though the Soviet Union was clearly not as Socialist as it was cracked up to be, I still admire it to a degree and think it had redeeming qualities, mainly its kick-arse natinal hym. I hope I won't be sent off because of your bad experiances with so-called Fascists and other none-Communists. I promise you, we're not all arses like that. We're the dangerous ones because we're not arses.

its because your a fascist, you believe in control of people by one man.

[Laughing Man]

You judge me without even knowing me?

[Organic Revolution]

i dont judge you as a person, i judge your politics.

[A Free Mind]

Dont worry about it Laughing Man they cant stand anyone who disagrees (however politly) with their beliefs. As that man in the white house said "your either for us or against us"

[Organic Revolution]

free mind what are your politics?

[A Free Mind]

Well...its a bit hard to explain. I believe in a socialistic system where by the people are looked after by the government instead of the government looking after big business as happens now. I also believe in the creation of a democracy along the line of ancient Athens (with universal suffrage of course) but in my opinion the only way to achieve these things is through a strong leader who holds unchallenged power and is willing to make the hard decisions to set the system right.

p.s.. I hold out little hope for this to happen, human nature being what it is make it very unlikely

[Organic Revolution]

bassically a fascist.

[A Free Mind]

I dont know do fascists belive in Athenian Democracy?

[KC]

Dont worry about it Laughing Man they cant stand anyone who disagrees (however politly) with their beliefs. As that man in the white house said "your either for us or against us"

This is obviously untrue considering we argue with each other all the time.


I dont know do fascists belive in Athenian Democracy?

Fascism as a transitional state. Which would never work. The leader would never give up his power. What is Athenian Democracy?

[anomaly]

Freemind, you want a leader with unchallenged power. When the state (or a leader) has ultimate power over the people, we have fascism. You are a fascist.

VoiceoftheRiot, you too are a fascist, so why are you surprised that you're restricted?

[A Free Mind]

Athenian democracy=real democracy the leaders have to get the peoples permision to make any moves


This is obviously untrue considering we argue with each other all the time I was talking about how on the main site people will get restricted if they hold views which the admin disagree with

[Seeker]

I was talking about how on the main site people will get restricted if they hold views which the admin disagree with.



Why handcuff a murderer?


To prevent him from doing harm.

[Laughing Man]

Fascism is not absolutism, or transitional or athenian for that matter. We don't hold any illusions of the State simply holding power for some greater future purpose, i.e. Stalinism. To us the quality of the State is an ends on its own.

"I dont know do fascists belive in Athenian Democracy?"

Fascists believe, Democracy, especialy direct Democracy works only in small nations. Big nations simply can't work it. It is a noble and good idea, but would be an organizational nightmare. Not to mention it leaves you vulnerabe to mass tyrany, which is just as bad if not worse and than individual tyrany. Fascism does use a vote, but occupationly and in a representative sense.

"Fascism as a transitional state. Which would never work. The leader would never give up his power."

Fascism is not a transitional State. Yes, we feel some reforms will come over time in the State. But these do not call for the elite giving up power. There power is what the regime is based on.

"Freemind, you want a leader with unchallenged power. When the state (or a leader) has ultimate power over the people, we have fascism. You are a fascist. "

Not every tin despot is a Fascist. Fascism has a complex philosophy behind it. Neither is Fascism the rule of man. One main leader yes, but he could never do it all. As history shows us, power should be spread among multiple leaders to be effective.

"VoiceoftheRiot, you too are a fascist, so why are you surprised that you're restricted?"

On the Fasicst forum we don't restrict people just for being anti-Fascists.

"To prevent him from doing harm."

Criminals can earn forgivness. If not, why lock them up when bullets are so cheap?

[Organic Revolution]

has there ever been a good fascist leader?

[KC]

Fascism is not absolutism, or transitional or athenian for that matter. We don't hold any illusions of the State simply holding power for some greater future purpose, i.e. Stalinism. To us the quality of the State is an ends on its own.

Your friend is a fascist that believes in Athenian Democracy. That was who my post was mainly aimed at.



Fascists believe, Democracy, especialy direct Democracy works only in small nations. Big nations simply can't work it. It is a noble and good idea, but would be an organizational nightmare. Not to mention it leaves you vulnerabe to mass tyrany, which is just as bad if not worse and than individual tyrany.

Then why not split up big nations into many small ones? Or how about not having nations and having soviets with direct democracy? Tyranny of the majority is nowhere near tyranny itself. This is a completely moronic statement.



Fascism is not a transitional State. Yes, we feel some reforms will come over time in the State. But these do not call for the elite giving up power. There power is what the regime is based on.

Again, that wasn't directed at you.



Not every tin despot is a Fascist. Fascism has a complex philosophy behind it. Neither is Fascism the rule of man. One main leader yes, but he could never do it all. As history shows us, power should be spread among multiple leaders to be effective.


Yes one leader and many under him. He gets everybody else to do the work while he sits around above his people doing nothing. Fuck off, this argument is completely invalid. And yes "every tin despot is a Fascist."



On the Fasicst forum we don't restrict people just for being anti-Fascists.

You are restricted because you are a fascist. The rest of the forum is for communists to debate with each other. Bringing non-communists into communist debates ruins communist debates, genius. Plus, your ideology is opposed to ours so you're restricted to opposing ideologies.



Criminals can earn forgivness. If not, why lock them up when bullets are so cheap?

THis is completely irrelevent.


has there ever been a good fascist leader?

Yes......I'd love to know who this is.....

[Laughing Man]

"Your friend is a fascist that believes in Athenian Democracy. That was who my post was mainly aimed at."

"Again, that wasn't directed at you."

Sorry. I just love butting in.

"Then why not split up big nations into many small ones? Or how about not having nations and having soviets with direct democracy? Tyranny of the majority is nowhere near tyranny itself. This is a completely moronic statement."

It's a philosophic thing. We are Nationalists. We build our ideas around the nation. We feel regional government is obsolete. Occupational government is the wave of the future. What you feel is tyrany and I feel is tyrany can differ. There is no absolute definetion after all. Only two kinds of people have a real reason or right to define what is abusive. The elite, and those revolting against the elite. You shouldn't go around calling things moronic like you know everything.

"Yes one leader and many under him. He gets everybody else to do the work while he sits around above his people doing nothing. Fuck off, this argument is completely invalid. And yes "every tin despot is a Fascist.""

I come, essentialy with a white flag and you tell me to fuck off? Where do you guys get off? Why is my argument invalid just because I'm not a Communist? What makes you feel worthy to put words in my mouth? Why do fools fall in love?

"You are restricted because you are a fascist. The rest of the forum is for communists to debate with each other. Bringing non-communists into communist debates ruins communist debates, genius. Plus, your ideology is opposed to ours so you're restricted to opposing ideologies."

I understand what your'e getting at. I went to many Communist forums in the past and was disgusted at how the none-Communists were having. They give anti-Communism a realy bad name. But never once did I ruin a good Communist debate. I joined in and gave my rousing two cents, of which they were gratefull. I even agreed with them a good bit. We were all united agaisnt Capitalism ,which sucks away brotherhood and unity. Why restrict me unless you are prejudiced? Is it perhaps that me, not being your regular cappie arse, is actualy dangerous to your movement.

"THis is completely irrelevent."

You have no sense of humor.

"Yes......I'd love to know who this is....."

A good question as always. I guess if I lived during that time, and assuming I didn't know how history was to transpire, either Fascist Mussolini or Pro-Fascist Hitler would have looked very apealing to me. Though admitedly, botth had serious flaws, especialy Hitler, who was stupidly racist. I guess Mussolini wasn't that bad, though I don't worship him. Fascism doesn't claim to be flawless. It can adapt like all sane movements to suit modern needs, but can always make mistakes. Was there ever a good Socialist State? The Socialists I've met say no.

[LSD]

You were restricted because you are a self-admitted fascist. It is board policy to restrict all cappies, fascists, and preachers to Opposing Ideologies to ensure that all discussions in the other forums are not bogged down by perpetual "communism vs. capitalism" or "democracy vs. fascism" debates.

Oh, and one more thing...

DO NOT MAKE POSTS ABOUT RESTRICTIONS (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=22496)