Che associated with drugs? [Archive]

Colombia

24th July 2005, 05:48

People need to stop thinking that Che smoked marijuana. All he ever smoked were the cigars and that is it. Although the fact that they would sell a weed symbol at the Che Store doesn't help.

Urban Guerrilla

24th July 2005, 05:49

He also, but very rarely, smoked cigarettes :che:

bed_of_nails

24th July 2005, 09:09

I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...

LSD

24th July 2005, 09:48

Che (that I know of) didn't associate or have anything to do with drugs

Don't tell that to CyM! :lol:

Anarcho-Communist

25th July 2005, 06:18

Quote from Ernesto "Che" Guevara

I don't drink, I smoke. I would
cease to be a man if I didn't
like women; I would cease to
be a revolutionary if for this or
that reason I did not fulfill my
revolutionary duties to the end.

Page 258, The Che Handbook

Reading that, I would somehow think he stared clear of drugs. :lol:

Anarcho-Communist

25th July 2005, 06:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:09 PM
I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...
Che took up smoking cigars when he reached Cuba, claiming it helped his asthma and repelled mosquitoes.

Page 83, The Che Handbook

Organic Revolution

25th July 2005, 06:34

Originally posted by Anarcho-Communist+Jul 24 2005, 11:20 PM--> (Anarcho-Communist @ Jul 24 2005, 11:20 PM)
[email protected] 24 2005, 08:09 PM
I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...
Che took up smoking cigars when he reached Cuba, claiming it helped his asthma and repelled mosquitoes.

Page 83, The Che Handbook [/b]
hmm that makes no sense. smoking to cure asthma

bed_of_nails

25th July 2005, 06:50

Originally posted by rise up+Jul 24 2005, 10:34 PM--> (rise up @ Jul 24 2005, 10:34 PM)
Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 24 2005, 11:20 PM

[email protected] 24 2005, 08:09 PM
I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...
Che took up smoking cigars when he reached Cuba, claiming it helped his asthma and repelled mosquitoes.

Page 83, The Che Handbook
hmm that makes no sense. smoking to cure asthma [/b]
Thats like lighting yourself on fire to get rid of a sunburn...

Urban Guerrilla

25th July 2005, 06:50

I'd think it was a placebo effect :che:

Anarcho-Communist

25th July 2005, 08:00

Although it might have got rid of his severe asthma attacks, although I strongly think that it wouldn't prevent it, but increase his chances.

zendo

25th July 2005, 08:02

Che Guevara was absolutely against drugs. Furthermore Che Guevara was such a disciplined individual that he wanted to outlaw Rum in CUbA. hahahaha

But of course they did not outlaw Rum in Cuba. But as far as the Marijuana is concerned he absolutely did not do drugs, sorry all you Rastas lol Che was not into drugs.

MoscowFarewell

25th July 2005, 20:07

You have to remember tho, the cigars in cuba aren't like normal cigars.

25th July 2005, 20:20

Che was taught ever since he was a child not to let his asthma keep him from doing anything.

Anarcho-Communist

25th July 2005, 20:53

Cuba makes the best cigars around, if you want to somke a good one, get a Cuban one. The scent they put off is amazing. :lol:

Clarksist

25th July 2005, 21:05

I don't drink, I smoke. I would
cease to be a man if I didn't
like women; I would cease to
be a revolutionary if for this or
that reason I did not fulfill my
revolutionary duties to the end.

That whole machismo thing bothers me. "I would cease to be a man if I didn't like women;" what a homophobic thing for someone to say... damn that is really starting to piss me off.

As far as no drugs, I don't see why the fuck not. Especially something like pot which is scientifically linked to stimulating Alpha brainwaves which are linked to creativity.

zendo

25th July 2005, 21:12

Clarkyst but as far as Che goes he was very very disciplined and also he wanted to outlaw RUM in CUBA because he said it was counter productive to the Revolution. So naturally he was against all drug use.

And out of all drugs Weed is the laziest of all lol

Imagine a REvolutionary Vanguard that smokes weed lol

Nothing would ever get done :lol:

and as far as his comment on liking the ladies, I don't think he meant it in a machismo way, he was just posing his personal opinion.

MoscowFarewell

25th July 2005, 21:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 08:05 PM

That whole machismo thing bothers me. "I would cease to be a man if I didn't like women;" what a homophobic thing for someone to say... damn that is really starting to piss me off.
You have to remember, the ideal man was a man with a woman then. I'm sure he wasn't a homophobe, just maybe that he thought they were femme.

Clarksist

25th July 2005, 21:23

And out of all drugs Weed is the laziest of all lol

Imagine a REvolutionary Vanguard that smokes weed lol

But think of a Revolutionary Vanguard (for you Leninists) that snorts crystal meth. Now THAT would be a clean and fast Vanguard.

The "sXe" thing with some anarchists and communists today is just stupid. But that's a WHOLE other discussion.

You have to remember, the ideal man was a man with a woman then. I'm sure he wasn't a homophobe, just maybe that he thought they were femme.

You have to remember, however, that the whole Cuban revolution had a VERY big machismo factor.

MoscowFarewell

25th July 2005, 21:26

I don't believe so, it just has to be seen this way. A majority of fighters have always eyed that a real man was a man who fought for what was best, with all the women at their side. Which is why most military personnel seem right wing. And not to mention, Che does seem to place the image of a manly man. That's the point he was trying to put in place it seems. The beard, the smoking, and the hardened look in some photos.

violencia.Proletariat

25th July 2005, 21:32

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+Jul 25 2005, 01:50 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ Jul 25 2005, 01:50 AM)
Originally posted by rise [email protected] 24 2005, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 24 2005, 11:20 PM

[email protected] 24 2005, 08:09 PM
I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...
Che took up smoking cigars when he reached Cuba, claiming it helped his asthma and repelled mosquitoes.

Page 83, The Che Handbook
hmm that makes no sense. smoking to cure asthma
Thats like lighting yourself on fire to get rid of a sunburn... [/b]
it depends on how bad you have it. i have asthma and smoking wouldnt give me an asthma attack

bed_of_nails

26th July 2005, 06:00

Originally posted by nate+Jul 25 2005, 01:32 PM--> (nate @ Jul 25 2005, 01:32 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 24 2005, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 24 2005, 11:20 PM

[email protected] 24 2005, 08:09 PM
I never understood why someone with Athsma smoked cigars...
Che took up smoking cigars when he reached Cuba, claiming it helped his asthma and repelled mosquitoes.

Page 83, The Che Handbook
hmm that makes no sense. smoking to cure asthma
Thats like lighting yourself on fire to get rid of a sunburn...
it depends on how bad you have it. i have asthma and smoking wouldnt give me an asthma attack [/b]
If your lungs go into bouts where they are far from optimal condition, why would you want to make this worse?

Thats just fucking stupid.

Clarksist

26th July 2005, 06:13

And not to mention, Che does seem to place the image of a manly man. That's the point he was trying to put in place it seems. The beard, the smoking, and the hardened look in some photos.

That doesn't make it okay to be homophobic. It seems EXTREMELY homophobic to say someone's true identity lies in their sexuality. It seems to minimalize the person of a homosexual.

MoscowFarewell

26th July 2005, 20:45

I am just saying, he is trying to act like a man, but is not neceesarily homophobic. I've been saying the entire time he may not be.

Urban Guerrilla

27th July 2005, 03:50

It sounds like Che is kind of old fashioned :che:

coda

27th July 2005, 04:31

Che was an exemplary revolutionary.

I think what they meant by "do you like women" was to imply "do you have equal respect for women" as in should they be an equal part of the revolution. And I think his reply was moreless to be taken as "Yes, I would not be human,--- humane, if I didn't"

that's how I always read it.

MoscowFarewell

27th July 2005, 05:19

That's a quiet a view point and I can understand that Indigo. Human and humane can be considered the same idea, even if usually they are meant in seperate verses as Human is the species and Humane is the act, but that word Human can stand for both that we are the same physically and mentally, on all levels.

cult.45

27th July 2005, 05:36

My opinion is that it was just that era. homosexuality was just something to didnt talk about or dare to accept at that time.

Anarcho-Communist

27th July 2005, 06:05

Times, have changed with homosexuality now days. Learn to accept homosexuals, it's just there choice in relationship. What happened to the topic Che associated with drugs??!?!??!?!

cubalibra

27th July 2005, 17:22

No way was Che on drugs. He did drink in his youth, as was seen in the motorcycle diaries. Cuban cigars and yerba mate for Che!

left wing player

27th July 2005, 18:09

I'm damned sure they smoked Marihuana during the revolution.... So what? It keeps your brains clear and brightens your sight specialy in the night!!!
They even ones chew on coke leaves, because they didn't had anything to eat.
A revolutionary farmer hand them the coka leaves while they were hiding from the yankees!!!!

Urban Guerrilla

27th July 2005, 18:40

I heard that they chewed on coke leaves to help breathing :che:

Clarksist

27th July 2005, 22:40

Originally posted by left wing [email protected] 27 2005, 11:09 AM
I'm damned sure they smoked Marihuana during the revolution.... So what? It keeps your brains clear and brightens your sight specialy in the night!!!
They even ones chew on coke leaves, because they didn't had anything to eat.
A revolutionary farmer hand them the coka leaves while they were hiding from the yankees!!!!
That's hilarious. If I'm a guerrilla fighter ever, I will now have to specifically ask for coke leaves.

The thing about smoking pot to brighten eye sight, sometimes it goes "over board."

I was outside a few weeks ago by a river. Me and my friend toked up and as we were walking away we couldn't see as everything turned to white.

That might hurt aiming a bit. ;)

Vallegrande

28th July 2005, 00:06

Even if Che did not do marijuana, or coca, he associated with people who were most definitely. Actually, didn't Che do coca leaves in the mountains where it was tradition to do? I saw in Motorcycle Diaries movie he was chewing leaves with Alberto as a courtesy to the people living there.

I was reading in "Che: Rev. Life" that the marijuana smugglers knew the ins and outs of the Sierra Maestra, and it was them who greatly helped the guerrillas in Cuba.

Another part I am trying to find out is that Che wanted to start revolutions in all these places where coca was native. Could he have known that the US was in on the drug game?

Overall, even if Che wasn't any of those, he knew that people had their own traditions.

Major. Rudiger

28th July 2005, 05:39

Sure cannabis (the proper word for the plant... not some cheap mexican tobacco <-Marijuana) could help you with your night vision, but sure the hell wont with your aiming or you seeing shit. Like the bushs well play with your minds... :unsure: But sure you can fix your aiming with the right dosage of coca leaves....

Arnt we forgeting that tobacco is a drug to and it stimulants the brain. So I would say yes Che did do some drugs... and a hard drug may I add.... But most likely he didnt do any mind atlering drugs becuase it would be problem if they had to fight.

MoscowFarewell

28th July 2005, 07:12

Guys, Cuban cigars are illegal for quiet a few many reasons in the States for the supposed fact they have certain drugs related to Cannibas in them.

Vallegrande

28th July 2005, 07:38

I never knew Cuban cigars had that. :) President Kennedy must have been happy.

left wing player

28th July 2005, 14:35

amaru

18th August 2005, 15:09

Che used to buy cigars from my father's kiosk in Montevideo when he was in Uruguay. My father met him many times, clean-shaven and dressed in suits.

Carmen

30th August 2005, 17:42

I wonder: what's wrong with smoking cannabis??? Even chewing coca leaves... The inca's did it thousends of years ago, i don't see the problem...
If you ever been to Amsterdam, you know what you can buy with canabis in it, cookies, thee, cake and so on.... For sure if everybody smoked canabis there would not be so much shit in this world.....

It causes irrational paranoia, and pollutes your mind. No one should smoke that shit. My great cousin smokes a ton of the stuff and he keeps 'seeing devils,' it screws your head up, he's in and out of frickin mental asylums, believe it or not he 'used' to be normal. You don't need drugs, and don't ever think you do. Only fools smoke weed and do drugs. Who cares if it's 'all the rage in Amsterdam', they'll be paying in a few years time for their mistakes just like my great cousin. psh...

themanwhodoesnotexist

30th August 2005, 20:14

PEACE
weed isn't a drug....
and Castro would be very wise to start growing weed in Cuba in mass.....

Vallegrande

30th August 2005, 21:11

Carmen, that is just one account (your cousin's). Is that really the only thing he does is smoke pot? From what I read, it seems that he is on some kind of white drug. The way you described it sounds like the "reefer madness" from the early 1900's.

workersunity

31st August 2005, 04:47

ya being creative in making a new pipe or bong, or new things to eat, whenever you are high, you dont do shit, just lazy as hell

hasilto

1st September 2005, 06:28

the legend of che is one of the biggest shams of all time

look it up yourselves, if you have the balls

Marxmaniac

1st September 2005, 06:47

It makes me sick as a communist that this coward is supposed to be our symbol.

He doesn't represent me.

amaru

1st September 2005, 16:15

Hasilto and Marxmaniac, even if you had some balls u wouldn't achieve what Che did in both your lifetimes. Get the hell off the site. Thank you.

Hiero

3rd September 2005, 18:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 05:30 PM
Guys, Cuban cigars are illegal for quiet a few many reasons in the States for the supposed fact they have certain drugs related to Cannibas in them.
No they don't. They are 100% tabacco like all cigars. They are the worlds best because of the tabacco plant and technique.

The are purely illegal for political reasons.

Lord Testicles

3rd September 2005, 19:36

If Che was associated with drugs would it really matter it wouldnt change what he did

谢梓唯

4th September 2005, 01:44

People have to talk. And that's when this thing called "Gossip" begins! I believe Che's drug abuse get started that way!

Redmau5

4th September 2005, 22:37

Alberto Granado quite clearly stated in his journals that he and Che chewed coca leaves while travelling around various parts of Latin America.

谢梓唯

5th September 2005, 01:28

Tons of people around the globe drink Coca Cola. Is that what you're trying to argue about?

Defining a person doesn't rest on drugs。

patria grande

5th September 2005, 01:50

I believe it doesn´t really matter if Ché used drugs. His legacy won´t be destroyed if that´s the truth.

The coca leaves are used (chewed or in tea) by many people in South America and is not considered a drug as crack or cocaine.

谢梓唯

5th September 2005, 01:57

That's right, patria.
And I've heard that Shakspear might be a drug abuser too.

Dark Exodus

7th September 2005, 20:32

Anyone who has read one of his plays can confirm that :lol:

谢梓唯

8th September 2005, 08:27

If he really took drugs, I don't think he would ever be brave enough to admit or even imply that in any of his plays. Scientists from South Africa has discovered Cocain in the cigarrets he had smoked, which might be a proof of his drug abuse.

Now things are getting funny here. Why's it so important to probe into one's private life? I mean, can't you see we are all flawed by life?

I hope the joke's not on me. But if so, I am willing to take it. After all, no matter what Che has done, I still think he is a great man. Something just cannot be changed. :(