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resisting arrest with violence
21st July 2005, 23:55
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/...reut/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/21/chavez.us.reut/index.html)

Warren Peace
22nd July 2005, 02:45
Go Chavez!

praxis1966
22nd July 2005, 05:17
I fucking hate my home state. Between Rosewood, the assassination of Harry T. Moore, Disneyworld, Ted Bundy, Elian Gonzalez, not knowing how to count, school vouchers, modern slavery, and now this fascist Connie Mack, it's a living hell down here. I wish the whole place would just get washed into the ocean by a hurricane or something.

coda
22nd July 2005, 05:35
and Daniel Rollings and the Gainesville student murders.

Telesur:
http://www.oneworld.net/external/?url=http...ml%3Fid%3D86997 (http://www.oneworld.net/external/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsemana2.terra.com.co%2Fopencms%2 Fopencms%2FSemana%2Farticulo.html%3Fid%3D86997)



Is Venezuela the new Cuba?

http://www.oneworld.net/external/?url=http...hp%3Fart%3D2571 (http://www.oneworld.net/external/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nacla.org%2Fart_display.php% 3Fart%3D2571)

cormacobear
22nd July 2005, 06:11
International rights groups have accused Chavez of restricting press freedom in Venezuela by threatening his media critics and passing a law that regulates TV and radio content.

How can you blame him look how the CIA used Chile's free press against Allende.

Andy Bowden
22nd July 2005, 14:00
The media was planning a coup d'etat against him - if anythign Chavez is being too soft on his opponents. Very few people were arrested for the attempted coup.

viva le revolution
22nd July 2005, 19:04
Given the sitution, free press is not thing i would be too supportive of in venezuela.

Warren Peace
22nd July 2005, 19:15
Hugo Chavez rox, he's the Nelson Mandela of Venezuela (only Chavez is a socialist, so even better than Mandela).


The media was planning a coup d'etat against him

In Venezuela, the three main forces in the US-backed coup against Chavez a few years ago were:

-Big business (Fedecamaras)
-Corrupt elements of the military (like the "metrpolitan police")
-The right-wing media

I wouldn't say the media was planning the coup, but they had a big part in it.


if anythign Chavez is being too soft on his opponents. Very few people were arrested for the attempted coup.

Given the sitution, free press is not thing i would be too supportive of in venezuela.

You're right comrades, Chavez is being too soft on his opponets. I don't think the press needs to be restriced though, the people widely support Chavez and don't listen to that capitalist bullshit anyway. Though resitricting it might help...

enigma2517
23rd July 2005, 06:10
Yeah the media did some crazy coverage of the events leading up to the coup. They actually provoked a lot of it and tricked people into believing numerous false things about the current events of that time.

You should all watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (2003)

A massive amount of people were marching in support of Chavez and a smaller group was counteracting the march. The two almost clashed when the anti-Chavez protesters tried to march on the Presidential palace. At some point, sniper began picking off Chavez supports. Since about 1 in 4 Venezulans carry handguns they began returning fire. The media only showed one crap ass angle of the whole thing going down, making it look like those firing back were actually firing at anti-Chavez protesters that were marching under the bridge. It becomes clearly obvious that this never happened since another camera angle shows us that the street below was deserted and those firing were ducking for cover and aiming upwards (towards buildings I presume). Anyway, thats just an example of "freedom of press".

Chavez regularly holds a radio program where people can call in and ask questions. He even takes some questions directly from right wing media. I'll remain cynical, but say that he's not anymore "anti-freedom" than any major republic out there. Freedom of the press gets limited when it becomes flat out lying (slander/libel). The way the media behaved was clearly manipulative to a detestable degree.

Seeker
23rd July 2005, 07:19
You should all watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"

<_< :rolleyes:

mo7amEd
23rd July 2005, 12:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:10 AM
You should all watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (2003)
Is that a movie or something?

Andy Bowden
23rd July 2005, 12:51
The rightist media in Venezuela was appaling - and the revolution will not be televised is excellent. The media was saying "Our President (Chavez) has a sexual fixation with Fidel Castro" :o

And they were portraying Chavez supporters with guns as firing on civilians, when they were shooting at snipers.

deLoner
23rd July 2005, 13:52
"He is a threat to the United States and stands to undermine the balance of power in the Western Hemisphere," said Mack, a member of the House International Relations Committee.

Exactly what we need: to shake the twisted balance of power we have got today..

resisting arrest with violence
23rd July 2005, 19:05
Originally posted by mo7amEd+Jul 23 2005, 11:24 AM--> (mo7amEd @ Jul 23 2005, 11:24 AM)
[email protected] 23 2005, 05:10 AM
You should all watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (2003)
Is that a movie or something? [/b]
Yes it is. It is a very good documentary.Check the review by Roger Ebert:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../310310305/1023 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031031/REVIEWS/310310305/1023)

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised


BY ROGER EBERT / October 31, 2003

Was the United States a shadowy presence in the background of the aborted coup in Venezuela in 2002? The democratically elected government of Hugo Chavez was briefly overthrown by a cabal of rich businessmen and Army officers, shortly after their representatives had been welcomed in the White House. Oh, the United States denied any involvement in the episode; there&#39;s Colin Powell on TV, forthrightly professing innocence. But earlier we heard ominous rumblings from Jesse Helms, Ari Fleischer and George Tenet, agreeing that Chavez was no friend of the United States, and after the coup, there was no expression of dismay from Washington, no announcement that we would work to restore the elected government.

Why was Chavez not our friend? It all comes down to oil, as it so often does these days. Venezuela is the fourth largest oil-producing nation in the world, and much of its oil comes to the United States. Its price has been guaranteed by the cooperation of the nation&#39;s ruling class. Chavez was elected primarily by the poor. He asked a simple question: Since the oil wells have always been nationalized and the oil belongs to the state, why do the profits flow directly to the richest, whitest 20 percent of the population, while being denied to the poorer, darker 80 percent? His plan was to distribute the profits equally among all Venezuelans.

This was, you may agree, a fair and obvious solution. But not to the 20 percent, of course. And not to other interested parties, including our friends the Saudis, whose people get poorer as the sheiks get richer. Charging Chavez with being a communist who wanted to bring Castroism to Venezuela, the rich and powerful staged a coup on April 12, 2002. Chavez was put under arrest and held on an island, and the millionaire businessman Pedro Carmona was sworn in as president. This was in violation of the constitution, but he blandly assured TV audiences he was in power because "of a mandate better than any referendum." There was no disagreement from Washington.

Incredibly, the coup failed. Hundreds of thousands of Chavez supporters surrounded the presidential palace, and the loyal presidential guard put the interlopers under arrest. Although the state-run Channel 8 was taken off the air and the private channels told lies and showed falsified news footage, Venezuelans learned from CNN and other cable channels that Chavez had not resigned and a coup had taken place; they demanded his return, and a few days later he arrived by helicopter at the presidential palace and resumed office.

These events are recounted in "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," a remarkable documentary by two Irish filmmakers that is playing in theaters on its way to HBO. It is remarkable because the filmmakers, Kim Bartley and Donnacha O&#39;Briain, had access to virtually everything that happened within the palace during the entire episode. They happened to be in Caracas to make a doc about Chavez, they had access to his cabinet meetings, they were inside the palace under siege, they faced a tense deadline after which it would be bombed, they stayed after Chavez gave himself up to prevent the bombing, they filmed the new government, and there are astonishing shots such as the one where Chavez&#39;s men, now back in power, go down to the basement to confront coup leaders who have been taken prisoner. Why no one on either side thought to question the presence of the TV crew is a mystery, but they got an inside look at the coup -- before, during and after -- that is unique in film history.

Film can be made to lie. Consider footage shown on the private TV channels to justify the coup. Learning that the right wing was sponsoring a protest march against Chavez, his supporters also marched on the palace. Scuffles broke out, and then concealed snipers began to fire on the Chavez crowd. Some in the crowd fired back. Although the dead and wounded were Chavez supporters, the private TV showed footage of them firing, and said they were firing at the anti-Chavez protest march. Bartley and O&#39;Briain use footage of the same moment, from another angle, to show that there is no protest march in view, and that the fire is aimed at snipers above the parade route. That this deception was deliberate is confirmed by a producer for the private TV channels, who resigned in protest and explains how the footage was falsified. (Private TV did have one interesting slip; in a talk show the morning after the coup, one of its elated leaders talks frankly about the plan to disrupt the Chavez march and overthrow the government, while others on the program look like they&#39;d like to throttle him.) If private TV lied to the nation in support of the coup, the doc itself is clearly biased in favor of Chavez -- most clearly so in depicting his opponents. When the right-wing leaders are introduced, it&#39;s in slo-mo, with ominous music and funereal drums. He may have articulate opponents in Venezuela, but the only ones we see are inane society people who warn each other, "watch your servants&#33;" Does everyone on the right in Venezuela dress like (a) an undertaker, (b) a military officer, or &copy; a disco guest circa 1990? Interestingly, there was relative civility on both sides. Chavez and his cabinet were arrested, but not harmed. After Chavez regained power, he said there would be no "witch hunt" of those who opposed him; although Carmona fled to Miami, several of the coup&#39;s military leaders (stripped of rank) remained in Venezuela and still continue as members of the opposition. This shows remarkable confidence on the part of Chavez, and a commitment to the democratic process.

It is of course impossible to prove that the coup was sponsored by the CIA or any other U.S. agency. But what was the White House thinking when it welcomed two anti-government leaders who soon after were instrumental in the coup? Not long ago, reviewing another film, I wrote about the CIA-sponsored overthrow of Chile&#39;s democratically elected president Salvador Allende. I got a lot of e-mail telling me the CIA had nothing to do with it. For anyone who believes that, I have a bridge I&#39;d like to sell them.

Note: The last words in George Orwell&#39;s notebook were: "At age 50, every man has the face he deserves." Although it is outrageously unfair and indefensibly subjective of me, I cannot prevent myself from observing that Chavez and his cabinet have open, friendly faces, quick to smile, and that the faces of his opponents are closed, shifty, hardened.

codyvo
23rd July 2005, 21:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 04:17 AM
I fucking hate my home state. Between Rosewood, the assassination of Harry T. Moore, Disneyworld, Ted Bundy, Elian Gonzalez, not knowing how to count, school vouchers, modern slavery, and now this fascist Connie Mack, it&#39;s a living hell down here. I wish the whole place would just get washed into the ocean by a hurricane or something.
You forgot the occasional kidnapping that seems to only plague Florida, I say it plagues Florida because I love my state, just not the people in it.

resisting arrest with violence
23rd July 2005, 21:45
I live in Florida too.

praxis1966
23rd July 2005, 23:22
You (codyvo) must be from South Florida then. Up here in the Panhandle it&#39;s been torturous. Panama Shitty has a ratio of people to churches that is 12 to 1. I remember getting made fun of and beaten up in elementary school for being a vegetarian, and the societal ostracision hasn&#39;t stopped since. It&#39;s been a veritable hell, and I&#39;m elated that I&#39;ll soon be moving to the SF/Bay area in the next few months.

mo7amEd
24th July 2005, 00:19
Originally posted by resisting arrest with violence+Jul 23 2005, 06:05 PM--> (resisting arrest with violence @ Jul 23 2005, 06:05 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 11:24 AM

[email protected] 23 2005, 05:10 AM
You should all watch "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (2003)
Is that a movie or something?
Yes it is. It is a very good documentary.Check the review by Roger Ebert:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../310310305/1023 (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031031/REVIEWS/310310305/1023)

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised


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I gotta see it&#33;

rikaguilera
24th July 2005, 01:34
Chavez is doing the right thing, and he has my support. I have tried to find some kind of alternative info on what has been going on down there, but have not had any luck. I would love to sign on to any kind of email or letter, that would be sent to politicians (Fl. rep) to show that they have no bussiness trying to corrupt other govts. Something.. This, like the political unrest in Mexico, is something to watch. An event that could use more "honest" global attention. The bravado and arrogance of the U.S. needs to be broadcast everytime it is used in an abusive manner.
I would like some more info though if anybody has links that are updated regularly.

bolshevik butcher
24th July 2005, 16:15
So much for cnn being the commie station eh? That report makes chavez looks like a bit of a nut. Venezuela is the bggest thing going on in the world at the moment for socialism, we should all campagin to keep the US out of it.