The Empire Is Struck Back

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[bunk]

Fucking bastard. You're going down this time

[Organic Revolution]

do you have a problem, rawv. why do you claim to support these things when you know damn well you dont and you are just pissing people off.

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Originally posted by rise [email protected] 21 2005, 03:27 PM
do you have a problem, rawv. why do you claim to support these things when you know damn well you dont and you are just pissing people off.
Where in all of this thread do you find the words "I support" "I condone" "I am in sympathy with"?

Fuck you and leave me the fuck alone.

[Organic Revolution]

i dont need to leave you alone cause this is the internet. but i have to bring up how you said you supported the terror attacks last time... what are you going back on your word now?

[mo7amEd]

did he support the terror attacks?

[Organic Revolution]

the last one

[Che1990]

Yeah, look in the LONDON thread.

[Che1990]

7/7 thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=37658)

[Free Palestine]

If news took over all media broadcasting everytime an explosion occured in Iraq or Afghanistan that killed 50 or 100 innocent civilians there'd be no return to regular programming.. yet a minor explosion in London, which injured one person and did not inflict any deaths, is breaking news which consumes all programming.

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Originally posted by Free [email protected] 21 2005, 07:22 PM
If news took over all media broadcasting everytime an explosion occured in Iraq or Afghanistan that killed 50 or 100 innocent civilians there'd be no return to regular programming.. yet a minor explosion in London, which injured one person and did not inflict any deaths, is breaking news which consumes all programming.
Right. Just like Chomsky says: When they do it to us it is a crime. When we do it to them it is not.

[Warren Peace]

Right. Just like Chomsky says: When they do it to us it is a crime. When we do it to them it is not.

Killing civilians is a crime not matter who does it. Just because imperialists kill more civilians than anyone else does not make it okay for anti-imperialists to kill civilians back. You could turn that statement around and use it to defend innocent deaths at the hands of imperialism.

I agree that an attack on Britain is well called for, but it should be directed against the Class Enemy, the government and military, not innocent Working Class people. You could argue that the people of Britain are at fault because they reelected Tony Blair even after he sent troops to join the imperialist war against the Iraqi people. Even with that logic however, the attacks aren't fair, because the victims of the last attack included people from Sierra Leone, Australia, Portugal, Poland and China. The attacks were directed against the international working class, not the real enemy who is responsible for imperialist terror and genocide in the Middle East.

[TC]

The UK is the aggressor in a war, it should expect that Iraqis and people sympathetic to the Iraqi cause would retailate against it according to the means they have available. You can't seperate this type of thing from the war in Iraq, it is part of the war in Iraq and part of the Iraqi side's strategy for defending Iraq against the UK's aggression.

Its upsetting when people die...but lets remember that *no one* was really hurt (or, maybe one person was mildly hurt it seemed unclear). The police chief might like hearing himself say "Clearly the intention must have been to kill. You do not do this with another intention." but he doesn't know that and clearly there have been plenty of bombings that were intended simply to cause disruption and protest. The desired effect might have been even to hurt the UK economy by reducing tourism since two events is many times more threatening to tourists and investors then an isolated event.

In any case i think "Fucking bastard. You're going down this time" is a serious overreaction to what rawv said. If this had happened anywhere else, including NYC (does anyone remember the grenade explosions near the British consulate in NYC, didn't think so :-p), it would have been a forgettable thing.


The attacks were directed against the international working class, not the real enemy who is responsible for imperialist terror and genocide in the Middle East.

So if the bombs were in a bus full of police officers or soldiers or British diplomats or at Downing Street or Westminster Palace, you'd have been all 'yay for the terrorists!'? Or, do you just have some residual loyality to the imperialist states and nations?

[Warren Peace]

So if the bombs were in a bus full of police officers or soldiers or British diplomats or at Downing Street or Westminster Palace, you'd have been all 'yay for the terrorists!'?

Yes, in fact, I would have! Even if a few civilians were killed by accident, any attack directed against the imperialists themselves would have my support. The people behind these attacks clearly made no effort at all to attack the real enemy, innocent people were the obvious targets.


Or, do you just have some residual loyality to the imperialist states and nations?

Hey now, that's not very nice, you might as well call me a fucking asshole. :P I wouldn't suggest that about you or anyone else on this forum.

[TC]

I'm sorry then, i really wasn't sure.

[Clarksist]

Yes, in fact, I would have! Even if a few civilians were killed by accident, any attack directed against the imperialists themselves would have my support. The people behind these attacks clearly made no effort at all to attack the real enemy, innocent people were the obvious targets.


Even if they had bombed the government buildings, wouldn't that still be them just taking advantage of a situation? I mean its pretty stupid to not even give the authority a chance to hand of power. At least that way, they have it "coming to them".

Besides, most government workers aren't exactly the bourgeoisie class. So most of whom you would be attacking are people just trying to feed their families, and who may even be Lefties. But its funny how people change when they have a family to feed.


If news took over all media broadcasting everytime an explosion occured in Iraq or Afghanistan that killed 50 or 100 innocent civilians there'd be no return to regular programming.. yet a minor explosion in London, which injured one person and did not inflict any deaths, is breaking news which consumes all programming.


Well its not just about how much more precious major news corporations feel white people's lives are than muslim's, but also like you said it happens so fucking often that it just isn't newsworthy.

If it happened once every five years, then you'd see it clogging up news coverage.

[Free Palestine]

If indeed "terrorists" are behind any of these bombings (a claim I find dubious) that's unfortunate price Britain pays for their inability and/or unwillingness to stop the terrorism that their leaders practice against people throughout the world on a daily basis. The chickens have come home to roost and they've brought Zionism gone mad and imperialism run amok with them. Please note I am not justifying or advocating the killing of innocent civilians, I'm just making comment on what I believe is the natural inevitable.