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Monty Cantsin
20th July 2005, 15:13
The question I have posed is what is philosophy?

This question is harder then it seems because to engage in answering it we engage in meta-philosophy, at least when you try and define science you’re actually doing philosophy of science.

In my mind philosophy is theoretical consciousness (sometimes deluded) of the world and the creation of concepts to quantify and understand the human condition. But what differs philosophy from general opinion of the layman? Well what would differ philosophical inquiry from general discourse but method? The methods of argumentation to derive our ‘considered opinions’ is what separates philosophy from general opinion (not to say laymen can’t have considered opinions). When we talk of sciences we normally see as an investigation into the empirical world (which demands a certain metaphysical point of view which is assumed) and the creation of concepts and explanations thereof but this is primarily philosophies task. The division of the two fields is often seen in their respective methods of proof or rather the burden of proof. Philosophers deal with priories as well as empirical issues where as scientist deal purely with empirical. The question them needs to be asked when is the line between philosophy and science drawn? String theory is taught in physics often seen as one of the higher sciences but when it comes right down to it with the burden of proof presented should be classed as metaphysics if you divide science and philosophy along the popperian line but if you follow Quine’s division between the two it rests as a scientific theory pending verification.

So what separates the different fields and what is the task of philosophy?

New Tolerance
20th July 2005, 17:50
Philosophy is the super-integration of ALL human knowledge via logic. (ie creating a completely and consistent abstraction of the universe by using ALL the individual pieces of information that we know about it) and thus the task of philosophy is to deal with the most basic, the most common problems shared by ALL knowledge in general, exg: existence, causality etc...

Where as science deals with more specific details of more specific problems/entities -> exg gravity, the human body etc.

And thus there is no "seperation" of the two fields, philosophy does not run in parallel with science (if that is what you are implying). Science is merely a sub-field of philosophy, science is the philosophy of induction.

Monty Cantsin
26th July 2005, 11:30
Are you saying science works by a method of induction?

Postteen
26th July 2005, 14:27
Philosophy (φιλοσοφία) is the love of wisdom.Science used to be a part of Philosophy before it became practical.Philosophy is the search of truth.Science proves what it says, or what philosophy said.By studying philosophy we don't want to acquire a scientific certainty, but a knowledge which if we get, we'll probably understand the meaning of life.Scientific knowledge is about specific objects whom knowledge is not necessary for everyone, philosophy however is about being, and it concerns all people cos they are human beings.

EDIT:Only with personal experience man can learn what is that we meet,see,observe in our world as philosophy.

Another
28th July 2005, 19:26
It now seems as if Philosophical thought has become subservient to Scientific thought. Science has taken a prominent podium position in intellectual circles because of the fact that it deals with practicality and things tangible. Strangely enough, through the last decade it has been revealed that Science is highly transient.

As a result, the serach for absolute answers that not even science can provide is deemed trivial and wholly impossible.

Therein lies the difference.
What sets Philosophy from Science is the fact that Science is now acknowledged to be transient, whereas Philosophy still aims for absolute truths.

And that difference alone can account for the fall from grace that Philosophy has seen over the last decade.

It is now more difficult than ever to prescribe a definition to Philosophy.

New Tolerance
31st July 2005, 20:01
Are you saying science works by a method of induction?

Yes. You observe some kind of pattern in reality, and test it out to see if you can repeat it. Thus varifying whether if the pattern you have in mind conforms with the one in reality.

Why?