Bush vs. Self-Determination

[Valkyrie]

Good articles here.

www.workers.org/ww/2002/bushdoc1031.php

[vox]

If you haven't taken the time to read this yet, you might want to. I'll even make it a link for you. See how nice I am?

www.workers.org/ww/2002/bushdoc1031.php (http://www.workers.org/ww/2002/bushdoc1031.php)

vox

[Valkyrie]

:):):):):):)
Is it any good? ha!
I need to read it myself still yet! Well, you know.... you can't post it AND read it.

(Edited by Paris at 11:14 pm on Nov. 4, 2002)

[vox]

Lol. :)

I liked this paragraph quite a bit:

"The general Marxist view of legality in class society is that it arises out of the class struggle and reflects class and national relations. For example, in the United States in the mid-19th century it was illegal for three or more workers to gather for the purposes of discussing the formation of a trade union. Such behavior was regarded as an illegal conspiracy in restraint of trade. Only the class struggle established the right to organize and to force the bosses to engage in collective bargaining."

That's something the right-wingnuts will never understand.

Oh, and if you like this kind of Marxist analysis, I highly recommend reading Monthly Review (http://www.monthlyreview.org/index.html). Great stuff there. You can lose yourself for hours in the archives.

vox (doing my part to make the world just a little redder)

[RedCeltic]

This article says that every pole indicates a declining support for the war. Well, when I was at an anti-war rally a few weeks ago a speaker said that 62% of America doesn't support the war. If it's true that support for the war has even further declined since then... Bush's attempts to hide his disastrous domestic policies under a war regime will backfire on him and cause a movement against the administration's foreign policy of the like you haven't seen since Vietnam. The protest in DC recently has already been said to be larger than anything since that era.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 5:29 pm on Nov. 4, 2002)

[vox]

RC,

The last I heard, last week sometime on NPR, support was at 55%, which is down from what it was. However, it's soft support, and many of those do NOT want the US to go it alone. Depending on how the question is phrased, you could probably get 62% saying that they don't support the war.

Y'know, I don't know if people have mentioned this before, but we're already seeing the kind of police tactics used in the Sixties being used against protestors today. The unconcsionable treatment of protestors in DC, who were arrested en masse without breaking any laws and held in restraints overnight is an example of the barbarism of the bourgeoisie. Funny how the "liberal" media seemed to miss that.

vox