The benefit of sexual desire [Archive]

*Hippie*

18th July 2005, 07:36

che's long lost daughter

18th July 2005, 12:37

I thinkh this thread would help answer the question: http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=37760

Fidelbrand

18th July 2005, 15:28

Enhances intimitness between the two. It's essential.

Led Zeppelin

18th July 2005, 15:34

Sexual desire does not need to have a benefit besides reproduction.

Your question is rather absurd, i could ask the same about eating: What is the benefit of eating besides staying alive? There is none.

novemba

18th July 2005, 19:53

When you're truely in love with someone, having sex isn't just a matter of pleasure. It seems to be the closest you can get to your loved one, and during that moment of passion, sometimes it can seem as if you became one, just for a brief second...

novemba

18th July 2005, 19:54

Now heres a harder question.

To me it appears that love is both completely selfish and completely selfless at the same time.

I'm not even gonna try to explain that, but those have been in love know my steez.

Fidelbrand

18th July 2005, 20:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 03:54 AM
Now heres a harder question.

To me it appears that love is both completely selfish and completely selfless at the same time.

I'm not even gonna try to explain that, but those have been in love know my steez.
Gotcha.

Don't Change Your Name

18th July 2005, 20:16

Worst thread ever

*Hippie*

18th July 2005, 20:57

Worst thread ever

I don't see what the point in being negative is. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

To me it appears that love is both completely selfish and completely selfless at the same time.

I totally agree.

Enhances intimitness between the two. It's essential.

I agree with this as well.

I was also thinking the biggest benefit of sexual desire for the capitalist must be to make money~ by using it in advertising and marketing. They must use this marketing tool simply because it is one thing that all or must people have in common, the lowest common denominator.

Xvall

18th July 2005, 21:23

It satisfies people's impulses and desires and releases chemicals in the brain so that the person thinks something fantastic is happening.

What is a benefit, anyways? What makes something "benificial"?

Severian

18th July 2005, 23:03

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Jul 18 2005, 12:36 AM
~The Dalai Lama

Who cares what he says about sex? Presumably he doesn't know anything about it, unless he's been breaking those vows of celibacy. It's as bad as the pope or some bishop giving sex advice.

Camarada

18th July 2005, 23:56

what about masturbation? :lol:

sorry but I just had to be the first to mention it.

dietrite

19th July 2005, 05:35

What is a benefit, anyways? What makes something "benificial"?

Ok, gloomy thomas.

Vallegrande

19th July 2005, 06:46

Earthly desires lead to enlightment. And that saying about the woman's skeleton figure is just an old way of keeping the person from acting on their desires for sex. They viewed the woman's skeleton instead of her flesh as a way to not think about sex. That's basically how I put his words.

redstar2000

19th July 2005, 06:51

Originally posted by The Dalai Lama
The appearance of a beautiful face or a beautiful body - as many scriptures describe - no matter how beautiful, they essentially decompose into a skeleton.

So what? "Eventually" the universe will be a vast, dark, cold emptiness.

Beauty is for now! :D

When we penetrate to its human flesh and bones, there is no beauty, is there?

Not unless you're a surgeon...or "Jack the Ripper".

Ever notice what sickos you find in the godracket?

A couple in a sexual experience is happy for that moment. Then very soon trouble begins.

Yes, that's often the case -- partly because it's simply human and partly because of the stress that all forms of class society place on relationships.

And one can avoid that particular "trouble" by becoming a monk or a nun.

But you miss a lot of the fun of being human. :D

What is the real benefit of sexual desire?

We give and receive great pleasure from one another.

That was always good enough for me.

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C_Rasmussen

19th July 2005, 06:55

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 18 2005, 07:16 PM
Worst thread ever
Hmm somewhere I agree with you on that but I will TRY to be objective on this. Well as others have said it does bring closeness and makes the parties involved feel better and that helps the relationship. Eh well I'm not sure but just giving a good guess.

Xvall

19th July 2005, 07:31

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 04:35 AM
Ok, gloomy thomas.
Whatever the hell that means.

dietrite

19th July 2005, 08:03

Whatever the hell that means.

haha

Fidelbrand

19th July 2005, 10:12

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 19 2005, 05:23 AM

What is a benefit, anyways? What makes something "benificial"?
A good philosophical question.

a benefit I think is a material / psychological / spiritual situation in which the concerned party/parties feels positive in recieving or giving.

? :) ?

pandora

19th July 2005, 16:01

Dalai Lama is avoiding the other answer which is he uses Tantra every night imagining union with a female goddess in order to penetrate his central chokras

Sexual union can bring great joy if for the right reasons, it depends on the mind you go to it with. But physical union is limited. Mental union is more joyful when you engage in the spirit of another being till they help you breath again and have hope.

The Garbage Disposal Unit

19th July 2005, 19:20

I think some folk are drawing a really weird line between the physical and the emotional, privilaging the latter for the wrong reasons (don't get me wrong, I prefer being in love to fucking). Deep down, emotions, and thoughts, and so on are just complex physical happenings . . . this doesn't degrade them, in my mind, it's simply the reality of the universe at large, allowing us to personally celebrate and take joy in anything as we see fit. That is, what is the "point" of sexual desire? There isn't a point to anything, but, damn, I love kissing beautiful people.

Xvall

20th July 2005, 01:22

A good philosophical question.

a benefit I think is a material / psychological / spiritual situation in which the concerned party/parties feels positive in recieving or giving.

Yep. Then in that case, the benefit of "sex" is the act itself, as from what I've heard, people get positive feelings from it all the time.

novemba

20th July 2005, 04:12

The point to sexual desire when you're in love is that, like I said before, for that brief moment you're one with them, you feel unseperable, and you feel each others love indefinately.

If love is both selfish and selfless at the same time, what makes it that way?

And whatever it is can we apply it to our eglitarian ideologies?

dietrite

20th July 2005, 04:33

"In love"? I think this concept needs to be analyzed, necro. Maybe explain what that means....I find it a tad idealistic.

novemba

20th July 2005, 05:19

are you asking me to explain love? hah!

ill tell you this, love is something that can't be explained. love is something that can't be judged. i could sit here at tell you how i love my special person, but thats just how i love them and for you it could be different.

so when you fall in love, we can get back to each other on this. but essentialy love is finding a companion for who you are in a completely non-material light. thats why i think it has a lot of parallels with communism...but that must be discussed later.

anyways all this talking has gotten me longing her...so im off to see her. peace for now.

Camarada

20th July 2005, 05:37

sex is a whole lot more meaningful if you're both in love.. just my opinion

Camarada

20th July 2005, 05:40

who answered my question?

what about masturbation? your thoughts about it?

*Hippie*

20th July 2005, 06:17

I think masturbation is a good way to clear the sexual desire and tension so we can concentrate on more important issues, when of course, there is not a desirable person available who we want to share our love and desire with.

Purple

20th July 2005, 13:03

When a couple engages in sex they release a hormone(unfortunatly I dont remember what it is named) that makes the two parts more easily committed to each other. It is of course not necessary, but I suppose it can be a quiker way to engage in partnerships. And sex is fun, it gives you a good feeling. Its not important, I suppose you could say its the more advanced way of playing in a sandbox.

Xvall

20th July 2005, 23:29

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 03:33 AM
"In love"? I think this concept needs to be analyzed, necro. Maybe explain what that means....I find it a tad idealistic.
Something that isn't real can not be explained. I find it very idealistic as well.

From a completely materialistic standpoint, love is simply a word with connotations to chemical reactions in the brain, the release of endorphens, that the body experiencing good feelings. It is indeed very complicated, but when it boils down to it I don't think it's much other than that.

Organic Revolution

21st July 2005, 00:05

sex is an expression of a love shared by one human to another (or animal to animal) sex (that is, making love.. not fucking) is an extension for higher connectivity in a relationship. it is a animal response to love (or lust) to have sex.

by the way

fuck the dalai lama.

Vallegrande

21st July 2005, 03:04

That's probably what Oprah thought when she talked to him lol. She didn't like the Dalai Lama for some reason.

Felicia

21st July 2005, 03:56

hmm, sexual desire. Sex....love... I think the two can be completely unrelated. You can fuck and not feel emotions for the other person besides "whoo, I'm getting laid." You can "love" someone so much and not have slept with them, by that I'm thinking the whole "wait until I'm in love to sleep with someone" or the "I'm waiting for marriage" thing too. It's loving without sex. However, sex with love takes things to a different level. It can create bonds and attachments like nothing else. It can also make some of us emotionally unstable :lol: kind of like betting your house in a poker game :P

Felicia

21st July 2005, 03:59

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 11:04 PM
That's probably what Oprah thought when she talked to him lol. She didn't like the Dalai Lama for some reason.
that's because the dalai lama is holier than she is and she's not up to par :P

dietrite

21st July 2005, 05:21

are you asking me to explain love? hah!

I’m asking you to define it.

ill tell you this, love is something that can't be explained. love is something that can't be judged. i could sit here at tell you how i love my special person, but thats just how i love them and for you it could be different.

so when you fall in love, we can get back to each other on this. but essentialy love is finding a companion for who you are in a completely non-material light. thats why i think it has a lot of parallels with communism...but that must be discussed later.

anyways all this talking has gotten me longing her...so im off to see her. peace for now.

Ridiculous bourgeois nonsense.

For a material/realistic view I’d agree with Drake:

From a completely materialistic standpoint, love is simply a word with connotations to chemical reactions in the brain, the release of endorphens, that the body experiencing good feelings. It is indeed very complicated, but when it boils down to it I don't think it's much other than that.

C_Rasmussen

21st July 2005, 06:56

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Jul 20 2005, 05:17 AM
I think masturbation is a good way to clear the sexual desire and tension so we can concentrate on more important issues, when of course, there is not a desirable person available who we want to share our love and desire with.
Well jacking off is probably better in the sense that theres not another person to worry about because if you fuck someone then you'll think about it the next day and be distracted which isn't a good thing.

Black Dagger

21st July 2005, 07:03

Well jacking off is probably better in the sense that theres not another person to worry about because if you fuck someone then you'll think about it the next day and be distracted which isn't a good thing.

What drives your irrational fear of sexual contact?

C_Rasmussen

21st July 2005, 07:05

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 21 2005, 06:03 AM

Well jacking off is probably better in the sense that theres not another person to worry about because if you fuck someone then you'll think about it the next day and be distracted which isn't a good thing.

What drives your irrational fear of sexual contact?
I was looking at from a logical (or so I think) point of view. Why would you want to be distracted on the job or while you're driving or taking part in some other important activity that takes concentration?

Black Dagger

21st July 2005, 07:37

Well seeing as you've never had sex, on what are you basing this assumption?

On the contrary, from my experience, after having sex- i think very litte- to nothing about it, because that 'desire' has been 'satisfied'. Rather than 'worrying' about it (what is their to worry about it? I just had sex, that's a good thing!), i find that i concentrate, think and act at a level as uninfluenced by sex as i find possible. I.E before i have sex it can, be a distraction but rarely on any meaningful/serious level, as you are stating- maybe because you are sexually repressed yourself? - so it is a bigger distraction? After sex, the 'distraction' is reduced even closer to nil than it is normally.

C_Rasmussen

21st July 2005, 07:41

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 21 2005, 06:37 AM
Well seeing as you've never had sex, on what are you basing this assumption?

On the contrary, from my experience, after having sex- i think very litte- to nothing about it, because that 'desire' has been 'satisfied'. Rather than 'worrying' about it (what is their to worry about it? I just had sex, that's a good thing!), i find that i concentrate, think and act at a level as uninfluenced by sex as i find possible. I.E before i have sex it can, be a distraction but rarely on any meaningful/serious level, as you are stating- maybe because you are sexually repressed yourself? - so it is a bigger distraction? After sex, the 'distraction' is reduced even closer to nil than it is normally.
Ok on the sexually repressed and a big distraction for me part, what the fuck are you talking about?

PS: Forgot to ask but how is it irrational when I'm not even afraid of it?

Black Dagger

27th July 2005, 11:19

what the fuck are you talking about?

I was arguing against your assertion that sex creates a distraction

PS: Forgot to ask but how is it irrational when I'm not even afraid of it?

Some of your earlier posts suggested that you may have been 'afraid' of sex, scepiticism of condoms, paranoia about STD's and so forth.

Just have sex, and you will have the answers to your questions.

Vallegrande

27th July 2005, 20:16

The Dalai Lama's quote has become non-existent on this thread :lol: . Tis what he gets for trying to explain sex to the western world.

C_Rasmussen

27th July 2005, 20:21

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 27 2005, 10:19 AM

what the fuck are you talking about?

I was arguing against your assertion that sex creates a distraction

PS: Forgot to ask but how is it irrational when I'm not even afraid of it?

Some of your earlier posts suggested that you may have been 'afraid' of sex, scepiticism of condoms, paranoia about STD's and so forth.

Just have sex, and you will have the answers to your questions.
1st. Ok just didn't know what you meant at first.

2nd. Well you have to use SOME logic on condoms. Yes STDs are present. I'm just more of the thinking type on these kinds of matters.

3rd. "Just have sex, and you will have the answers to your questions". Well thats easier said then done. You OBVIOUSLY have to find someone first <_<.

novemba

27th July 2005, 21:24

No Virgins should be able to post here.

Hehe, I wish that theory could be applied elsewhere in these forums. :lol:

C_Rasmussen

28th July 2005, 04:48

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 08:24 PM
No Virgins should be able to post here.

Hehe, I wish that theory could be applied elsewhere in these forums. :lol:
What's your problem with virgins? Just because we haven't fucked doesn't mean we dont know what we're talking about.

Led Zeppelin

28th July 2005, 04:51

No Virgins should be able to post here.

That would mean the deletion of this thread, since there is no way to know who is a virgin and who is not.

Black Dagger

28th July 2005, 05:31

Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+Jul 28 2005, 03:48 PM--> (C_Rasmussen @ Jul 28 2005, 03:48 PM)
[email protected] 27 2005, 08:24 PM
No Virgins should be able to post here.

Hehe, I wish that theory could be applied elsewhere in these forums. :lol:
What's your problem with virgins? Just because we haven't fucked doesn't mean we dont know what we're talking about. [/b]
About leftism? Ok
About 'sex'? Then, no. You don't know what you're talking about, obviously!

Well thats easier said then done. You OBVIOUSLY have to find someone first <_<.

Do you have a partner at the moment?
Know any people like yourself that wanna give this thing a go?
Do you live in the south? :lol:

C_Rasmussen

28th July 2005, 05:37

Originally posted by Black Dagger+Jul 28 2005, 04:31 AM--> (Black Dagger @ Jul 28 2005, 04:31 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 03:48 PM

[email protected] 27 2005, 08:24 PM
No Virgins should be able to post here.

Hehe, I wish that theory could be applied elsewhere in these forums. :lol:
What's your problem with virgins? Just because we haven't fucked doesn't mean we dont know what we're talking about.
About leftism? Ok
About 'sex'? Then, no. You don't know what you're talking about, obviously!

Well thats easier said then done. You OBVIOUSLY have to find someone first <_<.

Do you have a partner at the moment?
Know any people like yourself that wanna give this thing a go?
Do you live in the south? :lol: [/b]
1. There is something called research and I do plenty of it out of medical books (or w/e they're called) so yeah I do know what I'm talking about.

2. No I don't have anyone at the moment
No I don't know anyone that would want to give it a go
I live in Wisconsin, does that answer your question?

Black Dagger

28th July 2005, 05:45

1. There is something called research and I do plenty of it out of medical books (or w/e they're called) so yeah I do know what I'm talking about.

Reading about sex is not substitute for actually engaging in the activity, come on. Sure you can 'understand' the 'science' of sex, but so can everyone else here, only our experiences also extend to physical/real practice, rather than only theory, as in your case.

I live in Wisconsin, does that answer your question?

You missed my slight of southerners :P

C_Rasmussen

28th July 2005, 05:52

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 28 2005, 04:45 AM

I live in Wisconsin, does that answer your question?

You missed my slight of southerners :P
Yeah maybe I did. What did you mean anyway? lol

Black Dagger

28th July 2005, 09:36

If i have to explain it's not funny... damn.

BuyOurEverything

1st August 2005, 08:10

We give and receive great pleasure from one another.

That was always good enough for me.

I'm kind of disapointed that I had to read through so many posts before someone finally said this. Sex is pleasurable. That's the fucking point. Does anyone disagree with that? If not, then what the hell are we still discussing?

shivababa

19th August 2005, 11:03

I think the Dala is not saying that sex is not a pleasure, but it is more hasstle that it is worth.

slim

19th August 2005, 11:42

I think there is some truth here:

Love makes men weaker at times,
Love makes women stronger.

Its a scary truth that may tip the femenist takeover into female favour. Men will just be sperm doners and slaves in a few generations lol.

C_Rasmussen

19th August 2005, 15:53

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 10:21 AM
I think the Dala is not saying that sex is not a pleasure, but it is more hasstle that it is worth.
I honestly think in that case Dala is a bit screwed up because people MAINLY do it out of pleasure (with the odd case of pro-creation).

Eastside Revolt

19th August 2005, 20:14

"Sometimes in my dreams there are women...When such dreams happen, immediately I remember, 'I am a monk.'...It is very important to analyze 'What is the real benefit of sexual desire?' The appearance of a beautiful face or a beautiful body - as many scriptures describe - no matter how beautiful, they essentially decompose into a skeleton. When we penetrate to its human flesh and bones, there is no beauty, is there? A couple in a sexual experience is happy for that moment. Then very soon trouble begins." - the Dalai Lama

Yeah he's pretty progressive for a religious figure. But I think study some brain chemistry. :P

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, it's just that I think he'd find his answer this feild.

The real benefit of sexual desire is so that one desires to have sex. And once on has sex, there are mental benefits (endorphins) and physical benefits (exercise, experience to have better sex later). Well it seems that simple to me anyhow. :P

C_Rasmussen

19th August 2005, 20:47

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 07:32 PM
"Sometimes in my dreams there are women...When such dreams happen, immediately I remember, 'I am a monk.'...It is very important to analyze 'What is the real benefit of sexual desire?' The appearance of a beautiful face or a beautiful body - as many scriptures describe - no matter how beautiful, they essentially decompose into a skeleton. When we penetrate to its human flesh and bones, there is no beauty, is there? A couple in a sexual experience is happy for that moment. Then very soon trouble begins." - the Dalai Lama

Yeah he's pretty progressive for a religious figure. But I think study some brain chemistry. :P

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, it's just that I think he'd find his answer this feild.

The real benefit of sexual desire is so that one desires to have sex. And once on has sex, there are mental benefits (endorphins) and physical benefits (exercise, experience to have better sex later). Well it seems that simple to me anyhow. :P
Those are true and I can understand what you're saying but honestly just the way you worded it.....doesn't it sound a bit like you'd just be using the person you'd be fucking? Just wondering because thats how it came off to me.

Eastside Revolt

19th August 2005, 22:36

Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+Aug 19 2005, 08:05 PM--> (C_Rasmussen @ Aug 19 2005, 08:05 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 07:32 PM
"Sometimes in my dreams there are women...When such dreams happen, immediately I remember, 'I am a monk.'...It is very important to analyze 'What is the real benefit of sexual desire?' The appearance of a beautiful face or a beautiful body - as many scriptures describe - no matter how beautiful, they essentially decompose into a skeleton. When we penetrate to its human flesh and bones, there is no beauty, is there? A couple in a sexual experience is happy for that moment. Then very soon trouble begins." - the Dalai Lama

Yeah he's pretty progressive for a religious figure. But I think study some brain chemistry. :P

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, it's just that I think he'd find his answer this feild.

The real benefit of sexual desire is so that one desires to have sex. And once on has sex, there are mental benefits (endorphins) and physical benefits (exercise, experience to have better sex later). Well it seems that simple to me anyhow. :P
Those are true and I can understand what you're saying but honestly just the way you worded it.....doesn't it sound a bit like you'd just be using the person you'd be fucking? Just wondering because thats how it came off to me. [/b]
I wouldn't be using a person any more than if I was: giving someone a hand (instead of telling them to fuck off), complimenting someone, or if I was playing a team sport. All these experiences trigger positive reactions in the brain for someone else, and I.

Xian

4th September 2005, 02:06

Sometimes in my dreams there are women...When such dreams happen, immediately I remember, 'I am a monk.'...It is very important to analyze 'What is the real benefit of sexual desire?' The appearance of a beautiful face or a beautiful body - as many scriptures describe - no matter how beautiful, they essentially decompose into a skeleton. When we penetrate to its human flesh and bones, there is no beauty, is there? A couple in a sexual experience is happy for that moment. Then very soon trouble begins." - the Dalai Lama

He is basically saying the troubles involved in attatchment. If you look at sexual atraction (not actual sex) as a lifetime thing, then it is not beneficial to most people. Your dick could be saying "go after that hot one" when your head is saying "go after that [nice, cool,etc] one." You may go after the hot one. It leads to trouble because you are attracted to the beauty, not the realness. Because he is a monk, he is determined to satisfy his inner self, instead of material worldly things (including other people), because they lead to suffering.

Peace.

C_Rasmussen

4th September 2005, 06:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:15 AM
What does sex have to do with love?

All the love I have ever felt for other people is asexual love, and it still is that way. Yes, it was love, I know it was, but I was repulsed of having sex with the person, it was more of an intellectual fascination of the person....I can't really explain it.
Thank you for clearing that up. See people not ALL love has to do with sex or sexual relations. It goes deeper then that and really the intellectual part of the person or the way they act in a situation is better then how they are in a sexual encounter.

Fidelbrand

4th September 2005, 16:19

Making love, as proved by some science folks, releases anti-depressant chemicals and it makes the party involve feel "goooood"~~~

(?) ^_^

C_Rasmussen

4th September 2005, 22:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:37 PM
Making love, as proved by some science folks, releases anti-depressant chemicals and it makes the party involve feel "goooood"~~~

(?) ^_^
Maybe so but aren't there any other ways of being happy, not to say that I'm against the act of sex in itself but when people make a habit of having a monotonous attitude that they should be having sex with each partner that they have a relationship with. Hope that clears up what I mean.

Black Dagger

7th September 2005, 18:19

Except sex is not a 'boring habit' that people feel obligated 'to do'.

'Aw for fucks sake, ive got a new partner, guess we'll be having sex soon, *grumble grumble*'

It's more like, 'fuck yeah! I'm getting laid tonight!'

C_Rasmussen, just pipe down and have sex already! :P

C_Rasmussen

7th September 2005, 19:07

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 7 2005, 05:37 PM
Except sex is not a 'boring habit' that people feel obligated 'to do'.

'Aw for fucks sake, ive got a new partner, guess we'll be having sex soon, *grumble grumble*'

It's more like, 'fuck yeah! I'm getting laid tonight!'

C_Rasmussen, just pipe down and have sex already! :P
Oh I wasn't making it sound like one would be bored but just the obsessive attitude is what I was trying to convey. Sorry if it came off wrong. Now I would fuck but if shyness and not having someone wouldn't get in the way.

Black Dagger

7th September 2005, 22:34

Fair enough. I still think that your criticisms of sex are misplaced, and in a broad-sense weak because of your status as a virgin. Sex is something you really have to experience before you can make huge assumptions and criticisms of, not to say that you can't make rational and valid arguments concerning sex, without having had it, but let me just say, it doesn't 'help' your position, if you know what i mean?

Now I would fuck but if shyness and not having someone wouldn't get in the way.

If only i lived in the US, you found me attractive and were gay or bi? :P

Zingu

8th September 2005, 01:11

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 7 2005, 09:52 PM
Fair enough. I still think that your criticisms of sex are misplaced, and in a broad-sense weak because of your status as a virgin. Sex is something you really have to experience before you can make huge assumptions and criticisms of, not to say that you can't make rational and valid arguments concerning sex, without having had it, but let me just say, it doesn't 'help' your position, if you know what i mean?

Maybe you don't realize many of us just don't have any natural desire for sex.

Organic Revolution

8th September 2005, 05:06

Originally posted by Zingu+Sep 7 2005, 06:29 PM--> (Zingu @ Sep 7 2005, 06:29 PM)
Black [email protected] 7 2005, 09:52 PM
Fair enough. I still think that your criticisms of sex are misplaced, and in a broad-sense weak because of your status as a virgin. Sex is something you really have to experience before you can make huge assumptions and criticisms of, not to say that you can't make rational and valid arguments concerning sex, without having had it, but let me just say, it doesn't 'help' your position, if you know what i mean?

Maybe you don't realize many of us just don't have any natural desire for sex. [/b]
its impossible to not have a natural desire for sex. sex is a form of human contact and the soul (to use the term loosley) yearns for contact and connection with another living being.

C_Rasmussen

8th September 2005, 05:12

Originally posted by organic revolution+Sep 8 2005, 04:24 AM--> (organic revolution @ Sep 8 2005, 04:24 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 06:29 PM

Black [email protected] 7 2005, 09:52 PM
Fair enough. I still think that your criticisms of sex are misplaced, and in a broad-sense weak because of your status as a virgin. Sex is something you really have to experience before you can make huge assumptions and criticisms of, not to say that you can't make rational and valid arguments concerning sex, without having had it, but let me just say, it doesn't 'help' your position, if you know what i mean?

Maybe you don't realize many of us just don't have any natural desire for sex.
its impossible to not have a natural desire for sex. sex is a form of human contact and the soul (to use the term loosley) yearns for contact and connection with another living being. [/b]
I dont' speak for myself on this but I will take Zingu's side however. Maybe he just doesn't feel that need or want for sex. Maybe somehow its just not in him to yearn (as you put it) for that sort of contact.

Zingu

8th September 2005, 05:23

Originally posted by organic [email protected] 8 2005, 04:24 AM

its impossible to not have a natural desire for sex. sex is a form of human contact and the soul (to use the term loosley) yearns for contact and connection with another living being.
Tell that to these people (http://www.asexuality.org/home/).

I'm pretty sure BOGZ is also one, I'm also asexual myself, really, for some reason, all my desire for sex dissapered and sexual attraction is non-existant for me. Don't know why, but I don't even masturbate anymore. Not saying that I don't want a relationship, but I value different things for one rather than a sexual person.

Organic Revolution

8th September 2005, 05:27

Originally posted by Zingu+Sep 7 2005, 10:41 PM--> (Zingu @ Sep 7 2005, 10:41 PM)
organic [email protected] 8 2005, 04:24 AM

its impossible to not have a natural desire for sex. sex is a form of human contact and the soul (to use the term loosley) yearns for contact and connection with another living being.
Tell that to these people (http://www.asexuality.org/home/).

I'm pretty sure BOGZ is also one, I'm also asexual myself, really, for some reason, all my desire for sex dissapered and sexual attraction is non-existant for me. Don't know why, but I don't even masturbate anymore. Not saying that I don't want a relationship, but I value different things for one rather than a sexual person. [/b]
im not talking only about sex. im talking about being emotionally and physically connected to someone.

Rasta Sapian

9th September 2005, 22:39

Hey guys, I think that the Dali Lama is on to something here, something really deep, like the afterlife or something?

I think that the bliss that he is talking about goes deeper than any of us will find busting our nuts on any box........I am not saying that I am trying to open up pandora's box or anything like that if you know what i mean!

C_Rasmussen

12th September 2005, 23:06

Now theres something I read in the "Celibacy" thread that I thought would go here because my opinion/question is similar but more suited for this topic. How the fuck would the person know what they're doing or what they or the other person would want? I mean on paper it sounds great to ask the person to show you or tell them what you want but with this generation people are already supposed to know such things so actually in thoery it PROBABLY wouldn't be that enjoyable of an experience for one and could turn that person off to it in general.

Organic Revolution

13th September 2005, 00:56

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
Now theres something I read in the "Celibacy" thread that I thought would go here because my opinion/question is similar but more suited for this topic. How the fuck would the person know what they're doing or what they or the other person would want? I mean on paper it sounds great to ask the person to show you or tell them what you want but with this generation people are already supposed to know such things so actually in thoery it PROBABLY wouldn't be that enjoyable of an experience for one and could turn that person off to it in general.
its just instinct.

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 01:04

Originally posted by organic revolution+Sep 13 2005, 12:27 AM--> (organic revolution @ Sep 13 2005, 12:27 AM)
[email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
Now theres something I read in the "Celibacy" thread that I thought would go here because my opinion/question is similar but more suited for this topic. How the fuck would the person know what they're doing or what they or the other person would want? I mean on paper it sounds great to ask the person to show you or tell them what you want but with this generation people are already supposed to know such things so actually in thoery it PROBABLY wouldn't be that enjoyable of an experience for one and could turn that person off to it in general.
its just instinct. [/b]
Well how does that work out though? Just wondering

I know that sorta sounds like a stupid question.

Black Dagger

13th September 2005, 09:57

How the fuck would the person know what they're doing or what they or the other person would want?

as organicrevolution said, instinct, but it doesn't matter anyway. If you've never had sex, you've most likely watched porn, or at the very least seen a sex scene in a movie. You know what to do, and what you don't 'know' is self-evident anyway. On top of that, no matter how 'bad' you are, it'll still feel fucking good if it's your first-time, simply because sex is one of the (if not the) best feelings human beings can experience, and thus when you're exposed to even a little bit of the potential of that feeling for the first time, it'll rock your world :)

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 18:09

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 13 2005, 09:28 AM

How the fuck would the person know what they're doing or what they or the other person would want?

as organicrevolution said, instinct, but it doesn't matter anyway. If you've never had sex, you've most likely watched porn, or at the very least seen a sex scene in a movie. You know what to do, and what you don't 'know' is self-evident anyway. On top of that, no matter how 'bad' you are, it'll still feel fucking good if it's your first-time, simply because sex is one of the (if not the) best feelings human beings can experience, and thus when you're exposed to even a little bit of the potential of that feeling for the first time, it'll rock your world :)
True maybe so but obviously if you do it and you like it but the other person wasn't satisfied they more then likely won't go back. The worse thing out of it is her telling her friends and it getting around then the not-so-good person in question won't be having sex anytime in the near future. I'm not saying that so much about me but I'm just setting up likely scenario for other first timers. You know what I mean?

Black Dagger

13th September 2005, 18:34

True maybe so but obviously if you do it and you like it but the other person wasn't satisfied they more then likely won't go back.

Than most hetero women would only ever have sex once ;)

I'm not saying that so much about me but I'm just setting up likely scenario for other first timers. You know what I mean?

It's not a likely scenario, in fact, it contradicts normative sexual relations, as do most of your irrationally negative sex-related hypotheses. You are afraid of sex, and i don't know why.

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 18:46

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 13 2005, 06:05 PM

True maybe so but obviously if you do it and you like it but the other person wasn't satisfied they more then likely won't go back.

Than most hetero women would only ever have sex once ;)

I'm not saying that so much about me but I'm just setting up likely scenario for other first timers. You know what I mean?

It's not a likely scenario, in fact, it contradicts normative sexual relations, as do most of your irrationally negative sex-related hypotheses. You are afraid of sex, and i don't know why.
1. Ok.........

2. How does it contradict sexual normatives? (Fuck what does normatives mean to begin with?) and what you consider me being afraid of sex I consider looking at all possibilities from the experience ;).

Black Dagger

13th September 2005, 19:06

1. Ok.........

Did you understand the point i was making when i said, "Than most hetero women would only ever have sex once"? Or not?

2. How does it contradict sexual normatives? (Fuck what does normatives mean to begin with?)

What i mean is, sex for the majority of people is not 'the best' their first time, but they dont just give up on it, they have more sex, try to improve etc. Your hastey conclusion was that it was 'likely' that this [average first time sex] would turn a lot of people off of sex, the reality however is quite the opposite. When i said your hypothesis contradicts sexual normatives, it contradicts how people usually behaviour in that context, ie. they're not 'likely' to be turned off having sex, that has no empirical basis.

and what you consider me being afraid of sex I consider looking at all possibilities from the experience ;).

No, you don't. You spend your time dwelling on the worst-case scenarios of sex, what's the worst thing that could happen, then you treat that as if it's the norm. Every response you make on this topic reflects on sex as a negative thing, it's bizarre/irrational.

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 19:18

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 13 2005, 06:37 PM

1. Ok.........

Did you understand the point i was making when i said, "Than most hetero women would only ever have sex once"? Or not?

2. How does it contradict sexual normatives? (Fuck what does normatives mean to begin with?)

What i mean is, sex for the majority of people is not 'the best' their first time, but they dont just give up on it, they have more sex, try to improve etc. Your hastey conclusion was that it was 'likely' that this [average first time sex] would turn a lot of people off of sex, the reality however is quite the opposite. When i said your hypothesis contradicts sexual normatives, it contradicts how people usually behaviour in that context, ie. they're not 'likely' to be turned off having sex, that has no empirical basis.

and what you consider me being afraid of sex I consider looking at all possibilities from the experience ;).

No, you don't. You spend your time dwelling on the worst-case scenarios of sex, what's the worst thing that could happen, then you treat that as if it's the norm. Every response you make on this topic reflects on sex as a negative thing, it's bizarre/irrational.
1. No I really didn't get. Could you explain please?

2. You read it wrong from how I worded it. It kinda ties in with what I stated in number 1. I was talking about the person not getting any because the partner that they were with wouldn't be satisfied, not the person doing the act upon the other.

3. Unfortunately Black, life isn't always going to be positive and even the best experiences (such as sex as you stated) won't always be the greatest. You can't always have the optimists point of view on things. Thats why I take EVERYTHING into consideration when I think about such issues. Now how are my negative points "bizarre" as you put it?

Redmau5

13th September 2005, 19:34

I was talking about the person not getting any because the partner that they were with wouldn't be satisfied

Well if that particular partner wasn't satisfied, who's to say the person can't get another partner whom they can satisfy? Just because there's bad sexual relations with one partner doesn't mean they'll all be bad. It just seems like you're lacking confidence, although I don't see why.

Thats why I take EVERYTHING into consideration when I think about such issues.

By the sound of your previous posts, your member title and your signature, you only look at things in a negative light.

Cheer up.

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 19:39

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 07:05 PM

I was talking about the person not getting any because the partner that they were with wouldn't be satisfied

Well if that particular partner wasn't satisfied, who's to say the person can't get another partner whom they can satisfy? Just because there's bad sexual relations with one partner doesn't mean they'll all be bad. It just seems like you're lacking confidence, although I don't see why.

Thats why I take EVERYTHING into consideration when I think about such issues.

By the sound of your previous posts, your member title and your signature, you only look at things in a negative light.

Cheer up.
1. Well I understand where you're coming from but what if word gets around like if she were to mention it to her friends? You know what I mean?

2. I know I do but even though I haven't fucked I've still been fucked around with by others so thats why I look at EVERYTHING from a negative light though I tried to make my decisions based on a well-rounded basis :).

Redmau5

13th September 2005, 19:51

1. Well I understand where you're coming from but what if word gets around like if she were to mention it to her friends? You know what I mean?

Well if she starts talking about you to other people, then you and her obviously weren't that close. And if you weren't that close, how could she expect you to be that good?

Part of the relationship is developing a close bond, and with that close bond you start to learn what spots to hit, so to speak. Not just sexual, but all round. If you aren't that close to begin with, then you can't really ask her what she likes most if she (or you) isn't interested in the relationship.

And if she starts saying stuff about you, remember you have a mouth of your own. ;)

C_Rasmussen

13th September 2005, 20:04

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 07:22 PM

1. Well I understand where you're coming from but what if word gets around like if she were to mention it to her friends? You know what I mean?

Well if she starts talking about you to other people, then you and her obviously weren't that close. And if you weren't that close, how could she expect you to be that good?

Well I understand what you mean on the other parts so those will be left alone but this part theres a tad of a dispute there. People these days expect everything to be perfect unfortunately so even if you're not close to your partner she'll probably still expect high quality sex.