Chechen Rebels?

[Menshevik]

What do you think about the recently ended hostage situation in Moscow?

How about that gas attack?

[genniva]

No one was right. In the war between Russia and Chechnia, no side is the right one, anyway . . .

[RGacky3]

I don't know a lot about it, but the chechens seem more left, so GO CHECHENS!

[Iepilei]

weren't they czech moslems?

[Menshevik]

You're right about the Muslim part, but the guerillas that took control of the Moscow theater were Chechen. The Chechens are a Muslim minority in Eastern Russia who have been mistreated for years and, like the Khurds, want to have a separate nation. The Russians wont hear of it and have destroyed the Chechen capital of Grozny in response to a guerilla war waged by Chechen rebels in Chechnya. There was an armistice a few years back but it was broken when a Moscow apartment building was destroyed in a bombing, killing 44 people. Supposedly Chechen terrorists were responsible and the Russian government used this as an excuse to invade Chechnya once again. Recently, the bombing was proved to have been executed and planned by Russian security forces. The Russians were very displeased with how their war in Chechnya was being perceived internationally, so by having innocents killed they could justify another attack on the Chechens. This has really angered the Chechens in recent years and this recent attack on civilians is a new development. It's brought Putin into the "war on terror" and out of his opposition of American villification of supposed international threats.

The gas used to knock out the rebels inside the theater ended up killing over a hundred of the hostages inside--not too promising.

[Kodzoquo]

WAR TORN CHECHNYA

CHECHNYA HUMAN RIGHTS REPORT OF THE CAUCASUS FOUNDATION. OCTOBER 2001

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/ajans/War_torn_Chechnya.htm

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ENDLESS GENOCIDE AT CAUCASUS
AND
CHECHEN TRAGEDY

CHAPTER I
Endless Exile and Genocide

CHAPTER II
It is a Matter of Life and Death: Chechnya

CHAPTER III
Clear War Crimes

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/endless_...cide-index.html (http://www.kafkas.org.tr/hakkinda/endless_genocide-index.html)
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Caucasus Diaspora Roars in Press Conference

31.10.2002
A press conference held in Ýstanbul today highlighted the foreground activities of the Russian propagation and made the Caucasian Diaspora stand more visible and prominent to the international community. Press communiqué ( Turkish text) of the Conference referred to the continuing Russian military invasion of Chechnya and qualified the Russian military activity as a continuing genocide to annihilate a whole nation.

The press communiqué referred to the dramatic end of the Moscow movie house incident and qualified it as the last SOS message of the Chechen People to the international community. 50 war victims thought that they could press the invader to get out of their country by such an action. But it turned out into a massacre when Russians pumped an aerosolized gas of unknown nature into the building which caused the deaths of 169 people, 119 being the hostages. The same number of people are struggling for their lives in the Moscow hospitals. Russians have staged 2002 version of The Auschwitz in Moscow and have alarmed the international community with that example of what the Russians are capable of.

Terrorist accusations was like a bumerang and it came back and hit to the heads of new Russian Czars. Russian President Putin is caught red on the job and the international community viewed it in horror. But this should not fool you because the Kremlin Gang is devising new accusations to avert the reactions of the international community. The Kremlin Gang are the masters to misinform and to mislead. Their Ankara Embassy have delivered a note to the Turkish MFA and have propagated lies about Caucasus Institutions in Turkey.

Fascist Russian Administration continues its policy of isolation against Chechnya by trying to block any hope originating from Chechnya supporters. So that can continue its genocide in Chechnya.

Press conference communiqué stated "We are the the grandchildren of those forced migrants from Russia whom went thru Russian massacres 150 years ago. We declare that we are not going to yield to the current bloodshed of the fascist Russian Administration. We are legal institutions of Turkey and we are law abiding citizens of a free country, The Republic of Turkey. We will continue to give humanitarian help to the civilian war victims. Russian daredevils continues their historical irresponsible attitude and they hope to influence The Government of Turkey with baseless claims. We are representatives of Caucasus Culture and we will never yield to Russian lies to mislead the international community in the wrong direction. We will keep vigil to the current history at Caucasus. We will continue to support the victims and genocide survivers. We will keep to inform the Caucasus truth to the World.

We are calling all honoured citizens of the international community to act now. Act against the aggressor in stopping the crimes committed in Chechnya.

LONG LIVE CHECHNYA !
LONG LIVE CAUCASUS UNITY !
DAMN THE RUSSIAN AGGRESSION !

http://www.kafkas.org.tr/english/index.html


(Edited by Kodzoquo at 4:36 pm on Oct. 31, 2002)

[Mazdak]

I applaud Putin for exterminating this chechen filth. The last thing the world needs is another religious fundamentalist state.

However, his refusal to help the hostages and the issue of the unidentified killer gas cancel out any good he mihgt have done. If he had used sleeping gas, he could have had the army go in and exterminate these rats without harming the civilians.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Mazdak on 6:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2002
exterminating this chechen filth
i see you are joining lenin and yurianrophov.

[suffianr]

Mazdak, if Putin hadn't made a complete rat's arse of that bastard Yeltsin's Chechan campaign, do you really think there would have been a legitimate/necessary reason to wage a terrorist attack on a poor bunch of Muscovites trying to enjoy some Goddamned quality-time at the theatres?

[oconner]

Quote: from Mazdak on 6:33 pm on Oct. 31, 2002
I applaud Putin for exterminating this chechen filth. The last thing the world needs is another religious fundamentalist state.


I was under the impression that the Chehens actually wanted an independent country from Russia. The fact that they are Muslim has been highlighted by the media but their religion didn't come into the actual hostage situation. I agree, however that they would create a fundamentalist state would create more problems but these people are different from the Russians. Anyway that is my opinion- enjoy

[tyronelad]

thier is believed to be links between bin laden and the Chechens (some chechens were in afghanistan). chenchya had elections and voted to be seperate from Russia and even elected a president.

i think i read somewhere thier was a lot of nuclear watse dunmped down about Chenchya- the fear is they could used this in further attacks

[new democracy]

Quote: from RGacky3 on 11:35 pm on Oct. 30, 2002
I don't know a lot about it, but the chechens seem more left, so GO CHECHENS!

RGacky3, the rebels are rebeling because of nationalist and religious causes. i don't see why you support them.

[Maaja]

Me as the specialist of the Chechen problem (I guess I am), I can say that they don't want a religious state. Chechens are moderate muslims, evern their president has said that they are far of extreme muslims. Some Chechens were fighting in Afghanistan but just for money, they don't have no possibility to get international support or money, so they have to do something! There are also some fundamentalist muslims in Chechenya but they also do attack their own people and fight against them. They are the minority of course. I consider the whole war in Chechnya as the symbol of Russia's imperialism.

[kalakbay]

I think that the use of that gas attack did more damage than good, it just shows us how they are helpless in the face of really pissed off rebels!

[Maaja]

I heard a very interesting theory that they used the gas because they were afraid of the 'syndrom of Stockholm'. Syndrom of S. is when hostages will really support the terrorists.

[oconner]

Quote: from Maaja on 5:39 am on Nov. 4, 2002
I consider the whole war in Chechnya as the symbol of Russia's imperialism.

I agree.

[deimos]

I heard a very interesting theory that they used the gas because they were afraid of the 'syndrom of Stockholm'. Syndrom of S. is when hostages will really support the terrorists.
i read that the russians didnt negotiate becasue the chechens would have released the foreign hostages.But now, putin can say that this is an act of international terrorism, and russia will save the world and exterminate every chechen to fight terrorism worldwide.
Thanks, Mr.Putin.

(Edited by deimos at 9:11 pm on Nov. 4, 2002)

[Menshevik]

The rebels holding the theater weren't really open to negotiation. They didn't want money and they knew going into the operation that they were going to die. What they really wanted was a complete withdrawal of Russian forces in Chechnya, of course Putin wouldn't hear of that so his only other option was to use force.

[deimos]

sure, they wanted to negotioate.The were only against russia.They want to attack russia, they don't care about german citizens.Ifthe had tried to negotiate the terrorists would have released the hostages.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Maaja on 3:39 pm on Nov. 4, 2002
Me as the specialist of the Chechen problem (I guess I am), I can say that they don't want a religious state. Chechens are moderate muslims, evern their president has said that they are far of extreme muslims. Some Chechens were fighting in Afghanistan but just for money, they don't have no possibility to get international support or money, so they have to do something! There are also some fundamentalist muslims in Chechenya but they also do attack their own people and fight against them. They are the minority of course. I consider the whole war in Chechnya as the symbol of Russia's imperialism.


I am glad to find myself among the specialist in Chechen problem. LOL.

Chechens who want the independence for Chechnya are fundamental muslims. They declared jehad to Russians and the last terrorist act in the Moscow's theatre proved that they are simple banditis. True fighters would never use the methods of terror.
Only reactionary thinker would support Chechens and only ignorant person would support terrorists. But maybe I will also hear the words in protection of Bin Laden from you. Who knows?

(Edited by Revolution Hero at 4:01 am on Nov. 7, 2002)