Revolutionary Punk

[Holocaustpulp]

I know of plenty of anarchist and class conscious punk, but does anyone know specrfically of any socialist punk? I'm open to suggestions.

- HP

[Pawn Power]

The International Noise Conspiracy, I think

[Clarksist]

Black Flag is Anarchist right?

And Rise Against.

[KC]

Black Flag isn't anarchist. They sang about beer and partying and not politics. They do have like 2 political songs, but that's it.

[Free Palestine]

Originally posted by Lazar+Jul 14 2005, 03:53 AM--> (Lazar @ Jul 14 2005, 03:53 AM) Black Flag isn't anarchist. They sang about beer and partying and not politics. They do have like 2 political songs, but that's it. [/b]
What the hell are you talking about? Rollins is well-known for being straight edge and they have numerable songs against that lifestyle. For example.


Black Flag - Drinking & Driving

Drink
Drink
Drink
Drink
Don't Think
Drive
Kill

Get drunk a lot
And work 40 hours a week
Spend half your time
Hung over, sick and weak

Make sure to tell yourself that this is cool
And make sure to tell yourself that you have no choice
And make sure to tell your friends that they drive you to it
And that you can quit anytime
That you want, anytime
You can quit
Anytime
That you want
You can quit
Anytime
You can quit
Anytime
Anytime

Drink
Drink
Drink
Drink
Don't Think
Drive
Kill

Party down, party down
Drinkin' til you can't even see
Un your car with your buddies
And wrap it around a tree

Make sure to tell yourself that this is cool
And make sure to tell yourself that you have no choice
And make sure to tell your friends that they drive you to it
And that you can quit anytime
That you want
You can quit
Anytime
That you want
You can quit
Anytime
That you want
You can quit
You can quit
You can quit

Make sure to tell yourself that this is cool
And make sure to tell yourself that you have no choice
And make sure to tell your friends that they drive you to it
And that you can quit anytime
That you want
Anytime
You can quit anytime
That you want
You can quit anytime
That you want
You can quit
Anytime

Drink
Drink
Drink
Drink
Don't Think
Drive
Kill

Feelin' pretty petty
Lying cold in a hospital bed
Busted car, busted head
You had a friend but now he's dead

Make sure to tell yourself that this is cool
And make sure to tell yourself that you have no choice
And make sure to tell your friends that they drive you to it
And that you can quit anytime
That you want
Anytime
You can quit anytime
That you want
You can quit anytime
That you want
You can quit
Anytime

Anytime, anytime

Let me guess, you heard TV Party and haven't heard anything else by the band? TV Party is complete satirical criticism of that lifestyle.

[Free Palestine]

Won't bother you with any Anarchist, class conscious, or leftist bands since you say you already know of them. As far as specifically Socialist, the Dils come to mind.

http://vcp-inc.com/dos/kinman/dils/dilsphoto1.jpg

[Holocaustpulp]

Thanks for suggestions so far. Concerning the debate over Black Flag (I own "The First Four Years" by them) I never knew them to be anarchist, but they certainly were aginst the establishment and sang songs such as "American Waste" and "Six Pack" to promote this message. Another good band from that time is Minor Threat (same area too), though also not socialist or anarchist.

- HP

[KC]

Yes, black flag was against aspects of society but they were never political. And certainly not anarchist.



What the hell are you talking about? Rollins is well-known for being straight edge and they have numerable songs against that lifestyle. For example.


So drinking is a political problem, according to you? I'd consider it a social problem, because it is. Being straight-edge isn't political.



Let me guess, you heard TV Party and haven't heard anything else by the band? TV Party is complete satirical criticism of that lifestyle.

Yes I do own the "TV Party" 7". I also own numerous other Black Flag records and CD's. I also did a college lit paper on the history of punk rock. So I know what I'm talking about. I'd like to see you prove that Black Flag was political.

[Free Palestine]

Whether they were a political band was never my contention. I was simply pointing out that they were not about "beer and partying" as you suggested. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Black Flag's music can tell you that. Henry Rollins, former frontman of Black Flag, is well-known for his abrasive straight-edge stance. To say they were about "partying" and "beer" is like saying the Hunchback of Notre Dame was all about standing up straight. They have several songs mocking that lifestyle, like the one I posted. Write all the college lit papers you want, you don't know shit about Black Flag. You probably just heard "TV Party" and assumed they were being serious... Like I said, "TV Party" is complete satire. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're persisting on this when you're clearly wrong.

[Holocaustpulp]

I again agree with Free Palestine here: while Black Flag wasn't dominantly political, if not at all political (it is true they focused on social issues), they still weren't mindless jocks.

- HP

[KC]

Whether they were a political band was never my contention. I was simply pointing out that they were not about "beer and partying" as you suggested. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Black Flag's music can tell you that. Henry Rollins, former frontman of Black Flag, is well-known for his abrasive straight-edge stance. To say they were about "partying" and "beer" is like saying the Hunchback of Notre Dame was all about standing up straight. They have several songs mocking that lifestyle, like the one I posted. Write all the college lit papers you want, you don't know shit about Black Flag. You probably just heard "TV Party" and assumed they were being serious... Like I said, "TV Party" is complete satire. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you're persisting on this when you're clearly wrong.

Haha you're right. I don't even remember typing that. Too much beer and partying :rolleyes:

[Rage]

I listen to Black Flag Anti-Flag Dead Keyenedys Bad Brains and Bad Religion who are all Revoloutionarys in there own way.

/,,/
Rock on!

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I'm so glad somebody mentioned The Dils - they've easily been among my favorite bands for a while. Some of their material is almost like a more abrasive Beatles - I love it.

If you're into "Harder" stuff, you might dig "Seein' Red" - who, coincidently, covered the Dils (Mind you, so did DOA . . . and Dillinger Four . . . and scores of other bands).

What, in particular, are you into, anywhom? I mean, just saying "punk" is really fucking broad . . .

[Donnie]

Bad Religion is the only band I can think of.

Also the only class conscious band that I know of that really sang about class struggle in anarchist terms was Crass. Although Steve Ignorant is really hard to hear.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 09:02 PM
Also the only class conscious band that I know of that really sang about class struggle in anarchist terms was Crass.
Actually, Crass's early existential anarchism actually rejected class along individualist lines (think CrimethInc.), though this seems to have changed somewhat in their later days . . . especially with Ignorant going on to sing with explicitly class-conscious band CONFLICT.
Crass was just one band in a really vibrant, international peace-punk scene/movement. You might look at the other bands who released music through Crass's collective record label, Motorhate, or a number of smaller, more obscure labels.
This tradition has largely been taken up by the crust scene, as epitomized by the Profane Existence (http://www.profaneexistance.com) label/magazine.

Sorry, peace-punk is kinda a hobby of mine. :P

[amos]

Try Asian Dub Foundation, The Clash, The Alabama 3 (especially Exile on Cold Harbour Lane), The Levellers, New Model Army, Billy Bragg or early Chumbawumba.

Cheers
Amos

[amos]

...and The Specials.

[Holocaustpulp]

Molotov Cocktail: assuming your question was directed at me, I listen to mainly American and British political punk (most of my tast is mainly 80s) - which consists of DK (my favorite), The Clash, Crass (how long did their commune last?), Minor Threat, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Sex Pistols, NY Dolls, and the Adicts. I've been looking at more recent punk though, like the US Bombs and the Hunns (I dig Duane Peters in general) as well as early punk roots such as the Dead Boys and the Damned. I like to look up a lot of punk bands, and this was an easy way to learn of a whole bunch.

Speaking of which, thanks again for all suggestions.

- HP

[The Forum Idiot]

Billy Bragg
Gang Of Four (why the hell did nobody mention them?)
Social Distortion
Citizen Fish
Dead Kennedys
Reagan Youth

Just to name a couple....

[Gust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 10:14 PM
...and The Specials.
The Specials is what it's all about.

You could listen to my band... "Mr. Molotov"


For the record... FUCK ANTI-FLAG!

[turkishXstyle]

Randy is socialist

[symtoms_of_humanity]

nausea, a//political, aus rotten, dystopia is somewhat,discharge, just to name a few, I know alot more, my brain went dead tho, as for communist I don't know

[dreams are free mofo]

Dog Faced Hermans
The Ex
Pop Group
Mekons
Minutemen
God Is My Co-Pilot
Submission Hold
Team Dresch
Born Against

[SupportTheALF]

CRASS' commune is still going, one member fell out, and she's now doing opera music with her son.

A shitload of street punk bands are socialist...but theyre lyrics go more on the punk scene and drinking then any political issues.

If you want decent peace/political/antipolitical/whatever the hell you call them, bands i can suggest..

Conflict
Riot/Clone
Anarchoi
Resist and Exist
Resist
Antisect
Avskum
Antischism
Zounds
The Mob
Fleas and Lice
Subhumans
Citizen Fish
Poison Girls
Harum Scarum
Inner Terrestrials
Whorehouse Of Representatives
Contravene
Thulsa Doom
Active Slaughter
Brother Inferior

That'll do for now, enjoy.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Revolution is the [email protected] 14 2005, 10:01 AM
The International Noise Conspiracy, I think
Nope. Anarchist. Possibly situationist.

[Freigemachten]

Vans Warp Tour hit my town on Friday, it was rockin. There was a band there called Opiate for the Masses, there merch tent had hammer and sicle on it and they had an old soviet flag flyin over their tent. unfortunately the band wasn't there when i got there, they were gettin ready for their set. The guy at the tent didn't know much about their ideologies but he knew that they support some Marxist thoughts. I dunno if you'd call them punk, they were a little heavier than any one else their, closer to metal I think but still not a bad band.
edit, they are still "up and coming" out of Phoenix, dunno if you'll find a whole lot on them, just puttin it out there.

[Paul R]

You could try my band Catalyst ;) also I would say Anto-Flag, Bad Religion and The Clash

[Bannockburn]

Dead Kennedys

Kill kill kill the poor. Great Band. War is coming back in style

I'm going to tell you a progressive, “punk” (even though they don't consider themselves punk” anarchist band. There underground, and not many people have heard of them. They are from Manitoba. They are called, Propagandhi They are great, and you should listen to them.

Their website is: http://www.propagandhi.com/news.shtml
Or you can go to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagandhi


Here are some lyrics to give you an idea:

From their second album: Less talk More Rock

...AND WE THOUGHT THAT NATION-STATES WERE A BAD IDEA
"publicly subsidized! privately profitable!" that's the anthem of the upper-tier (the puppeteer untouchable). we focus a moment, nod in approval and bury our head back in the bar-codes of these neo-colonials while our former nemesis (ah, the romance!): the nation-state, now plays fund-raiser for a new brand of power-concentrate. try again, but now we're confused- what is "class-war"? is this class war? yes, this is class war. and i'm just a kid- i can't believe that i gotta worry about this kind of shit! what a stupid world! yeah, this is just beautiful... absolutely no regard for principle. what a stupid world. (we're): 1) born 2) hired 3) disposed! where that job lands, everybody knows and you can tell by the smile on the ceo's that the environmental restraints are about to go. you can bet that laws will be set to ensure the benefit of unrestricted labor-laws (all kept in place by displaced government death squads). they own us. they produce us. they consume us. can you fucking believe this? what a stupid world. fuck this bullshit display of class-loyalties. the media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag- their fucking shit-rag. Hooray!


THE STATE-LOTTERY
does it seem strange to you? the confetti. the balloons. the mile-wide grins and the victory dance to welcome in the heir to a state of (utter and complete) disrepair? because it sure seems strange to me: they're acting like they won the fucking lottery! i mean, shouldn't they feel terror at the task that lies ahead: to feed and house the people that this system's left for dead. and could i have hit the nail much harder on the head? it's profits before lives. they are motivated by greed. first they taught us to depend on their nation-states to mend our tired minds, our broken bones, our bleeding limbs. but now they've sold off all the splints and contracted out the tourniquets and if we jump through hoops then we might just survive. is this what we deserve? to scrub the palace floors? to fight amongst ourselves? as we scramble for the crumbs they spit out, frothing at the mouth about the scapegoats that they've chosen for us. with every racist pointed finger i can hear the goose-steps getting closer. they no longer represent us so is it not our obligation to confront this tyranny?

From their first album: How to Clean Everything


STICK THE FUCKING FLAG UP YOUR GODDAM ASS, YOU SONOFA*****
my father told me "son, it's futile to resist, you can topple ideology but not the armies they enlist." i questioned the intentions of the boy scouts chanting war. "well that's the sound of freedom, son" he said. (free to say no more.) but wait a minute dad, did you actually say freedom? well, if you're dumb enough to vote, you're fuckin dumb enough to believe him. cuz if this country is so goddam free, then i can burn your fucking flag wherever i damn well please. i carried their anthem, convinces it was mine. rhymeless, unreasoned conjecture kept me in line. but then i stood back and wondered what the fuck had they done to me. made accomplice to all that i'd promised i would never fucking be. never be. you carry their anthem convinces that it's yours. invitation to honor. invitation to war. bette midler now assumes sainthood. romanticize murder for moral. tie a yellow ribbon round the oak tree my friend, and "gee wally, that's swell!" fuck the troops to hell!

From there last album: Today's Empire, Tomorrow's Ashes.


Fuck The Border
Friend of mine dropped me a line
"Man, gotta run to the USA.
Got no money, got no job."
Skipped out of Mexico to stay alive.
You've got a problem with her living here,
What d'you do to help her
Before she fucking came?
What did the country do?
What did the country do?
What did the people do?
What did the country do?
What did the people do?
I stand not by my country,
By people of the whole fucking world.
No fences, no borders.
Free movement for all.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
It's about fucking time to treat people with respect.
It's our culture, consumption that makes her life unbearable.
Fuck this country; its angry eyes, its knee-jerk hordes.
Legal or illegal,
Watch her fucking go.
She'll take what's hers.
Watch her fucking go. Yeah!
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.
Fuck the border.

Bullshit Politicians
Every fucking day
Our cities tell us what they think of justice.
Lock the courageous away
As the cowards plaster the cracks spreading through the monolith.
But if this man isn't freed, this city burns.
This city burns.
This city burns.
This city burns.
This city burns.
"And on this Day of Remembrance
Let us not kneel and pray for the dead.
But Let us stand and activate for the living,
To rescue those about to die"
(At the hands of)
Bullshit politicians;
Bloated pin-dick motherfuckers
Bullshit politicians;
Bow and curtsy to the seats of power.
We'll never learn and nothing will ever change
As we stay this course of followers and slaves.
I can't believe we're still content
Reshuffling the same old decks
Of kings and queens and faux-democracies.
I say we hand it back (to the)
Bullshit politicians.
Bullshit politicians.
Brick by brick,
Wall by wall...


New Homes For Idle Hands
Suburbs tremble again,
Fearing the have-nots at the window, collecting their fair share.
Guns and alarms aren't enough.
They demand "justice",
And every criminal locked away,
As well as any kid who might do something wrong.
There's a jail out of town
With fences so high
We won't think 'bout who's inside.
Neighbours are disappearing behind the bars.
Kids are doing time for petty crimes.
And it don't matter who they are.
It don't matter that they're alive.
A warehouse...
For victims of circumstance.
Cops are rounding up slaves;
Workers that don't complain or come late.
A workforce behind bars.
They'll make gadgets, circuit boards or fix cars.
It don't matter who they are.
It don't matter that they're alive.
Crime pays, ask the bankers floating bonds
To build cages for the city's "idle-hands”, instead of schools.
Factories with fences meet the prisons without walls.
"And we shall have your skulls."
They'll kick you to the ground.
You'll find yourself employed again.
On the inside.

[Bannockburn]

Another band which I forgot: A New York Band: Sick Of It All

[DUNKiNUTS]

What about Rage Against the Mechine? Rise Against is good.

[We'reTheFirstToDie]

Operation Ivy was a great leftist band.

Unity

There's a war going down between my brothers tonight,
I don't want no war going down, going down tonight.

Stop this war
Stop this war

Civilization? Ha! I call it as I see it.
I call it bullshit, you know, I still cannot believe it
Our evolution now has gone the way of hate
A world evolved resolved in this stupid fate

Stop this war
Stop this war

All so different yeah, I say we're all the same
All caught, you know, in the division game.
Self destruction fast impending like a bullet.
No one can stop it, once it's fired, no one can control it.

Stop this war
Stop this war

A final word, wait it's not a call to action
We ain't no sect, no, this ain't no fucking faction.
Unity, unity, unity you've heard it all before.
This time it's not exclusive - we want to stop a war.

Stop this war
Stop this war

Ain't nothing wrong with another unity song
Ain't nothing wrong with another unity song
Ain't nothing wrong
Ain't nothing wrong
Ain't nothing wrong
Ain't nothing wrong with a unity song

Stop this war
Stop this war

Unity, as one stand together
Unity, evolution's gonna come

[Freigemachten]

Ah that song makes me cringe. Check out Authority Zero, they are pretty cool. Pennywise is another good one, listen to God BLess the USA (i think thats what its called)

[violencia.Proletariat]

meh propaghandi isnt really 'underground' other than the sense that they arent signed to a major label, maybe they are? they are pretty well known. check out behind enemy lines, good crust punk band with good political lyrics.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:09 AM
Ah that song makes me cringe. Check out Authority Zero, they are pretty cool. Pennywise is another good one, listen to God BLess the USA (i think thats what its called)
Oh no not pennywise. These are the guys who asked that their song "fuck authority" be pulled off the air after 9/11.

[Djehuti]

http://guerilla.antifa.net/ <---- Some german AFA punk band, pretty decent.
A few songs can be downloaded at the site, and all lyrics can be read.

[Commie Rat]

GWARRRRRR, anti-flag sold-out

[Stokey]

I don&#39; think there were many socialist punk bands in the traditional sense. A few anarcho/political/left wing bands are:
Angelic Upstarts
The Beat
Billy Bragg
Choking Victim/Leftover Crack
Crass
Conflict
The Dils
Lost Cherees
Early Manic Street Preacers
MDC
Oi Polloi
The Oppressed (good anti fascist oi music)
Zounds

[randyinsurgence]

For some good revolutionary/anti-fascist music might I humbly suggest checking out Insurgence Records out of Canada, home to leading anti-fa outfits like The Oppressed, The Stage Bottles, Brigada Flores Magon, The Class Assassins, Fighting Chance, Union Made and more...you can click on the RadioBlog button to listen to some songs by some of the bands...

Insurgence Records (http://www.insurgence.net)

Cheers&#33;

[MeTaLhEaD]

Che Chapter 127

Me cago en Dios

Sin Dios

[el slug]

the SubhumanS, oi polloi, icons of filth , electro hippies,resist and exsist, crass conflict ,a // political, flux of pink indians , the dils

[Bazza]

Redskins (http://www.redskins.co.uk)