Gays should start their own Pink Panther Party

[resisting arrest with violence]

Everyone knows that gays are not treated with respect and like Matthew Shepherd are sometimes brutalized and killed by sick-minded individuals. Gays should form their own self-support groups like the Black Panthers carrying shotguns and "observing" the rednecks and hillbillies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepherd

[lennonist-leninist]

I yes gays are not trated with the respect everyone deserves. And even though it is horrably wrong to commit any hate crimes agianst people for what thay are. But i dont see how homosexuals starting a party like the blck panthers. This would not only lead to more murders and killing. But i also dont know what gays would actually think of this idea. But that was just my opinion.

[The Feral Underclass]

Being gay, I don't particularly like the idea of creating a party which creates an us and them mentality. Working along side straight workers to end capitalism will lead to and end of hate politics. Unity within a united movement is what we want, not ghettoised groups seperate to the world.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Yeah agree with the "tension" here, but on the other hand I do feel that if particular groups (minorities, women, gays) feel discriminated that they should start up groups within the larger radical movement to fight against heterosexual, male and/or white chauvanism in the radical movement.

[Martin Blank]

As I recall, the Pink Panthers already exist (or existed). I remember them organizing community self-defense in the late-1980s and early-1990s in San Francisco and some other places. You may want to Google this and see what comes up.

Miles

[Anarchist Freedom]

We shouldnt start a group for everything we find wrong. It creates confusion also it is a waste of time. Instead start groups that are for unification of all.

[communicate.]

Yes, there was/is already a pink panthers group, I know for sure that their is a sector active in montreal (les pantheres roses).

I think that unity is important, yet I have found that in a lot of communities, people who are not faced with the daily discrimination and oppression through homophobia and heterosexism fail to see and fully comprehend why dealing with this stuff is so important.

in fact I have witnessed a lot of homophobia, transphobia, sexism, and heterosexism within anarchist and/or leftist communities.


just my experience as a queer womyn.

[Camarada]

I think there was a group like that in the '70s ... Gay Liberation Front?

I found this site:

http://www.gayliberation.org/

The Gay Liberation Network

looks very good.

It describes itself as a "a Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Direct Action Group"

if you wanna start a socialist-specific group:

Gay Socialist Party

or something

[Martin Blank]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 02:57 AM
I think there was a group like that in the '70s ... Gay Liberation Front?

I found this site:

http://www.gayliberation.org/

The Gay Liberation Network

looks very good.

It describes itself as a "a Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Direct Action Group"

if you wanna start a socialist-specific group:

Gay Socialist Party

or something
Back in the days of the GLF (early 1970s), there was an explicitly gay and lesbian communist organization: Red Butterfly. This was because, at that time, no organization calling itself communist was willing to open their doors to them -- especially if they were "out".

Both the CPUSA and the SWP/USA purged their gay and lesbian members because of their sexuality. Both organizations taunted and ridiculed their gay members, demanded they get married and be "normal", accused them of having "petty-bourgeois deviations", etc. The CPUSA finally changed their position on LGBT rights in the mid-1990s, after a couple of fights (mainly taking place in the YCL).

Miles

[aryan88knight]

I personly think gays are trying to fit in normaly and not be treated difrently so by creating sutch a group i think would just atract alot of unwanted attention to them and probably do more harm than good.
Anyways it not like gays are currently being treated unequaly, infact they are having history rewriten just to fit them in "fairly"

Why not be happy with the success that the gay "community" already has? they are protected by law, have been allowed to marry, and have there own day and parade, not only that but there are streets that are completly dedicated to homosexuality, there are flags and pins and all other forms of media that support there life style, why push it? no pun intended

aryan88knight

[MoscowFarewell]

Being bisexual with a variety of gay friends, I know a party wouldn't work to well. The only thing we really have going for us is, 1. We can defend ourselves and 2. Witty comebacks. Otherwise, we just blend in and don't flaunt what we got, and we if do, make sure we won't get harmed for it.

[guerillablack]

Ridiculous.

There is a gun club called Pink Pistols.

[Donnie]

I don't believe that they should start their own group or party. Instead as TAT and Non-Sectarian Bastard said they should work closely with the class struggle movement. People of all oppressed natures need to unite and organise against the system not be separated. That’s how the ruling class wants it; they use the tactic of "divide and rule". The government and the Upper class like to pit man against women, gay against straight, black against white and worker against worker.

We need to organise that is the fundamental idea we need in order to beat off our oppressors.

[Organic Revolution]

hmm... so they can further segragate themselves? i figure if everyone went around makeing a party about things they didnt like shit would start getting a little hectic on the left. i think that they should unify themselves with radical groups such as the black bloc (or just members) ARA or the like. they shouldnt make a party to further segragte themselves from movements.

[danny android]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 20 2005, 11:22 PM
hmm... so they can further segragate themselves? i figure if everyone went around makeing a party about things they didnt like shit would start getting a little hectic on the left. i think that they should unify themselves with radical groups such as the black bloc (or just members) ARA or the like. they shouldnt make a party to further segragte themselves from movements.
Yes the left is definitly devided enouf as it is, that is (in my opinion) the reasons why we don't accomplish a lot sometimes. We need to unite. All opressed people must unite under one banner someday.

[MyWorld559-760]

my friends grandfather was a Black Panther he said it was a disrespet to the Black Panthers he is not antigay his wife has a niece that is a lesbain

[TC]

I think though the reason why things like the Black Panthers work and a gay version would probably not is that, correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think gays are typically ghettoized in any large numbers. There are districts in cities that have a high concentration of gays like Greenwich village NYC, the Castro Sanfransisco, ect. but i don't think that those represent anywhere near the percentile of gay population as black ghettos represent of the black population...since homosexuality isn't hereditary and gays are born everywhere.

Maybe i don't know what i'm talking about, but i'm also sort of under the impression that while the police used to target homosexuals, most western gays don't view themselves as being target by the authorities in the way blacks were and are (gays are only targeted by religious radicals who are not in power).

I think that, at least in the current culture or what you get from it from the media, the organized gay communities tend to be one of the political interests groups with the greatest dislike of violence, guns, militia organizations, and stuff that redneck hicks as well as a certain black media culture are much more into.

So in other words, it would be hard to organize, a hard sell to the 'homosexual community', and maybe not nessessary.

Of course, urban working class and underclass gays could organize into more 'militant' type 'black panther' like organizations but it would be an issue of concentration numbers, again from an organizing perspective.