New world order

[Red Robe Majere]

i dont know about you but i have heard it like from my dad. the stuff i hear from my dad is very anti-communist now i dont know if there is differnt versions of it. i doubt if it is ture but do you think it is just anti-communist bullshit

P.S. i didnt know where to put this move it if you wish also my dad barley belives most of it.

[KC]

New World Order is illuminati garbage.

[Red Robe Majere]

yeah i bet it is i made this thread just because i never hear any NWO stuff on revleft so i decided to bring it up

[danny android]

All I know is that the new world order is on the back of Amerkkkan money in latin. This was fraze often used by Hitler aswell. Creepy huh.

[Redvolution]

Actually it says Novus Ordo Seclorum which is latin for New Secular Order, and less than an inch to the upper-right is IN GOD WE TRUST.

It really does make you think...

[Severian]

Secular is Latin for "worldly", so Novus Ordo Seclorum probably could be translated New Order of the World. And the American Revolution did in fact contribute greatly to remaking the order of the world. Not so many absolute monarchies any more, y'know.

But the whole thing going around nowadays is right-wing conspiracy-theory nonsense, as some posters have said.

There is a U.S.-dominated world order now, which was put together coming out of WWII, by the victors. World orders historically have often been put together by rising imperialist powers.

After the first Gulf War, Bush Sr. made some comment about how the unity of the so-called international community behind that war showed that a 'new world order' was beginning. But he was full of crap, as the disunity around the second Gulf War showed.

The U.S. is a declining, not a rising, imperialist power. We're seeing the Old World Order come apart, not a new one being created.

[Andy Bowden]

How can the US be considered a declining power, now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and the US has invaded Iraq?

[Clarksist]

The Illumaniti also uses the Anarchist Order sign.

Fuckers.

[codyvo]

I really don't know how much of those conspiracies are true but it is very scary to imagine. I do believe that some world superpowers organized 9/11 and the recent attacks in London but it is hard to tell what is true and not.

[Hiero]

You can look at the New World Order as a conspricay, or look at it as the term giving to the neo conservative/ neo liberal movement in washington and its lackey states.

The idea that the Western rich nations have the right and responsibility to promote multiparty democracy and the neo liberal model on countries it sees as dictatorships.

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

I've said this hundreds of times, and will probably do so for hundreds more, but the Illuminati (or whatever group) that is behind the so called New World Order must be one powerful, yet, "good" group.

Many who believes in the Illuminati also think they were behind the revolutions in France and in Russia - as well as the American revolution. But these revolutions didn't end up in a more totalitarian state - on the contrary, the revolutions led to better systems (granted they were not communist, but better than feodalism).

If they truly were "evil", then why didn't they prevent these revolutions?

Same thing with 9/11. Before the attack, globalization went underway in a quiet, silent phase. After 9/11, the US went from globalization to militariaism and stronger imperialism - drawing more attention towards itself. Now that the US government takes steps to reduce people's freedoms in America, more attention is being focused on the government, since (obviously), these change of law affects every "normal" man and woman.

Maybe 9/11 was the beginning of the end for the world's largest imperial nation? Only time will tell.

[bunk]

The Illuminati is supposed to have funded the Nazis in Germany though and helped the rise of hitler

[Severian]

No. Unfortunately, the Illluminati were broken up by government repression in the 18th century, so they certainly didn't do anything at all in the 20th. I say unfortunately because they advocated revolutionary democratic ideas. The good news is, those ideas lived on and did help inspire the French Revolution and others bourgeois-democratic revolutions.
A tiny bit of history. (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/illuminati.html)

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Andy Bowden wrote: " How can the US be considered a declining power, now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and the US has invaded Iraq?"

They invaded Iraq out of weakness, not strength: for 12 years they tried to overthrow one unpopular, tinpot tyrant, a former tool, by every other means at their disposal....and failed. So they had to organize a major invasion and occupation using a major part of their military strength...against one Thrid World country. With no guarantee that the new neocolonial regime will be any more stable or obedient than the old one was (though at least it will be a U.S. and not a mostly-French client regime.) The days of "gunboat diplomacy" with just a couple gunboats, or small British armies marching unstoppably through Asian and African countries...are over.

Of course, no other imperialist power could have done it at all, so the U.S. remains the "indispensible nation" as Madeleine Albright put it or the "hyperpower" as Chirac said.

The collapse of the Soviet Union also contributes to the situation where they have to police the world by direct military force; they can't do it anymore by deals with the Kremlin, which would use its influence over workers' parties, national liberation movements, and nationalist regimes to maintain "detente".

Inevitably, Washington will overextend and overexhaust itself. But it has little other alternative.

[jvs]

The Illuminati is supposed to have funded the Nazis in Germany though and helped the rise of hitler


you read too much dan brown

[Seeker]

Hitler had a fascination with the occult. He perverted many teachings, and was not picky about where he drew material from. For example, the swastika outdates the Nazis by thousands of years. I think it was first used by dark(er) skinned people to represent the sun.

Symbols of the Illuminati are packed with occult teachings. For example, The All Seeing Eye is on the back of the US $1 bill on top of a pyramid, and the number associated with them, 322, is synonymous with 233, the 13th step of the Fibonacci Sequence. Egypt's Great Pyramids are positioned in relation to each other according to ratios derived from the Fibonacci Sequence.

Leonardo DaVinci's Vitruvian Man, my avatar, was painted using these ratios as well.

The upper wedge of the pyramid in which the Eye is located is referred to in Masonic text as "the stone which the builders refused". Laze-fare Capitalism is a lot like a giant pyramid scheme, and this shows the Illuminati would have rejected the upper echelons of it. So not only were they somewhat libertarian as mentioned above, but also leftist.



The association with Hitler is casual.



If you would like to read the "conspiracy" the "New World Order" is planning, you can read it on their website: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[bunk]

Regardless of the illuminati, US companies invested early on in Nazi Germany, IBM made the punch cards that were used to organise the concentration camps and Coca cola invented Fanta in Nazi Germany.

I saw a program on the illuminati and that their supposed to be connected to the Bilder Burgers, and their was also footage of Tony Blair and the President arriving before Blair was elected in 1997