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The Feral Underclass
9th July 2005, 12:39
Friday 1st to Monday 4th

I'm not going to go into a deep analysis of what went on at the G8 or at the Eco-village but so that people can understand generally what happened, I can share some of my experiences and name some of the problems I thought contributed to what was largely a successful event.

The Make Poverty History march was, quite frankly, a farce. The march was headed by a Roman Catholic Cardinal. The largest radical organisation there was CWI with many Scottish Socialist Youth selling their papers and giving out literature. The Anarchist Federation had a stall at the beginning of the event and was continually harassed by the Police who would circle the stall and ask impertinent questions.

There was a very small anarchist presence. There were several IWW members and other individual anarchist communists but our flags paled into insignificance next to the 'Christian Aid banners.' It wasn't the day for anarchism and in the end, although we joined the march, we decided it had been a waste of time. Black Bloc did attend the march. There were about 100 of them, but they were ketteled by the police before they could do anything and detained for 4 hours. The march went on with all the Christians and liberal Trade Unions with our chants of 'Make Religion History' going largely un-noticed.

The Eco- Village was a large old land fill site underneath the Wallace Monument. The organisation into logistics was quite remarkable with working groups being organised and co-ordinated to take on different tasks. The site operated using consensus, so although meetings could often be many and long, the unity and debate it created was inspirational and simply reinforces my belief that anarchism does and can work.

Each area was broken down into "Barrios" which is a nostalgic reference to the uprising in Argentina. Rather pretentious I thought, but nevertheless, each area or affinity group tended to have their area. The Barrio's had their own kitchens and entertainment and the administration of the barrio and site was done through meetings daily. These meetings would then see a delegate elected to attend the Site wide Spokes council meeting who would then come back and feed the information to their area, in this way we could get a consensus.

On larger issues such as site defence, open blockades and of course with the situation we found ourselves in after Wednesday, there would be open site wide meetings. The idea of consensus for me is not the best way to get things done and I saw meetings sometimes become hard to manage and energy dissipate because of their length, that's not to say that the buzz and vibe in the meetings was not there. They brought and connected people and I think it generally worked well.

On Monday, the Carnival for Full enjoyment, as most probably saw from the papers [I only saw the Scottish ones] that it caused violence and ended with a large contingency of that demonstration ketteled into Princes Street park for 3 hours.

I hold no illusions about Black Bloc, they are what they are and they have no shame in showing it. I have enormous respect for the insurrectionary anarchists who refused to bow down to the fluffy pacifist autocracy that managed to rear its leadership in the last days of the event. I want to make that clear because I want to make it clear I fully support the tactics they used at this event

The police began the day by trying to assert their authority and had no intention in allowing our demonstration to happen the way we wanted. The police split the march in half from the beginning. The first half was allowed to proceed after they passed a certain point the police lined the street and allowed the second half of the march to continue. This was the half I was in. Once we had got round where the other half had gone, the police formed a stronger line; Black Bloc had come to the carnival solely to confront the police. They had organised and were ready. This is what they did. At this point the line of police drew their batons and as we [of course not everyone] charged the line they began to smack out. Although the Bloc had prepared some defences they were not enough to stop people from getting seriously injured. I didn't get hit, but my friend did and there were several people taken away to hospital, including a police man.

I would like to point out now, that the police had began the day by arresting all the people in the Dissent Organised medics van and targeted the medics at the march. They would see their orange medic crosses and then lifted them out of the march, so that if protesters were hurt, they would have to rely on the police medics or the discretion of the police to allow the ambulances in. This meant, and led to, the police refusing treatment to protesters.

The line charged. We ran back and then charged forward, they charged forward and a stand off continued for about an hour. The police horses then came, but were scared off and refused to charge the line of protestors, and then the riot police came and formed three lines supported by vans at both ends of Princes Street. They moved forward about 5 meters at a time and met some resistance, mostly taunting.

Then, what led us to be ketteled in the park was 5 police officers attempted to lift someone from out of it, so when we saw the person trying to be arrested we ran into the park, this allowed the lines of police to move around the entrances. Although the officers got pelted with flowers the man was still arrested and carried off.

After being in the park for 3 hours we were allowed to leave without being searched or having to identify ourselves. The black Bloc at the business quarter was not so lucky. They were ketteled into a street for hours and then could only leave one by one after giving name and address.

Now, for all those people who want to jump on the fluffy liberal bourgeois **** of a band wagon about the Black Bloc, I will say this. Their tactics are not designed to create any lasting change. They do not want to convince the workers of their arguments, there whole mission at this event was to confront and irritate the police. In this, they have been extremely successful and I commend them for it.

Wednesday 6th

Tuesday was used for preparation and the day was mainly taken up by meetings in order for everyone to be co-ordinated and organised.

Wednesday I was involved in a blockade in Edinburgh, it was apart of an affinity group. It was successful and actually had a paragraph in the papers. The main blockades were on the A9 which were extremely effective. Although the main objective to shut down the G8 was not realised, many blockades by many people were able to disrupt and delay the meeting for hours.

In Edinburgh, three activists stood in the road and locked on in front of buses full of Japanese delegates and managed to delay them by 30 minutes. For three activists to do that is quite amazing. There were also blockades in Glasgow and in Actarader where thousands of police where helicoptered by Chinooks to keep relieving the police having the pull demonstrators out of fields and off the motorway where they had locked on and laid down to stop buses from getting to the meeting.

Many tactics were used, but violence was kept down, except from the police who waded into crowds batons and shields flying shouting and abusing people. The 'Black Bloc's action was not a success as far as I’m aware but some confrontation did happen.

Thursday 7th to Friday 8th

The police were very pissed off after Wednesday. We had caused allot of trouble and they were ready to kick us off the site. Meetings were quickly arranged to organise Site defence and different strategies were formed, of which I was apart.

On Wednesday night riot police turned up at the site and surrounded us. They had invoked Section 60. They claimed we were a threat to the public. At this point we feared that they would attempt to get into the camp and it was decided that we would defend ourselves. First through non-violent resistance and then Black Bloc and the other insurrectionary anarchists to defend if that had not worked.

Throughout Thursday we were not allowed to leave the camp. In an open site meeting it was discussed to attempt to resist the fact the police had detained us into the camp and refused to allow us to march. The consensus here was to have non-violent protest and although people, including me, attempt to argue that we were in the midst of state repression, the consensus ended up being that we would not violently resist the police or attempt to break through their lines.

When the news came through about the attacks in London, the fluffy brigade began calls to abandon the G8 and have a silent vigil in support of the victims. Talk about statements signed by Barrios and affinity groups would sign. The meeting became more and more dominated by pacifists and liberals and in the end a neutral statement with no substance or overt reference to the reason we were there was decided on. Fortunately our Barrio didn't put its name down on the statement.

The meeting then talked about support from Members of the Scottish Parliament to offer their support. At this point the pacifists, who won general consensus again had divided the camp into tactical divisions and made the gathering take an ideological position on violence. There was a refusal to resist the repression of the state and now they wanted MP's to support what "we" were doing, even though we had been condemned as violent thugs by some of them the night before.

The insurrectionary anarchists became increasingly marginalised and nothing materialised into anything worth while. As of Thursday the energy had gone and people began to leave the camp. There was a party in Glasgow that went very well, but because of the terrorist attacks and the pacifist invasion, the G8 defiance very quickly disappeared.

The European insurrectionary anarchists we also outraged by the moderation of apparent "radicals" because of a terrorist explosion. In stark contrast to the libcom.org statement given out, which the AF signed, these fluffists completely de-politicised themselves in order to appear consolidatory to the authorities. It was disturbing to watch.

Now it's Saturday and I’m in Stirling with comrades and we will have to see what happens next.

Severian
9th July 2005, 12:52
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
At this point the line of police drew their batons and as we [of course not everyone] charged the line they began to smack out.
I'm guessing that "of course" "everyone" had to participate in the fight you started, though. Whether or not the majority had come there intending to have such a fight, or prepared for it. Right?

The Feral Underclass
9th July 2005, 12:55
Originally posted by Severian+Jul 9 2005, 12:52 PM--> (Severian @ Jul 9 2005, 12:52 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
At this point the line of police drew their batons and as we [of course not everyone] charged the line they began to smack out.
I'm guessing that "of course" "everyone" had to participate in the fight you started, though. Whether or not the majority had come there intending to have such a fight, or prepared for it. Right? [/b]
Yes.

And let's get something quite clear here. The starting has already happened. The creation of capitalism and the tools used by the state to control our society use violence and repression on us daily!

Severian
9th July 2005, 13:06
Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jul 9 2005, 05:55 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jul 9 2005, 05:55 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 12:52 PM

The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
At this point the line of police drew their batons and as we [of course not everyone] charged the line they began to smack out.
I'm guessing that "of course" "everyone" had to participate in the fight you started, though. Whether or not the majority had come there intending to have such a fight, or prepared for it. Right?
Yes. [/b]
So, when you say "anti-authoritarian", you mean treating people like sheep and corralling them into confrontations they didn't and wouldn't choose. IMO they reason they wouldn't is cause most people have more sense than you do.

It's no accident it's the "Black Bloc", not the "Black March". If you wanted to do it on your own, whatever. But y'all know perfectly well few people would join your pointless little street fights of their own free will. So you rope them in against their will.


And let's get something quite clear here. The starting has already happened. The creation of capitalism and the tools used by the state to control our society use violence and repression on us daily!

Rhetoric. From your own account of events, you set out to have a confrontation with the cops and you started one.

bunk
9th July 2005, 13:16
There must have been a way to hit and run. I think you should have showered the cops with missiles and then maybe charged them once. From there wherever you can run is where you go. Or if the position was unretreatable the black block should not have gone that way as they were not strong enough to fight their way out of being surrounded by the cops.

The Feral Underclass
9th July 2005, 13:40
I've updated what I wrote. I will write an indepth analysis of what happened, including the Black Bloc tactics.

The Feral Underclass
9th July 2005, 13:43
Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 01:06 PM
It's no accident it's the "Black Bloc", not the "Black March". If you wanted to do it on your own, whatever. But y'all know perfectly well few people would join your pointless little street fights of their own free will. So you rope them in against their will.
The very same people who then called upon the insurrectionary anarchists to help defend the site.

The people on the march were not against direct action, they simply choose a different form. The Clowns were equally as provocative and confrontational, only when they start hitting us with batons, we fight back!


Rhetoric. From your own account of events, you set out to have a confrontation with the cops and you started one.

Which is wholly justified.

slim
9th July 2005, 14:27
AT did not force anyone into action. They were forced the the conditions the police imposed upon them ie. provocation or batons.

OleMarxco
9th July 2005, 14:55
You all crazy should learn y'all tactic's to get an emergency exit out of your "camp" of "HQ" in-case of happenin's such as'rat, surrounded by the burgerouise-servants. HAH! Well, you kno' what I mean; Alternative exit's. Howhabouta secret ladder downstairs to some underground tunnel so the bulk of ye're members can leave and do whatever you want, coming up somewhere else, and only a "skeleton-crew" stands left to pretend ye're still there, in "house-arrest" - Whaddya think 'bout it? :P

bunk
9th July 2005, 15:18
The WTO is being held in Hong Kong later this year. Does anyone know whether there are well organised activist groups in China and Hong Kong who are planning to do anything?

More Fire for the People
9th July 2005, 17:36
It's no accident it's the "Black Bloc", not the "Black March". If you wanted to do it on your own, whatever. But y'all know perfectly well few people would join your pointless little street fights of their own free will. So you rope them in against their will.
If the revolution is not fought on the streets, where do you suggest we figh it?
I think this really represents that "pacifist" are really reformist.

BOZG
9th July 2005, 18:36
I tried calling the number you gave me a while back TAT but got no answer. I was hoping to get to meet you. I did get to meet Reuben though, really nice guy.

I'm not going to go into the tactics of the Black Bloc in general, I've raised points about them before but I will point out that there were groups of anarchists actually blocking protestors from getting near Gleneagles and Auchterarder which was of no use to anyone, other than inflating their own egos. The ridiculous excuses given were that they had planned either to prevent the main delegates from arriving, who would have all been flown in, or to prevent food supplies, which were already in there, from getting there.


If the revolution is not fought on the streets, where do you suggest we figh it?

This was not a revolution nor are revolutions fought by a few hundred people dressed in black.

The Feral Underclass
9th July 2005, 18:46
My mobile phone was turned off for the most part. I met Donnie though. I would have liked to have met Reuben.

slim
9th July 2005, 18:50
Well said BOZG.

Anarchism cannot amass the strength and support for a revolution. Neither can any other ideology of the people with mass support in mind. We must fight together in the common interest of anti-capitalism and the end of fascist potential.

YKTMX
9th July 2005, 19:35
Looking at your photo BOZG, I think you may have given me a leaflet for the CWI? Were you there with them? I was tall and wearing a red t-shirt with lenin on it, no?

This is in Auchterader.



As for whole DA thing, as a start it's worth just noting how bad the Police were. The riot cops are clearly an intimidatory force, they are designed for combat and to create fear, nothing more. Having said that, I simply can't support "autonomous" violence. It is unproductive and even counter-productive and it is elitist. We won't win by violence, in that game we'll always come second best. When we're at our strongest we are unified and organised.

BOZG
9th July 2005, 22:30
Yeah, I remember handing someone in a Lenin t-shirt a CWI leaflet but I can't remember the face particularly well. I was busy thinking "I wish I could find a Lenin t-shirt somewhere"!!!

A good picture of our CWI contingent (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2005/07/02/edinburgh350.jpg)

There's a few more out there of us too. I'm in the centre about 3/4 of the way down holding the Socialist Youth banner.

Severian
10th July 2005, 00:01
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
There was a party in Glasgow that went very well, but because of the terrorist attacks and the pacifist invasion, the G8 defiance very quickly disappeared.

The European insurrectionary anarchists we also outraged by the moderation of apparent "radicals" because of a terrorist explosion.
A terrorist attack like that tends to create a more serious situation, where actions have more immediate and drastic consequences. In that situation, some people who otherwise might be inclined to join or tolerate your games, begin thinking more seriously.

Donnie
10th July 2005, 00:40
I thought the G8 summit was a bit "bland", I thought I would get to see more action.
I mean I went to Edinborough on the Monday with a group of anarchists, I think we had like 6-7 people our group.
Anyway as soon as we got the train station in Stirling one of the members in our group was "piged" as he was a known face. When we got into Edinborough we were very late and the march had started so we waited a bit until the march got up to us at the top end of Princes Street. But it didn't so we walked down and riot police had already been deployed so we scoped round the area contemplating on weather it was worth jumping, but instead we didn't due to the fact that a few of our comrades had bladder problems lol. So we went off and looked for a pub.
Anyway we found a pub going by the name of "dirty dick", one of the members in our group saw that it was a fascist pub because he saw a guy wearing a swastika on his shirt with the words "fatherland" on it. So we pegged it to another pub. We downed a pint and then herd that there was some action kicking off so we ran down the street and saw that riot police were deployed. By this time most of the members in our group started masking up using bandanna and scarfs. So I slapped on my sonic dark blue scarf and put my hood up. We ran through the public crowd that had gathered to see what was happening, lots of people were empting from the pubs to take a look and we were the only ones who looked suspicious because we were the only ones in black kind of.
Anyway we were right at the front facing the riot police and to be fair I was worried that I would get my ass beaten by some riot cops because we were the only people blacked out in the crowd. Then suddenly on the other side of the road we saw the cops batten charging protestors on the other side of the road.
At this moment I was completely "bricking" my self, but I stayed with my group at the front. Anyway the cops on the other side were what looked liked it getting ready to baton charge our side. I was like wtf? There are only 6-7 of us the rest were civilians and families. One guy in our group made a quick decision and said we should tell as many families/people behind us to move quickly because they looked like they were ready to baton charge our side. One of the guys in our group led us up a side alley and we decided in a short collective decision that we would move the big movable rubbish bins in front of the police to stop them from charging at the people.
But it turned out we had been piged by one of the riot police, one of the riot police must have notified the metropolitan police of our presence because they came down the alley for us. Luckily we got away somehow.
Of course we didn't piss off back to the Eco-camp. Instead we did the logical thing and went to the nearest pub and hid. Somehow we bumped in to two anti-fash members and they went to the pub with us. We told them about the fash pub and the two anti-fash members wanted to get more people and raid it.
But we didn't instead we herd stuff was going down outside the Edinborough University, so we went up there but it was too late so we went back to the train station and went back to camp

I went to the Make Poverty History march with my local social center and we ended up hanging around the Anarchist Table. TAT was there but I didn't know it was him at the time. But I handed out the resistance bulletin on the march because we offered to help.
I didn't actually join the march, because I didn't see much point, besides I didn't want to be seen hanging around with a bunch of smooth arse Christians. That’s what I did Friday to Monday.
Oh I did go the Anarchist Assembly which was held at the Edinborough University where we discussed tactics for the blockades. I couldn't hear much because many of the people were speaking at a very low level, besides it was very hot and I had cramp in my legs from sitting down on the floor. Although one thing did cheer me up, we found out that a journalist was in the room. The Journalist was Andrew Gillingham. Well anyway you can imagine what happened.

I did do some other so called "revolutionary" stuff like walking in the fields getting ready to blockade the A9. Anyway I spent the night in a field sleeping next to a French Nihilist offering me Rum and Pate at 4am in the morning. Of course I took the Rum but not the pate.
Although we never got to block the A9 because we got caught by the police and detained by the police under a "section 14"

I can't really remember what else I did that was action orientated. Oh I did some night watch at the gate at the Eco-Camp, but I must have feel asleep for like 15 minuets at the gate which was a bit bad. Although there were other people at the gate, so it wasn't too bad.
In total I got detained by the police 8 times. The first was for trespassing (luckily I wasn’t arrested for some reason)

CIRCA pissed me off allot while I was up at the G8 summit.

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 11:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 12:01 AM
A terrorist attack like that tends to create a more serious situation
So you think moderating your politics to consolidate the authorities and the media, without any political message is more serious that resisting the G8?


where actions have more immediate and drastic consequences.

These terrorist acts are the consequences of capitalism and imperialism and the message should be to resist those things; not to write a neutral press release.


In that situation, some people who otherwise might be inclined to join or tolerate your games, begin thinking more seriously.

Please don't talk as if you understand or know anything about the ideas or tactics of the insurrectionary anarchists. You have no concept of what goes on within those circles or how they organise themselves or to what end.

Patronising them is just an extension of the bourgeois bullshit that mainstream media create. You're just jumping on a ruling class bandwagon, which is no suprise really.

Thomas
10th July 2005, 12:08
Very good read, nice to see so many comrades got up there.

Shame I couldn't go, would have been nice to get more involved.

Donnie
10th July 2005, 13:57
I was a bit annoyed that I had not been conculted by people on my campsite about putting forward a press statement. The only thing I herd in the meeting was a march in solidarity for the individuals that had died, not a press statement.

Dissent speaks for no one but some liberal pacifist thought otherwise <_<

Also as this other anarchist said it was quiet sick us making a press statement about the London Attacks because it was trying to use the terrorist attacks to benefit us by basically saying that most of us have done bad stuff and that where making up for it by putting forward our condolences. This made me feel that some people in our camp were basically saying that in our movement there are "good" people and "bad" people.
Also I never agreed to partake in working with the media and authorities, but it seemed people did not give a shit about what me or the others felt.
It just goes to show how people turn soft at the last minuet. I don&#39;t want to be working with people who are not all the way committed to resisting capitalism and the state.

Yes I know the terrorist attacks were tragic, individuals were killed and that is very unfortunate, but it seemed to me that people in my camp were more concerned with the idea that it was a terrorist attack on our nation. This obviously showed an essence of nationalism in people which I did not like.

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 14:57
The press statement was written, but only those barrio&#39;s that wanted to sign it, signed it. Leeds/Sheffield didn&#39;t sign it.

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 15:40
I forgot to mention. On Sunday 3rd July a the Large Anarchist Assembly to discuss tactics, Andrew Gilligan was discovered in the audience. He was forcibly removed and had his note pad and papers confiscated.

YKTMX
10th July 2005, 15:46
Haha, not a new recruit I presume?

Forward Union
10th July 2005, 18:15
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 11:39 AM
The largest radical organisation there was CWI with many Scottish Socialist Youth selling their papers and giving out literature.
haha I was helping out the CWI, and out of boredom I went to their rally in some pub afterwards...I feel so unclean....so very unclean... :P

And on that note I must ask why you didn&#39;t answer your phone that day&#33; I rang you twice&#33;

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 18:31
You didn&#39;t call me. If you did then it was turned off, which it was for a large part of the week.

Why are you getting involved with CWI if you&#39;re an anarchist? The AF had a stall there.

Donnie
10th July 2005, 18:47
There were far too many crusties at the Eco-Camp. And I was getting fed up of vegan food so I smuggled in some pork pies lol.

I went to the Gleneagles march, which was cancelled at first but then was back on.
The G8 alt march was ok because we had a sound system playing drum and base which was really good. Although the march was stopped because people started taking the fences apart.

I felt that a lot of the Trots during the G8 summit where all talk and no action. I mean they just sat on street corners yapping and recruiting people. No action what so ever.

YKTMX
10th July 2005, 18:54
I felt that a lot of the Trots during the G8 summit where all talk and no action. I mean they just sat on street corners yapping and recruiting people. No action what so ever.


Define "action".

spartafc
10th July 2005, 22:08
Ah yes, the police and various &#39;anarchists&#39; beating the shit out of each other in a field in Scotland - very revolutionary, comrades&#33; Both seemed to enjoy a good punch up.

I enjoyed the week anyhow.

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 22:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 10:08 PM
Ah yes, the police and various &#39;anarchists&#39; beating the shit out of each other in a field in Scotland - very revolutionary, comrades&#33; Both seemed to enjoy a good punch up.

I enjoyed the week anyhow.
I don&#39;t think that&#39;s a very good analysis at all.

Severian
10th July 2005, 22:30
Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Jul 10 2005, 04:10 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Jul 10 2005, 04:10 AM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 12:01 AM
A terrorist attack like that tends to create a more serious situation
So you think moderating your politics to consolidate the authorities and the media, without any political message is more serious that resisting the G8? [/b]
No. I haven&#39;t seen their statement so obviously I have no idea what I think of it. I think you know what I meant: ultraleft tactics are silly games, and in a more serious situation, most people stop playing them. There was a period after 9/11 in the U.S., where it seemed to stop completely.

The Feral Underclass
10th July 2005, 22:35
Originally posted by Severian+Jul 10 2005, 10:30 PM--> (Severian @ Jul 10 2005, 10:30 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 10 2005, 04:10 AM

[email protected] 10 2005, 12:01 AM
A terrorist attack like that tends to create a more serious situation
So you think moderating your politics to consolidate the authorities and the media, without any political message is more serious that resisting the G8?
No. I haven&#39;t seen their statement so obviously I have no idea what I think of it. I think you know what I meant: ultraleft tactics are silly games, and in a more serious situation, most people stop playing them. There was a period after 9/11 in the U.S., where it seemed to stop completely. [/b]
Please stop using the word game, it&#39;s just an attempt to be patronising and to de-politicise a tactic which has a set defined ideological objective.

BOZG
10th July 2005, 22:43
Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 10 2005, 05:15 PM
haha I was helping out the CWI, and out of boredom I went to their rally in some pub afterwards...I feel so unclean....so very unclean... :P
I couldn&#39;t get into the meeting, the room was too full so I just sat outside on the street.

Severian
10th July 2005, 23:33
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
Now, for all those people who want to jump on the fluffy liberal bourgeois **** of a band wagon about the Black Bloc, I will say this. Their tactics are not designed to create any lasting change. They do not want to convince the workers of their arguments, there whole mission at this event was to confront and irritate the police. In this, they have been extremely successful and I commend them for it.
That&#39;s from TAT&#39;s first post. Real serious "set defined ideological objective", huh?

Donnie
11th July 2005, 00:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 05:54 PM

I felt that a lot of the Trots during the G8 summit where all talk and no action. I mean they just sat on street corners yapping and recruiting people. No action what so ever.


Define "action".
Well lets face it sitting on a street corner recruiting people is no threat to capitalism or the state especially at an event like the G8 summit, It may be a threat to the capitalists in like 20 years time when you have built up a substantial movement. But I personally believe that we need to start threatening the system now, not in 20 years time.

Black Block on the other hand was at least trying to agitate things and set things in motion. But then again that&#39;s my view, I&#39;m not a person for sitting around and recruiting people, I want to be out in the field making things difficult for the authorities and the capitalists. I don&#39;t believe recruiting people on a street especially when we have such a rare moment to challenge the authorities and the capitalist system directly. I mean I’m for recruiting people on normal days but not on such a big event like the G8 summit. The G8 summit should be dedicated to direct action and resistance not recruiting people.

The Feral Underclass
11th July 2005, 11:39
Originally posted by Severian+Jul 10 2005, 11:33 PM--> (Severian @ Jul 10 2005, 11:33 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 05:39 AM
Now, for all those people who want to jump on the fluffy liberal bourgeois **** of a band wagon about the Black Bloc, I will say this. Their tactics are not designed to create any lasting change. They do not want to convince the workers of their arguments, there whole mission at this event was to confront and irritate the police. In this, they have been extremely successful and I commend them for it.
That&#39;s from TAT&#39;s first post. Real serious "set defined ideological objective", huh? [/b]
Which is a set defined ideological position. One that obviously escapes you and one you are likley never to understand.