SnIpEr arrested??

[ThE MiSt]

So the yankish police have arrested a suspect for the recent sniper attacks on residents of the est coast. How convinient and at a great timing, after a week of not releasing information, they suddenly arrest a man, ex-military, with cnn annoncing him as having a certificate in sniping, arrested with the gun in the van and with his 17 year old nefew. Now in the U.S. , it is well known that it is their FUNDEMENTAL RIGHT to own a gun, its in their constitution.the ar-15, (m-16 assault rifle) is mass produced, and somehow this guy also converted to Islam, of which, in Bush's mind, as iam sure many americans also, links him to al-qeida. Iam sure, they will also find someway of linking him to Saddam and thus... another reason to bomb Iraq. This arrest is to premature and is to perfect, the gunman, his accomplice, the weapon, the van, and a motive( his conversion to islam). I smell bullshit.

Bright is the diadem, boundless the sway,
Or kingly the death, which awaits us to-day! -Byron
-ThE MiSt

[Libertarius]

Haha, I just happened to be watching that steaming pile of excrement on CNN just as I saw your post materialize. As a matter of fact, I was thinking along the same lines :)

Good analogy (self-compliment :P)

[bluerev002]

yah, i think this is a lie also. well, maby the sniper really is killing ppl but as to finding him, i dont think so. its all like in the book f451 were their searching for the guy and so the news ppl make up a story and find a random person as their skapegoat. they arrest the poor man and everyones happy

i doubt thsi as much as i doubted sept. 13

[munkey soup]

They were not arrested in a van, they were driving a 1990 Chevrolet car, the model I do not know. The gun used was a Bushmaster XM-15 .223-caliber rifle, with a high powered scope of course, which is a version of the AR-15, I believe (and the AR-15 is not the same as an M-16, AR-15's do not have automatic capability). John Lee Malvo, the 17 year old, is not John Allen Muhammad's nephew. Malvo is an illegal immigrant from Jamaica, who Muhammad took under his wing, I guess. Muhammad served in the U.S. army:
"Army records showed that Mr. Muhhamad served as a mechanic in the Army and was not part of an elitist sharpshooter unit. But he did earn the Army's top marksman rating - expert - in routine annual tests with the M-16 rifle, averaging nine of ten hits at ranges of hundreds of yards in his military years. As biographical details accumulated through the day, it appeared that Mr. Muhammad met Mr. Malvo in Bellingham, Wash., where he dated the young man's mother."

I do not get CNN, but in the news broadcasts I have seen, and the articles I have read, there has been no mention of either man's religous affiliation. In the New York Times article that I am pulling most of this information from, it does state that Muhammad sypmathised with the 9/11 attackers, and that people who knew him said he did harbor some resentment towards the U.S. But that could all be bullshit, I do not know. I don't see how you can call the arrest premature however, please explain.

Most of the information pulled from here (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/24/national/25CND-SHOO.html).

[Sasafrás]

A FUCKING CHEVY CAPRICE! A CAPRICE OF ALL THINGS!!

I hate it. I want to bury myself alive in hopes of never being found. He makes me ashamed...

[munkey soup]

They modified it so it would be a sort of mobile snipers nest. Crazy shits.

[ComradeJunichi]

Everyone else already said this but...when I first heard the news it sounded a bit awkward.

[Baltic]

I am glad they have caught the murdering bastard. To suggest it is a cover up is rather silly and takes away your credibility.

They have the murder weapon and I am sure some lawyer, out to make a buck, will do all they can to make him into and not the dead, a victim.

Put your selves in the shoes of victim’s families.

I know what Stalin would have done with the asshole.

Baltic

[Libertarius]

Well, Baltic. As YOU put it, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Never said it was a cover-up, just said it was strange that they said he had converted to Islam. Before ya know it they'll be accusing Saddam and al Qaeda of sponsoring his little rampage.

[Comrade Babar]

I like how the American media are trying to making him out to be some kind of Whabbi terrorist - no doubt people like Jerry Falwell will make a killing out of this one. I don't know this for sure, but I suspect he converted to the Nation of Islam, which is obviously a black nationalist movement rather than a religion per say. This removes the possibility of being part of Al-Qaeda as Arab Muslims (correctly) consider the Nation of Islam to be a racist un-Islamic movement.

The fact he wrote 'I am God' to the police officers also adds to the silliness of the idea of the sniper being a terrorist - what more severe form of blaspheme can there be than claiming to be God? Of course, after having heard this speculation which may or not be dismissed further along the line the American public will consider this to be terrorism.

The whole episode just cries out "logical gun control laws!" but I haven't heard one mention of any sensible gun law suggestions whether on the internet (including internet forums) or on TV. Pfft.

[IRANeAZAD5]

I hate how the media assumes that because hes a moslem that hes also a fundementalist

I just hope he does not say that he did this in the name of islam or something on does lines
cos thatll really screw things up

[ovrproofmentalz]

very good point... i agree it seems to convienient that its a muslim, and add to it a black man who served in the army... im sure we'll see the repurcussions soon

[munkey soup]

Actually, there has been some debates on T.V. and newspapers about sensible gun laws. I have seen a few between stricter gun law people and the representative for the NRA, whats-his-name. To say there has been none is false, and I would venture to guess some of you are letting your anger of the U.S. block out any arguments that would hurt your case against the evils of it's Media. I am not attacking anyone, so don't get all pissy on me.

Also, please show me cases where the Media has called him a fundamentalist Muslim, as I have stated before, I have seen no outlet referring to either's man religous affilition, except for some mentionings that Mr. Muhammad might be a muslim. I could be looking in the wrong places, however, so please refer me to ones that have stated this.

[IRANeAZAD5]

cnn,
wolf blitzer is one

[Baltic]

Before ya know it they'll be accusing Saddam and al Qaeda of sponsoring his little rampage.

Yes that i would find BS.

Baltic

[munkey soup]

What, exactly (or at least a summary), did he report.

[Baltic]

Yeh………. real freedom fighters that shoots mr and mrs Joe nobody doing their shopping.

Took real guts that.

There is at times a thin line between terrorist and freedom fighters but in any ones book these are sick killers.

Baltic

[MetalGus]

Without being sympathetic to their actions , I'd have to say they're not so sick.

I mean, killing someone with a sniper riffle 100 meters away eliminates all relations with the victim. Sure you see him go down but real serial killers like to touch and torture.

Besides, it's like they were playing some kind of videogame (First Person Shooters). Take a good ambush spot, wait for someone, ready the riffle, kill him, get away as fast as you can.

That's as unviolent a murder can get in my opinion (especially since they were normal Joes).

Anyway, killing people sucks.... that's for sure.

[LeninCCCP]

How can any of you give an excuse to his killings? There is none you heartless bastards seem to forget he was killing civilions who may or may have not been like us, some of you are sick just like the killer, Now if he was killing shitty politicians i would salute him and be proud that he took a stand but he didnt he killed people who didnt deserve to die. For all he knew the people he was killing could have practiced islam or hated capitalist america just as much as him his killings were irrational and pointless there is no excuse for it he is a sick man who may have been a radical...To have compassion you dont have to be right wing. For all you know some of the victims could have been communist how would that make you feel? Think before you say he might have killed a comrade.

(Edited by LeninCCCP at 6:53 pm on Oct. 25, 2002)

[Lefty]

god, he was a murderer. If he is indeed guilty, which he may not be, he deserves to die, or be imprisoned and raped by a man named big rocky daily for at least a few years.

[LeninCCCP]

Yes he sould, but i dont know if your being sarcastic...

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from IRANeAZAD5 on 3:16 pm on Oct. 25, 2002
I hate how the media assumes that because hes a moslem that hes also a fundementalist

I just hope he does not say that he did this in the name of islam or something on does lines
cos thatll really screw things up
He's not just any Muslim . . . he's a member of the Nation of Islam. He was on the security team for the Million Man March.

What I care about even more than his religious fundamentalism is his history of abuse. He's kidnapped his kids, threatened his ex-wife, etc. This is much worse than helping out a mysoginistic piece of shit like Farakkhan!

Linsday

[Rob]

god, he was a murderer. If he is indeed guilty, which he may not be, he deserves to die, or be imprisoned and raped by a man named big rocky daily for at least a few years.

that's an interesting opinion for someone who has Ghandi as an avatar to hold.

[vodun]

Right on cue, the adolescent asswipes (you know who you are) on Che-Lives come out of the woodwork on the wrong side again. The police finally capture a sick cold-blooded killer and all you snivelling shits can do is ***** about the media and the government and how they "might" distort the truth or frame someone or twist it to serve their own evil plans. Jesus Christ, do you children sniff glue first thing after school? Or do you go to school? You have ZERO proof of any of these half-assed plots and conspiracies, but you're SURE there's 'something fishy'. Proof seems real important to you when it comes to Bin Laden's or Hussein's involvement in supporting terrorism, but when it comes to the U.S. gov't or the police, who needs proof? You can just spew runny crap out of your mouth and that will suffice. Because you got a hunch. No one called him a fundamentalist, he is in fact a self-described muslim, and said himself he supports the actions of the 9-11 hijackers. There is plenty of very condemning evidence against him. But that doesn't matter, right? Because you simpletons don't like to believe something that bothers you. I don't know why it bothers you. Come out of your dreamworld, kiddies. There's a saying that goes:

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

(Edited by vodun at 2:57 am on Oct. 28, 2002)

[munkey soup]

Basically what he said, 'cept less harsh.

[LeninCCCP]

Yep i agree with that too.

[El Brujo]

We'll see what happens. But so far, I don't think politics has anything to do with the killings. He's just a sick fuck who snapped and got trigger-happy. I mean, whats more to think about somebody who leaves behind tarot cards saying "I am God"?

He is a Dezert Storm veteran (like Timothy McVeigh). Many soldiers in Dezert Storm were reported with having some disease that made them mentally ill.

[Fabi]

i still think it is good that the victims didnt have to go through rape/torture etc...
it is not right to kill people but at least it didnt get any worse for victims... i'd rather have someone shoot me when i dont expect it than being kidnapped and tortured for days and days...

and yeah, for a person with a gandhi avatar, that is a pretty strange opinion... if it was supposed to be a seriosu contribution to the discussion at all...

[Leninist guy]

Yes, hello all. Ok, I AM a new user in this lovely lovely little site here. I think this is pure friggen s**t! I personnaly believe that the entire "sniper" was just a ploy that the government to make all the right wing ignorent fools of America believe that they were still under attack, and to rally together and support their government even more. I think they just picked some random guy off the street, called him the sniper(after bribing him with private funds that he'll never see a cent of), and are whoring him off to the media, but that's my opinion.

[nihilist kid]

i dont know if someone else has already said this, but i think you should all calm down. We all know that the American government/authorities manipulate whatever they want to keep the masses passive, and we all know that that guy *might* not have been the real culprit. For all we know the sniper was an operative from the cia given the mission to spread terror, among the people.

I rationalise it down to this, if the real sniper was caught, well thats good, if he/she wasnt, they will strike again, because it isnt likely that they were out to incriminate those two, if it was from the cia, well how can we stop that at this point?

Lucas