=Charles Manson=

[Anarcho-Communist]

Charles Manson, jailed for life. Accused for the murders of many people. He may have orchestrated it but did not do the killing. A group of four people that followed him in a group were the ones that did the killing. One of the males wanted to do something more radical than him so he killed people so the others would follow him other than Charles Manson. Charles did write "Helter Skelter" in there blood on the walls but he didn't do the killings.

What does everyone on RevolutionaryLeft.com think of him?

Discuss :D

[Organic Revolution]

fuck charles manson... he was a god damn dictator of his following

[Free Palestine]

He was a racist, sadistic, deviant misanthrope. Helter Skelter is his delusion that black people would take over the world and he and his family would hide out in the desert and finally come back and fight. He was completely manipulative (obviously) and would have his followers take drugs in hopes that they would reveal their insecurities which he could use to control them.

[Anarcho-Communist]

I'm not saying that I like him, I just wanted a discussion to happen. He does belong in History. :D

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What could there possibly be to discuss?

[Anarcho-Communist]

Chilling monster made followers kill on command. What do you think of him.

[Hampton]

So how was he set up?

[Anarcho-Communist]

By the others killing them, he got accused for murder, yet he didn't do it.

[Organic Revolution]

but he ordered it.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 6 2005, 03:56 PM
By the others killing them, he got accused for murder, yet he didn't do it.
When you say that. I guess hitler isnt the one to blame its those soldiers.

[Clarksist]

Very interesting man.

Manson was extremely ignorant and seemingly stupid, but underneath was a sociapathic mastermind.

A complex balance that must be.

[praxis1966]

Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 6 2005, 02:56 PM
By the others killing them, he got accused for murder, yet he didn't do it.
There's a little known legal tenent in the U$ called "depraved indifference." When you intentionally refuse to act to stop a crime being comitted or fail to notify the authorities you are said to be just as liable as the culprits. It's basically the same way you would convict someone of murder if they had hired a hitman. He was also convicted of conspiracy for planning it, so there you have it. There wasn't any setup.

[fernando]

Wasnt the attack on the Sharon Tate residence also in a way sort of the bloody end of the hippy era? they kind of happened on the same time right?

[praxis1966]

There was that and the incident at the Rolling Stones concert. The band hired the San Francisco chapter of the Hell's Angels to do the security work and some of the bikers stabbed a guy to death. Oh, and don't call them hippies. According to my dad (who was one) they preferred to be called freaks. The word 'hippie' was a derrogatory term invented by rednecks.

[marxist_socialist_aussie]

Manson is simply a racist, ignorant and trully deranged individual. He now has the swaschstika tatooed on his forhead and I believe on his hands. Esssentailly, may he long rot in prison.

[encephalon]

above all else, Manson was just plain a sick man (and still is). If you really want proof that he was sincerely a mentally disturbed individual, read his courtroom self-defense:


There has been a lot of charges and a lot of things said about me and brought against me and brought against the co-defendants in this case, of which a lot could be cleared up and clarified to where everyone could understand exactly what the family was supposed to have been, what the philosophies in regards to the families were, and whether or not there was any conspiracy to commit murder, to commit crimes, and to explain to you who think with your minds.

It is hard for you to conceive of a philosophy of someone that may not think.

I have spent my life in jail, and without parents.

I have looked up to the strongest father figure, and I have always looked to the people in the free world as being the good people, and the people in the inside of the jail as being the bad people.

I never went to school, so I never growed up in the respect to learn to read and write so good, so I have stayed in jail and I have stayed stupid, I have stayed a child while I have watched your world grow up, and then I look at the things that you do and I don't understand.

I don't understand the courts, and I don't understand a lot of things that are brought against me.

Your write things about my mother in the newspaper that hasn't got anything to do with anything in particular.

You invent stories, and everybody thinks what they do, and then they project it from the witness stand on the defendant as if that is what he did.

For example, with Danny DeCarlo's testimony. He said that I hate black men, and he said that we thought alike, that him and I was a lot alike in our thinking.

But actually all I ever did with Danny DeCarlo or any other human being was reflect himself back at himself.

If he said he did not like the black man, I would say, "Okay." I had better sense than tell him I did not dislike the black man. I just listened to him and I would react to his statement.

So consequently he would drink another beer and walk off and pat me on the back and he would say to himself, "Charlie thinks like I do."

But actually he does not know how Charlie thinks because Charlie has never projected himself.

But maybe the girls and women in your world outside. Being by yourself for such a long time when you do get out you appreciate things that people don't even see, you walk over them every day.

Like in jail you have a whole new attitude or a whole different way of thinking.

I don't think like you people. You people put importance on your lives.

Well, my life has never been important to anyone, not even in the understanding of the way you fear the things that you fear, and the things you do.

I know that the only person I can judge is me.

I judge what I have done and I judge what I do and I look and live with myself every day.

I am content with myself.

If you put me in the penitentiary, that means nothing because you kicked me out of the last one. I didn't ask to get released. I liked it in there because I like myself.

I like being with myself.

But in your world it's hard because your understanding and your values are different.

These children that come at you with knives, they are your children. You taught them. I didn't teach them. I just tried to help them stand up.

Most of the people at the ranch that you call The Family were just people that you did not want, people that were alongside the road, that their parents had kicked them out or they did not want to go to Juvenile Hall, so I did the best I could and I took them up on my garbage dump and I told them this that in love there is no wrong.

I don't care. I have one law and I learned it when I was a kid in reform school. It's don't snitch. And I have never snitched. And I told them that anything they do for their brothers and sisters is good, if they do it with a good thought.

It is not my responsibility. It is your responsibility. It is the responsibility you have towards your own children who you are neglecting, and then you want to put the blame on me again and again and again.

Over and over you put me in your penitentiary. I did not build the penitentiary. I would not lock one of you up. I could not see locking another human being up.

You eat meat with your teeth and you kill things that are better than you are, and in the same respect you say how bad and even killers that your children are. You make your children what they are. I am just a reflection of every one of you.

I have never learned anything wrong. In the penitentiary, I have never found a bad man. Every man in the penitentiary has always showed me his good side, and circumstances put him where he was. He would not be there, he is good, human, just like the policeman that arrested him is a good human.

I have nothing against none of you. I can't judge any of you. But I think it is high time that you all started looking at yourselves, and judging the lie that you live in.

I sit and I watch you from nowhere, and I have nothing in my mind, no malice against you and no ribbons for you.

But you stand and you play the game of money. As long as you can sell a newspaper, some sensationalism, and you can laugh at someone and joke at someone and look down at someone, you know.

You just sell those newspapers for public opinion, just like you are all hung on public opinion, and none of you have any idea what you are doing.

You are just doing what you are doing for the money, for a little bit of attention from someone.

I can't dislike you, but I will say this to you. You haven't got long before you are all going to kill yourselves because you are all crazy.

And you can project it back at me, and you can say that it's me that cannot communicate, and you can say that it's me that don't have any understanding, and you can say that when I am dead your world will be better, and you can lock me up in your penitentiary and you can forget about me.

But I'm only what lives inside of you, each and every one of you. These children, they take a lot of narcotics because you tell them not to. Any child you put in a room and you tell them, "Don't go through that door," he never thought of going through that door until you told him to go through the door. You go to the high schools and you show them pills and you show them what not to take, how else would they know what it was unless you tell them?

And then you tell them what you don't want them to do in the hopes they will go out and do it and then you can play your game with them and then you can give attention to them because you don't give them any of your love.

You only give them your frustration; you only give them your anger, you only give them the bad part of you rather than give them the good part of you.

You should all turn around and face your children and start following them and listening to them.

The music speaks to you every day, but you are too deaf, dumb, and blind to even listen to the music. You are too deaf, dumb and blind to stop what you are doing. You point and you ridicule.

But it's okay, it's all okay. It doesn't really make any difference because we are all going to the same place anyway. It's all perfect. There is a God. He sits right over here beside me. That is your God. This is your God.

But let me tell you something; there is another Father and he has much more might than you imagine.

If I could get angry at you I would try to kill every one of you. If that's guilt, I accept it.

These children, everything they have done, they done for love of their brother. Had you not arrested Robert Beausoleil for something he did not do.

I have killed no one and I have ordered no one to be killed.

I may have implied on several occasions to several different people that I may have been Jesus Christ, but I haven't decided yet what I arn or who I am.

I was given a name and a number and I was put in a cell, and I have lived in a cell with a name and a number.

I don't know who I am.

I am whoever you make me, but what you want is a fiend; you want a sadistic fiend because that is what you are.

You only reflect on me what you are inside of yourselves, because I don't care anything about any of you and I don't care what you do.

I can stand here in front of this court and smile at you, and you can do anything you want to do with me, but you cannot touch me because I am only my love, and it is all for me, and I give it to myself for me, because I look out for me first and I like me, and you can live with yourselves and your opinion of yourselves. I know what I have done.

If I showed someone that I would do anything for my brother, include give my life for my brother in the battlefield, or give where else that I may want to do that, then he picks his banner up and he goes off and does what he does. .

That is not my responsibility. I don't tell people what to do.

If we enter into an agreement to build a house, I will help you build the house and I will offer suggestions for that house, but I won't put myself on you because that is what made you weak, because your parents have offered themselves on you.

You are not you, you are just reflections, you are reflections of everything that you think that you know, everything that you have been taught.

Your parents have told you what you are. They made you before you were six years old, and when you stood in school and you crossed your heart and pledged allegiance to the flag, they trapped you a in truth because at that age you didn't know any lie until that lie was reflected on you.

No, I am not responsible for you. Your karma is not mine.

My father is the jail house. My father is your system, and each one of you, each one of you are just a reflection of each one of you, and you all live by yourselves, no matter how crowded you may think that you are in a room full of people, you are still by yourself, and you have to live with that self forever and ever and ever and ever.

To some people this would be hell; to some people it would be heaven.

I have mine, and each one of you will have to work out yours, and you cannot work it out by pointing your fingers at people.

you can read the entire rant here: Manson's Courtroom Rant (http://forcedexistence.com/manson/CMrant1.html)

[lennonist-leninist]

What i know about manson is that notonly did he want an all out race war and was very motivated to start one. But also he is far from inosinte he had those people brained washed that he was jesuse christ. What ever he would ask them to dothay would do it.


And by the way manson is still alive in prison today he had some kind of court hearing not to long ago. I dident paymuch attention to it but if anyone knows what it was about i would like to know. but in conclussion manson was a man who deserves respect from no one heis a rassist and a ignorant man who has a crazed mind filled with many stupid and very grusome ideas.

[encephalon]

he was up for a parole hearing, if I remember correctly. That very obviously didn't work out for him.

[praxis1966]

It was a parole hearing. He became eligable after serving his first 25, so every year he goes before the parole board and goes on a two hour tyrrade and then goes back to his cell. What's disturbing is that someday, if in fact he ever learned to play the game properly, he might actually get out.

[encephalon]

he won't learn :D

[Holocaustpulp]

That guy was fucked up. He advocated white supremacy by means of race war (his version of "helter skelter", where the murders would incite such a war) in which the blacks would win and he - with followers - would appear from the Sahara and rule the blacks as well as the world.

This man is sick, he's a liar, he indoctrinates people, and he deserves no sympathy from us logical people.

- HP

[Loca_freak]

I think Manson needs help, first he wanted to be a musican , but after they rejected him , he wanted to get noticed some how , he want some attention , I think he got the attention he wanted long a go by Killing people. :blink:

[praxis1966]

In a way, there are alot of similarities between Manson and other notorious psychopaths. The names Mark David Chapman and Adolf Hitler come to mind immediately.

[which doctor]

pychopath

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

He was a sadistic , racist , psychopath .. he believed in the idea of “Helter Skelter” , which was a war in North America between the blacks and the whites where the blacks win the war and the remaining whites hide out in the desert , but because of the lack of leadership ability’s the black run civilization collapses and the whites that where hiding out in the desert come out and take over putting the blacks back in to slavery like the “good ol’ days”……fucking makes me sick :angry:

[Ater Sanguis]

Not to say (by any means) that Manson was a good person, but you kinda' have to stand in awe of his absolute power. How he managed to control these people like puppets. That at any given moment any of his followers would throw, not just a shirt, but themselves in a puddle to keep his shoes dry. They thought he was a God for Heaven's sake. I just find him an extremely incredible. It's too bad he couldn't find some better use (what I don't know) for his manipulative.....(For lack of a better word) "powers"