Originally posted by Hatred+Jul 6 2005, 07:49 PM--> (Hatred @ Jul 6 2005, 07:49 PM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 05:03 PM
Actually, Leninist Parties usually devore all forms of struggle that are not linked to the Party.
Yes. The Leninists try to to involve themselves in all fronts of struggle. Lenin once said something like communists must empthasize with all oppressed from all social strata. And uniting the working class around the program of socialism is of course nessecary, and sometimes this requires reform work.
Yes, Leninists try to "involve" themselves in all fronts, but why? There is only one reason.
To control it.
There cannot be any independence of struggle, under a Leninist regime. All struggles must be for "real socialism" or else they are useless. And those who are useful, must be controlled by a party member. [/b]
Well, first of all let me start to state that not all leninist movements support direct actions (taking in consideration that by direct action you mean the use of force or violence)
I, for starters cannot state what is the point of view of other leninst movements in the world about direct action, since i only know the Portuguese Comunist Party ideology.
See the diference between our movement and some others is that, for starters we do not see "direct" violent struggle as the way in our current situation. Instead of that we see the struggle in more peaceful ways such as protestsm strikes and numerous iniciatives of debates amongst the population as the way, and also the adoption of more equal and revolutionary policies in our country.
Hatred stated that the only reason that the Leninists enter the front of the struggle is because we want to control everything, and as usual i will have to differ from that idea. See, we, as the vanguard of the working class see our actions as an example, and as such we feel obligated to be in the front line of the struggle, yet, you BE (Leftis BLock, a Portuguese radical leftist party/organization/political aberration wich HAtred has the symbol on his avatar) are driven out of envy for opur movement, because truth speaking it is our party that has a bigger and most important influence in the proletarian struggle in our country. You seem to prefer drifting along with the movement instead of actually taking a serious part of it, and most importantly you are a leftist movement that seems to have their own insterests in consideration instead of actually being there for the working class.
To sum it up, it is rather more usual to see a true genuine interest and care for the workling class conditions and ideology in the "leninist" sectors of the movement than in many of your radical party or organisation or whatever BE actually is....
That is the real reason of why the "Leninists" tend to be in the front of every strugle instead of the more mediatic movements such as yours.
In simple terms, wile you aspire to become the number one true leftist movement, we actually are the true representors of the working class, and that is the reason why you envy and hate us leninists so much....
(please note that i am taking in consideration the Portuguese reality, yet i do not think that the global reality of the movement is so far off of our own reality)