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jasontkennedy
5th July 2005, 05:11
First let me say, broadly speaking, I am a Marxist. I support either a worker's revolution, or fabian indoctrination of Marxist ideas as a primary form of economy. Understand that before I move on.

In the 2000 election Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys was seriously considering candiacy for the Green Party Presidential candidate, as he was nominated. IN a lot of his green party speeches he had some great ideas to improve the standard of living for the working classes under a capitalist government. I thought I would share a few of them, just to see what you all think of this sort of gradual revolution from within the system.

He advocated the removal of a minimum wadge and have it replaced with a legitimate living wadge. He advocated a "maximum wadge" for the idle rich, and that any surplus that they generated would go back to employees or some sort of national welfare system (that might mean improved mass transit, government funded RD for eco / worker friendly autos, free college for anyone, etc)He was also behind allowing homeless to squat in blighted buildings. He strongly advocated buying local whenever possible. Those were just a few ideas. It is not my favorite ideology, but it seems like it could gain favor in the mainstream conscious more easily than other ideas might right now. Oh, and he is strongly opposed to NAFTA and WTO in a capitalist economy (and as long as america is capitalist, I am with him)

Again, this is here because it is not socialist or anarchist in nature, but to me sounds like a huge improvement over what we have now.

KC
5th July 2005, 07:10
He advocated the removal of a minimum wadge and have it replaced with a legitimate living wadge.
This is impossible with the current economic system. As the minimum wage is increased, so is the price of everything else. Therefore this doesn't help much.

He advocated a "maximum wadge" for the idle rich, and that any surplus that they generated would go back to employees or some sort of national welfare system (that might mean improved mass transit, government funded RD for eco / worker friendly autos, free college for anyone, etc)
Maximum wage wouldn't work either. Prices would adjust.
Price ceilings and price floors DON'T WORK IN THE CURRENT ECONOMIC STATE OF SOCIETY. It's been proven again and again. I've only taken one course in high school on economics and even I know that. I don't know why people don't realize this.

JB and DK are good.

Zoltan
5th July 2005, 09:42
:ph34r:

jasontkennedy
5th July 2005, 11:17
Lazar, you are probably right. I don't claim to be an economist. I just thought that they sounded like some pretty neat ideas to becoming from one of the largest indepenent parties in recent history.

Publius
6th July 2005, 04:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:11 AM



In the 2000 election Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys was seriously considering candiacy for the Green Party Presidential candidate, as he was nominated. IN a lot of his green party speeches he had some great ideas to improve the standard of living for the working classes under a capitalist government. I thought I would share a few of them, just to see what you all think of this sort of gradual revolution from within the system.

I would become a Green just to support Jello Biafra.


He advocated the removal of a minimum wadge and have it replaced with a legitimate living wadge. He advocated a "maximum wadge" for the idle rich, and that any surplus that they generated would go back to employees or some sort of national welfare system (that might mean improved mass transit, government funded RD for eco / worker friendly autos, free college for anyone, etc)

Than what incentive would anyone have to work above this ceiling? None.

You're effectively cutting the amount of labor in the system by doing this.

As the rich stop working, you have to lower the ceiling, and keep lowering it until it hurts those it means to help.

The Laffer Curve demonstrates the fact that there is an optimum tax rate for returns, and it isn't always high.


He was also behind allowing homeless to squat in blighted buildings.

And who gets to decide what's blighted? The same fuckers who can decide what is 'public use'?


He strongly advocated buying local whenever possible.

Why?


hose were just a few ideas. It is not my favorite ideology, but it seems like it could gain favor in the mainstream conscious more easily than other ideas might right now. Oh, and he is strongly opposed to NAFTA and WTO in a capitalist economy (and as long as america is capitalist, I am with him)

I'm too opposed to NAFTA and the TWO, for opposing reasons.

He, personally, has no chance in the mainstream because he's borderline crazy.

His ideas mirror his personality.




Again, this is here because it is not socialist or anarchist in nature, but to me sounds like a huge improvement over what we have now.

Except it wouldn't work.

Urban Rubble
6th July 2005, 05:29
I would become a Green just to support Jello Biafra.

Yes, finally we agree.