Rock or Rap?

[Anarcho-Communist]

I think that Rock is because it requires a lot more skill to make that music, other than rambling on about something that dosen't make sense, and half the people don't even understand. :D :lol:

[Don't Change Your Name]

Rap = crap

[Hefer]

I like rock more, but I remember when rap wasn&#39;t so materialistic, now it&#39;s all about money, the biggest SUV you can buy, and women <_< ........well there&#39;s nothing wrong with women :P , but not how they are portrayed now. It&#39;s just not me, so I can never live in such a world.

[Ian]

rap hatred=fucking lame.

[restin256]

What is it with lumping all music into two different categories? Would you consider Aphex Twin one of the two? What about Skinny Puppy? What about the few instrumentals that Nine Inch Nails did?

Some rap has been okay to my ear, it&#39;s not all bad. A lot of the people that live around me live by it, and I&#39;ve noticed that each individual song (or track, or speech if you will) has a very different percussion melody. And, sometimes, when it&#39;s mixed in with actual music, it&#39;s very, very likeable.

[Clarksist]

This poll is a fucking joke.

Rock is way to fucking broad, as metal shouldn&#39;t be included in it, but I&#39;m guessing you&#39;ve done so.

Rap is too small a catagory when compared to Rock.

And the Other is too much of a throw away. How about more categories.

[bunk]

People who hate rap criticise mainstream rap, then why don&#39;t you try underground rap&#33; From posts on this board you know there are conscious rappers.

[Che1990]

Rap used to be ok. When people like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Tupac, Ice-T, Run DMC etc. were ranting about racism and saying fuck you to all the white people who&#39;d looked down on them and still continue to do so. Now it&#39;s all "Yeah&#33; I went to a club and got wasted then knocked up some chick in the back of my rolls". 50cent etc. all rant about sex and violence and are all very chauvanist. Rock rules over rap anyway. It was always a hell of a lot more political, the whole rock culture is based on politics.

[Anti-establishment]

If you see 50cent as the Rap poster child you need shot. I don&#39;t see McFly as the leaders of the Rock World ffs.

[C_Rasmussen]

Rock/ metal by far.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 09:32 AM
Rap used to be ok. When people like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Tupac, Ice-T, Run DMC etc. were ranting about racism and saying fuck you to all the white people who&#39;d looked down on them and still continue to do so.
Tupac used to talk about getting wasted and killing people as well, it wasn&#39;t all political. I hate when politics becomes more important than the actual music.

[bunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 09:32 AM
Rap used to be ok. When people like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Tupac, Ice-T, Run DMC etc. were ranting about racism and saying fuck you to all the white people who&#39;d looked down on them and still continue to do so. Now it&#39;s all "Yeah&#33; I went to a club and got wasted then knocked up some chick in the back of my rolls". 50cent etc. all rant about sex and violence and are all very chauvanist. Rock rules over rap anyway. It was always a hell of a lot more political, the whole rock culture is based on politics.
yeah because there is no different rap other than 50 cent, nelly and those idiots

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

I am a rap fan.

Personally, I don&#39;t care for rock. People who say rappers have no talent are delusional in my opinion.

For me, the realest rapper there will ever be is Tupac Shakur. Raised by a Black Panther and being around so many revolutionaries, he stood out amongst the whole music genre, not just the rap genre. What made Tupac different was he made music that was emotional.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The moderator of the Revolutionary Left Music Forum officially condemns stupid, biased, nonsensial polls such as this.

Although both genres have a lot of shit, they also have a lot of great music. I listen to both rap and rock.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 06:55 PM
rap hatred=fucking lame.
Ian = fucking lame at times. People are entitled to their own opinions and have different taste in music. :D :D

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by Anarcho&#045;[email protected] 3 2005, 01:46 AM
I think that Rock is because it requires a lot more skill to make that music, other than rambling on about something that dosen&#39;t make sense, and half the people don&#39;t even understand. :D :lol:
Even though i definatly listen more rock then rap. I have to say that you made an idiotic overgeneralization. Some hip hop is truely brilliant qua lyrics and quite some rock is just dumb bashing on guitar and drums with some guy screaming "life is so hard, mom and dad took away computer, gonna cut myself open blablabla". I am not much into hip hop, but for a good song listen to "They Schools" from Dead Prez. (listen to the lyrics, nevermind the tune.)

[bolshevik butcher]

Some raps ok, but i&#39;d say i was mroe into rock.

[More Fire for the People]

I am a rocker, I&#39;m a big fan of modern rock (Incubus, The Killers, The Vines, blink-182) but I like some other stuff like Björk and Frou Frou.

[Hampton]

I listen to both, although now I lean to rap more often than not. But most of my favorite music fits into neither genre.

[bed_of_nails]

The only Rap I listen to is Run DMC, and occasionally some Tupac.

The rest of it just annoys me.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 04:50 PM
I listen to both, although now I lean to rap more often than not. But most of my favorite music fits into neither genre.
Repitition of the same thing :D. No need for that young man (although your probably older than me) none the less. Why do you lean to rap more than rock&#33; that is completea insanity (yet again, i&#39;m probably more insane than him) :lol: Like I said earlier, it requires more talent to perform rock music other than scratching and old record and mumbling usless information. WICKI WICKI (insanity creeps in...) :huh:

[Motorcycle_diAries]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 3 2005, 04:48 AM
Rap = crap
Agree.

[Postteen]

I&#39;m a rocker (punk and gothic and classic and hard and everything&#33;)and a metalhead( everything apart from nu-metal).
I am not into rap because I cannot listen to it more than a minute, but I don&#39;t think I know anything about it.I would like to listen to some political rap, which maybe I&#39;m gonna like.But if I had to choose, I&#39;d pick rock without a second thought.

[The Grey Blur]

<_< Terrible poll, wayyy too general.

[The Grey Blur]

I don&#39;t think you&#39;re supposed to do this but still...it&#39;s an old piece of coursework I did ages ago on rap

[Hampton]

Why do you lean to rap more than rock&#33; that is completea insanity (yet again, i&#39;m probably more insane than him) laugh.gif Like I said earlier, it requires more talent to perform rock music other than scratching and old record and mumbling usless information. WICKI WICKI (insanity creeps in...) huh.gif

Insane no, it makes perfect sense. I find hip-hop to express what I feel more than a random rock song does. Someone who makes the general statment of which is easier has probally never done one or the other and therefore in total ignorance of what it is and it makes no sense to discuss.


than rambling on about something that dosen&#39;t make sense, and half the people don&#39;t even understand

Yawn, I never got why just because someone does not understand something, either they have never tried or do not wish to, that it automatically makes it suck.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 4 2005, 02:18 AM
I&#39;m a rocker (punk and gothic and classic and hard and everything&#33;)and a metalhead( everything apart from nu-metal).
I am not into rap because I cannot listen to it more than a minute, but I don&#39;t think I know anything about it.I would like to listen to some political rap, which maybe I&#39;m gonna like.But if I had to choose, I&#39;d pick rock without a second thought.
I will hold you to that Nu-Metal statement, seeing as how much I hate it.

If I ever find you posting about Slipknot or any of that crap you shall be crucified now.

[Pawn Power]

fuck this poll

both

[bolshevik butcher]

Public enemy and nwa are quite good. Benjamin zephaniah does some cool hiphop.

[Anarcho-Communist]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 4 2005, 09:18 PM
I&#39;m a rocker (punk and gothic and classic and hard and everything&#33;)and a metalhead( everything apart from nu-metal).
I am not into rap because I cannot listen to it more than a minute, but I don&#39;t think I know anything about it.I would like to listen to some political rap, which maybe I&#39;m gonna like.But if I had to choose, I&#39;d pick rock without a second thought.
And tell me, what do you call Gothic music? Please don&#39;t be an idiot and say something like "Slipknot" or "Cradle of Filth". They simply aren&#39;t gothic. Download some songs from bahaus

[Zoltan]

all the above&#33; :ph34r:

[Postteen]

Originally posted by Anarcho&#045;Communist+Jul 5 2005, 06:39 AM--> (Anarcho-Communist @ Jul 5 2005, 06:39 AM)
Beatle [email protected] 4 2005, 09:18 PM
I&#39;m a rocker (punk and gothic and classic and hard and everything&#33;)and a metalhead( everything apart from nu-metal).
I am not into rap because I cannot listen to it more than a minute, but I don&#39;t think I know anything about it.I would like to listen to some political rap, which maybe I&#39;m gonna like.But if I had to choose, I&#39;d pick rock without a second thought.
And tell me, what do you call Gothic music? Please don&#39;t be an idiot and say something like "Slipknot" or "Cradle of Filth". They simply aren&#39;t gothic. Download some songs from bahaus [/b]
LOL, of course not&#33;&#33;COF are supposed to be Black metal and Slipknot nu, right?

A great gothic metal band is Paradise Lost..

Now, gothic *rock* bands are Christian Death, Sisters of Mercy, yes Bauhaus, the Cure i think...I know other names as well but I haven&#39;t heard any of their songs.



If I ever find you posting about Slipknot or any of that crap you shall be crucified now.

Ok,I agree...However, RATM are nu-metal arent they? :rolleyes: I admit listening to them.. :ph34r:

[Black Dagger]

I&#39;m into Reggae/Dub more than Rap or Rock, but i listen to both. It&#39;s ignorant to dismiss rap because of &#39;hip-pop&#39; like 50 cent and lots of other contemporary shit, bad groups and musicians dont make the genre itself bad, just look back to the 80s to mid-90s, rap musicians were leagues ahead of rock in terms of social consciousness. I agree with Ian, &#39;rap hate&#39; is fucking lame, you dont like it- dont listen to it- whinging about it is just irritating.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Anarcho&#045;[email protected] 4 2005, 12:52 AM

Repitition of the same thing :D. No need for that young man (although your probably older than me) none the less. Why do you lean to rap more than rock&#33; that is completea insanity (yet again, i&#39;m probably more insane than him) :lol: Like I said earlier, it requires more talent to perform rock music other than scratching and old record and mumbling usless information. WICKI WICKI (insanity creeps in...) :huh:
The amount of technical skill required, has no influence on the quality of the music, does it?

Not to say that hip-hop doesnt require a lot of skill. Surely it does. But what is really important is the creativity and the artistic value of the music, and I think that there is a lot of rap that beats a good amount of rock in that respect.

[Colombia]

Talib Kweli
Dead Prez
Mos Def
Immortal Technique
Public Enemy

The hip-hop scene has always been directed to the left.

[bolshevik butcher]

yeh, hiphop without the gangsta stuff is inclined to the left.

[Sirion]

This poll is seriously slanted; rock is a huge genre, that is very subjective. You can call the early guitar bands from the 50s rock (Bill Haley and the Comets, Elvis etc. etc.), and all the way to toays extreme metal bands. Some even use the definition rock for guitar based pop music, and sometimes even disco and subgenres that have nothing to do with what a conventional rock/metal fan would call rock.

Rock and rap can be equally revolutionary, or counter-revolutionary. Rock, or whatever you call it, is mainly angst-ridden crap today, but have a long history of touching the same topics that rap is being trashed for today. So, from a marxist point of view, I see nothing wrong with either form of music, it is the lyrical content that decides.

Musically, you have probably guessed from my title, I love rock from the 60s to the 80s. I can listen to rap, but that&#39;s about it. And, since other was an option on the poll, I love baroque music, the piano pieces of the romantic Czerny/Liszt school, a lot of old blues, non-mainstream celtic music, rennaisance folk music (albeit with a modern flair, the autenthic instruments are not tempered the way todays are, which makes it horrible to listen to after you&#39;ve got the equal temperament system we use today really under your skin), and a few loose ends other places.

[dark fairy]

im a rock fan and i don&#39;t have anything against rap. whoever likes it that&#39;s their shit... i like what i like... and my sisters really like rap so i have to listen to it from time to time... sometimes is gives me a headache... especially that regeaton stuff... oh man :blink: so yeah rock for me...and other stuff too...

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:44 AM
People who hate rap criticise mainstream rap, then why don&#39;t you try underground rap&#33; From posts on this board you know there are conscious rappers.
Exactly. People who make such statements are lazy. They are too lazy to search out and discover music, this goes for all music not just rap, I&#39;ve seen the same comments about punk. They take what&#39;s spoon fed to them by commercial radio/mtv and then complain that it sucks.


Victor covered the talent part very well.

As for the "mumbling and useless information" comments Anachro Commie, your ignorance speaks volumes.

Beatle Kat, there have been several threads where good political rap has been mentioned here goes a few:

Public Enemy
Dead Prez
Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, I can&#39;t say enough good things about them, also check out the Beatnigs and Spearhead, all Michael Franti projects.
Steve Zearle (you can download tons of his songs right from the website
Iron Sheik - hip hop from a Palestinian perspective.
KRS-1
The Coup
Talib Kweli

Nice paper Rage, short but to the point.

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

i dont think that this post was irrelevant .he just asked what people preferre rap or rock.. just say what you like you dont have to bash something just because you don’t enjoy it <_<

on that note .. i perfer rap..and trance ..but mostly underground hip hop

[Shogun]

both

[slim]

I voted for Rock and i find that music with guitars in the front is far more enjoyable. At Live 8 i noticed that Snoop Dogg had a brilliant solo guitarist in the background. The monotonous and indecipherable words drowned it out. Shame.

I dont like Snoop Dogg because he seems to be someone who takes too much credit for himself. I liked his song signs. Not for him but for Timberlakes singing talent. I like some of Eminems music as it is quite humourous at times.

I like Guns n Roses, Sex Pistols and many others.

My favourite band is the Clash who happen to meddle with Jamaican styles in their music very effectively. The song Magnificent seven is a good example of rap rock.