How would anarchists/commies save the earth

[symtoms_of_humanity]

Thats ym question becuase in order to support the working class(many use things from nature such as logs, and steel(steel mills will wreak havok on rivers and leave a lasting stink in the area) what would be some policys to put in that would help slower the destruction of the earth(its imminent lets face it)

[Xvall]

I don't think we can, at this point. But maybe if we balance out the ecosystem a little bit, we can squeeze another century or two out of this planet before being fried by the sun.

[bed_of_nails]

From what I have seen around here, most Communists are not particularly interested in preserving the planet.

Their concerns seem to be comfort for humans first, then make sure we can remain living :)

[Xvall]

How realistic.

[DEPAVER]

The key is for people to work toward sufficient, sustainable living in individual communities.

Sustainable means that the society does not consume more natural resources than can be replenished by natural biological and geophysical cycles, and does not produce waste faster than can be dispersed by natural biological and geophysical cycles. The only way to create a sustainable society is to live within these limits. There's no other way!

[CEWS]

As of now, our enviroment is being destroyed because people in power care about their own power, not how their actions effect the enviroment.

If we lived in anarchy, those in power, the people, would care about the enviroment more.

[socialistfuture]

As of now, our enviroment is being destroyed because people in power care about their own power, not how their actions effect the enviroment.
Its not just people in power, its all sorts of people that are polluting in different ways. from deforestation, to dropping rubbish, from hunting species into extinction effecting cycles to all the emissions from cars, trucks, planes and other verhicles.

its not just the corporations that produce a lot of the shit and those in power - its everyday ppl towing the line. it comes down to personal responsibility and then resposiblity on a large scale.

to save the world we need to recognise its value and then change values and act. change the way we live.

[Clarksist]

As socialistfuture said, it isn't solely on capitalism and people in power. How many of you leave lights on when you don't need to? Or leave the water running? You can't be an environmentalist who does nothing, you must act to help the environment. Feeling bad for your destruction is not enough.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 02:32 PM
As of now, our enviroment is being destroyed because people in power care about their own power, not how their actions effect the enviroment.

If we lived in anarchy, those in power, the people, would care about the enviroment more.
if we lived in anarchy, or communism?

[Organic Revolution]

in all honesty... we need to worry about the enviroment... or else a revolution will be for nothing.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I;ve said it before, and I 'll say it again - proper resource management will help a great deal. It is the capitalist methodology that causes the most gross mismanagement of resources.

The solution is not barbaric primitivism, or the nihilist path of chaos - the solution is to take responsibility for our actions.

[pedro san pedro]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 08:27 AM
The key is for people to work toward sufficient, sustainable living in individual communities.

Sustainable means that the society does not consume more natural resources than can be replenished by natural biological and geophysical cycles, and does not produce waste faster than can be dispersed by natural biological and geophysical cycles. The only way to create a sustainable society is to live within these limits. There's no other way!
why would these communities need to be individual (by which i assume you mean small and independent)? not only is this not needed to achieve sustainablity, its going to be very hard to sell to the masses

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 07:14 AM
from deforestation,
Caused by the search for natural resources, or the use of the wood, in order to gain a profit.


to dropping rubbish,

Caused by people purchasing disposable products...that are distributed on a free trade basis


from hunting species into extinction

To make money from the fur/meat/ivory


effecting cycles to all the emissions from cars, trucks, planes and other verhicles.

Because other forms of energy use are not profitable.

What do all the words in bold link to? what's the popular trend? would it be safe to conclude that if we get rid of the root of these problems...that they will wither away with it?

[Donnie]

What stops a classless stateless society from re-cycling their products once they have finished using them?

Since capitalism is based on “want”, everything is fast and produced in mass bulk. In an anarchic communist society everything is produced on “need” and not “want” and so we only produce what is needed by society not like in a capitalist society where everything is produced for profit. So if everything is produced on “need”, ecological damage is less likely to happen. Also what’s stopping us from using other alternative means of energy like solar, wind etc?

The Anarchist Federation has produced a booklet entitled “Ecology and Class” which will most certainly answer you’re question comrade. I have the booklet but have not yet read it. You can order the booklet off the AF site. Here is the link (http://www.libcom.org/hosted/af/pamphlets.html)

[cubalibra]

Stop the corporations from dumping their waste in the nearest river because they don't want to spend money on proper disposal.

[Xvall]

The tenants of psychology dictate that the "Monarchistic Idealouge" has long been obsolete. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.