What do we do now?

[riverotter]

I didn't see anything about the US's current rapid plunge into theocracy/fascism so I'd like to get a discussion going about what's happening and what he revolutionaries and leftists should be doing.

Some things I see happening are:

1) The ascendancy of the Christian Fascists and their plans to turn this country into a theocracy. They've already been put in many positions of power by the Bush administration, and they're pushing hard to make turn the military into a giant Christian stormtrooper unit.

2) They're making a massive push to lock the world down under American hegemony and make the 21st century the "New American Century". Involved in this is their attempt to ram through a new doctrine that allows the US to invade and occupy any country they wish and send prisoners of war (and probably soon political dissidents) to gulags to be tortured, and soon to be killed.

3) They're attacking and undermining science in the attempt to impose an anti-intellectual theology as the main, if not only, paradigm.


4) Destroying democratic rights in this country, including due process and constitutional rights.

So, we'd better get moving and start doing something to stop this before we won't be able to. What do you think we should do?

[redstar2000]

For a brief period of time, the Revolutionary "Communist" Party experimented with a campaign explicitly against Christian fascism...

Protesting Christian Fascism (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1114524630&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

However, they seem to have dropped the idea fairly quickly -- or, they might say, incorporated it into their new "World Can't Wait" ("to Drive Bush Out") campaign.

So they might mention Christian fascism now and then...but it probably won't be a serious focus any longer.

At the present time, the only open opposition to Christian fascism comes from a handful of left-liberal secularists, a few atheist websites, and a few practicing scientists who the Christian fascists "can't get to" (yet).

I can tell you what I think ought to be happening. There ought to be vocal and demonstrative opposition to the Christian fascists...of the same character that exists towards the Nazis. Whenever a prominent Christian fascist makes a public appearance, there should be a noisy and tumultuous demonstration against the bastard. Whenever they openly seek to influence public policy, they should be denounced as medieval barbarians. Whenever they "sneak" into a school board election -- one of their favorite tactics in the U.S. -- they should be exposed and compelled to "fess up" their real views. When they appear before high school assemblies with their wretched chastity campaigns, they should be loudly heckled and booed off the stage.

What I can't tell you is how to get to even this minimal level of opposition.

The vast bulk of what passes for a "left" in this fucked-up country are still flopping on their bellies whenever someone invokes religious tolerance...as if the Christian fascists are ever going to "tolerate" any left at all. Too many people still believe that religion "deserves" some kind of "special respect" even when they personally don't believe in superstition themselves.

Imagine what things would be like if we took the same attitude towards racists...if we said, well, the racists are wrong but we still have to "respect" people who identify with "race".

So most of the "left" has stood around with their thumbs up their asses while the Christian fascists go marching on.

Here's a small way to begin: use the IndyMedia sites to attack Christian fascism. Whenever items are posted about religion on the NYC IndyMedia site, I try to make sure to make some "acid" posts about Christian fascism and why it is so dangerous to the left. If there's an Indymedia site near you, why not do the same?

When enough of the left gets up off its belly and is ready to vigorously stand up against Christian fascism...then maybe something can be done.

If it's not already too late. :(

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[restin256]

I love you, Redstar.

[redstar2000]

I need to add to my list of people who openly oppose Christian fascism a very important element: the gay-lesbian community.

As one of the main targets of Christian fascism, they seem to be beginning to organize some small demonstrations at public appearances of Christian fascist speakers.

If this materializes in your area, go! Even if you're not gay.

This is a fundamental matter of solidarity!

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[Socialistpenguin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 11:55 PM
I didn't see anything about the US's current rapid plunge into theocracy/fascism so I'd like to get a discussion going about what's happening and what he revolutionaries and leftists should be doing.

Some things I see happening are:

1) The ascendancy of the Christian Fascists and their plans to turn this country into a theocracy. They've already been put in many positions of power by the Bush administration, and they're pushing hard to make turn the military into a giant Christian stormtrooper unit.

2) They're making a massive push to lock the world down under American hegemony and make the 21st century the "New American Century". Involved in this is their attempt to ram through a new doctrine that allows the US to invade and occupy any country they wish and send prisoners of war (and probably soon political dissidents) to gulags to be tortured, and soon to be killed.

3) They're attacking and undermining science in the attempt to impose an anti-intellectual theology as the main, if not only, paradigm.


4) Destroying democratic rights in this country, including due process and constitutional rights.

So, we'd better get moving and start doing something to stop this before we won't be able to. What do you think we should do?
If I were you, I'd annoy them in some way, e.g. make posters and leaflets denouncing them for what they really are, put them in neighbourhoods were you KNOW they are popular. If they confront you and say they are angry about it and you, say, "So forgive me." :lol:
Taken from the late great Bill Hicks.

[restin256]

If we're talking about things to pass out, here's my two cents: Stupid Things Christians Say. (http://www.angelfire.com/de/planetnewark/christianquotes.html)

[riverotter]

redstar: I like it - although I wasn't focusing so much on the christian fascists (not that they're not a serious problem) but the whole thing - the whole neocon plan of repression at home, endless war abroad.

It's funny you mention the world can't wait campaign - some people (RCP'ers probably) were passing them out at the Live 8 concert and I thought they were AWESOME! So I'm going to post it here - tell me what you all think.

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The World Can't Wait!
Drive Out the Bush Regime!

Mobilize for November 2, 2005

Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Your government suppresses the science that doesn’t fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.

People look at all this and think of Hitler – and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance.

Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this. They recognize the need for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet the enormity of the challenge, and people sense this.

There is not going to be some magical “pendulum swing.” People who steal elections and believe they’re on a “mission from God” will not go without a fight.

There is not going to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This whole idea of putting our hopes and energies into “leaders” who tell us to seek common ground with fascists and religious fanatics is proving every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people.

But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn – or be forced – to accept. There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it.

And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can really make a huge change in this country and in the world. We need more than fighting Bush’s outrages one at a time, constantly losing ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and can, aim to create a political situation where the Bush regime’s program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and can take responsibility to change the course of history.

To that end, on November 2, the first anniversary of Bush’s “re-election”, we will take the first major step in this by organizing a truly massive day of resistance all over this country. People everywhere will walk out of school, they will take off work, they will come to the downtowns and town squares and set out from there, going through the streets and calling on many more to JOIN US. They will repudiate this criminal regime, making a powerful statement: “NO! THIS REGIME DOES NOT REPRESENT US! AND WE WILL DRIVE IT OUT!”

November 2 must be a massive and public proclamation that WE REFUSE TO BE RULED IN THIS WAY. November 2 must call out to the tens of millions more who are now agonizing and disgusted. November 2 will be the beginning – a giant first step in forcing Bush to step down, and a powerful announcement that we will not stop until he does so – and it will join with and give support and heart to people all over the globe who so urgently need and want this regime to be stopped.

This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will to try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we are NOT going to stop.

The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined. The future is unwritten. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.


These next two months are crucial. The call you are reading has to get out to millions right away – on the internet, passed out as flyers in communities, published as ads in newspapers. DO NOT WAIT!! GET ORGANIZED!! If you agree with this statement, add your name to it!!! And do more than that: send it to friends, get them to sign it, organize a meeting, take it to your church, your school, your union, your health club, your barber shop, to concerts and libraries and family gatherings, everywhere you go. Raise money, lots of money. Get people together, make plans to be there on November 2, and to build for it.

GET IN TOUCH WITH US AT OUR WEBSITE, worldcantwait.org


The world can’t wait! Drive out the Bush Regime! Mobilize for November 2!

[redstar2000]

Here's the thread on the "World Can't Wait" campaign...

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=37370

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[Guest]

Sorry, didn't see that :P Thanks redstar!

[riverotter]

Oops - forgot to log in. That was me.