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Sons_of_Eureka
1st July 2005, 12:22
Whats happening in brazil?

I don't know much about whats happening there but president Lula seems to a social demorcrat and hasn't brought around many changes to Brazil which pisses me off.

fernando
1st July 2005, 12:26
Last thing I heard was something about a corruption scandal! :(

RedAnarchist
1st July 2005, 12:37
Lula showed a bit of promise when he was elected a few years ago, but maybe that old adage about power being corrupting is true amongst politicians.

fernando
1st July 2005, 12:42
I hope the same doesnt happen to Chavez

RedAnarchist
1st July 2005, 12:44
I would think that Chavez is under a lot more pressure from Washington than Lula is, so Chavez could be pressured into 'selling out', or he could be pushed further leftwards. Hopefully the latter will occur, and i think it will - the people of Venezuela are mainly behind Chavez.

Andy Bowden
1st July 2005, 14:14
Socialists in Lula's party - the workers party, or the PT - have been expelled and started a new Socialist organisation called P-SOL. The only positive thing I can say about Lula is that he's working with Venezuela for a nationalised oil company in latin America. Apart from that Latin America needs more Chavez's and less Lula's! ;)

Nothing Human Is Alien
2nd July 2005, 02:35
How about more Che's and less parlimentary reformists?

fernando
2nd July 2005, 03:08
Che failed...we dont know yet if the parlementarians will fail

Nothing Human Is Alien
2nd July 2005, 03:28
What a vulgar and gross misinterpretation of history..

If you're going to say that "Che failed," how could you even consider sayin that "we dont know yet if the parlementarians will fail" -- Hundreds and hundreds of years of false promises, failures and not to mention that capitalism cannot be abolished by election!!

I suggest you read "Che Guevara and the Latin American Revolutionary Movements" by Manuel "Barbarroja" Pineiro (Commander in the July 26 Movement in Cuba) before you make such rediculous comments again.


'To try to reduce Che to a mere cultural symbol is a vulgar oversimplification. Che lives wherever there is a wrong to right and wherever there is a man or woman willing to dedicate his or her energy, efforts, intelligence and even life to the immense task of building a more worthy, human, better society and a world of solidarity.' Manuel Pi-eiro

Manuel Pi-eiro, known as 'Barbarroja' (Red Beard), was a figure of great mystery for decades. As head of the Cuban Communist Party's Americas Department, he oversaw Cuba's operations in support of liberation movements on every continent, especially Latin America and Africa.

Pi-eiro was one of Che Guevara's closest collaborators, responsible for his missions to the Congo and Bolivia. He later went on to work with revolutionaries in Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador and many other Latin American countries.

Pi-eiro discusses:

The recent biographies of Che & Che's legacy today
The accusation that Cuba betrayed Che in Bolivia
Cuba's relations with Allende's Chile and the Central American revolutions
The causes and significance of the collapse of the socialist bloc
Pi-eiro spoke out publicly for the first time in 1997 on the 30th anniversary of Che's death.

fernando
2nd July 2005, 11:37
Okay...did Bolivia turn communist? Did Che liberate Congo? No! He died in Bolivia and he himself stated that Congo was failure!

But okay...a true communist revolution in which ALL the masses of the proletariat rise up against the system, where did you ever see that happen? Where do you think the entire proletariat would do that?

Phalanx
3rd July 2005, 02:25
There is a level of poverty that makes the proletariat care less about revolution. For example, in the Congo, the poverty is so terrible that most people just want to worry about feeding themselves and their families without being killed by a rival ethnic-group militia. Especially in eastern DRC, where not only are Congolese being killed by militias, but by Rwandan soldiers looking for Hutu militants.

Deutsche Ideologie
3rd July 2005, 17:32
[Immortal Technique - Worker]
I'm on the border of Bolivia, working for pennies
Treated like a slave, the coke fields have to be ready
The spirit of my people is starving, broken and sweaty
Dreaming about revolution (REVOLUTION!) looking at my machete
But the workload is too heavy to rise up in arms
And if I ran away, I know they'd probably murder my moms
So I pray to "Heso Preisto" when I go to the mission
Process the cocaine, paced and play my position

[Pumpkinhead - Cocaine Field Boss]
Ok, listen while I'm out there, just give me my product
Before we chop off ya hands for worker's misconduct
I got the power to shoot a copper, and not get charged
And it would be sad to see your family in front of a firing squad
So to feed your kids, I need these bricks
40 tons in total, let me test it, indeed I (*sniff*)
Shit, this is good, pass me a tissue
And don't worry about them, I paid off the officials

[Diabolic - Peruvian Leader]
Yo, it don't come as a challenge, I'm the son of some of the foulest
Elected by my people...the only one on the ballot
Born and bred to consult with feds, I laugh at fate
And assassinate my predecessor to have his place
In a third-world Fascist state, lock the nation
With 90% of the wealth in 10% of the population
The Central Intelligence Agency takes weight faithfully
The finest type of China white and cocaine you'll see

[Tonedeff - American Drug Distributor]
Honey I'm home, nevermind why our bank account's suddenly grown
It's funny, we're so out of this debt from this money we owe
Woulda ya...mind if I told you I had two governments overthrown
To keep our son enrolled in a private school, and to keep ya tummy swollen
C'mon, our fuckin' home was built on the foundation of bloody throats
The hungry stolen of they souls, of course this country's runnin' coke
I took a stunted oath to hush the one's who know
But CIA conducts the flow of these young hustlers who lust for dough

[Poison Pen - Drug Dealer]
I don't work in the hood (Hit my connect)
Plus what's really good, they supply for the hood
These dudes fucking crack me up, scrutinize like we inferior
Petrified when we meet in my area (calm down)
My dude's'll shoot until I say so, got the loot?
Give me the YAY YAY like Ice Cube, so don't play with my llello
We won't stop for you bastards
Must choose (?), chop it and bag it

[Loucipher - Undercover Police Officer]
Taking pictures and tapping phones
Debating snitches and cracking codes
Past a couple, blast the fo',
Want any hustler stacking dough with probably crack the blow
And my overtime is where your taxes go
I gain your trust
Get you to hand weight to us because we paid up front
On the low with cameras taping ya
Getting pop away? The prison sentence is going to
Make the officer leave with two ki's out the evidence room

[C-Rayz Walz - Prison Inmate]
Out the evidence room (*Said with Loucipher*)
Went my fame, truck, boat or plane, they watching you
You think you got work? They copping too
We control blocks, they lock countries
Ya own companies, we had nice cars and sneaker money
Now there's players out there, talking 'bout the holding
With bugs in they house like they down South with windows open
Your dough ain't long, you wrong, you take shorts and (?)
Feds will be up in your mouth...like forks and spoons
So enjoy the rush, live plush off Coke bread
Soon you'll be in a cell with me, like Jenny Lopez
In school, I was a bully, now life is fully a joke
I keep a flow on a boat for Peruvian Coke
Players do favors for governers and tax makers
Fat Quakers smoke crack and sex acts with bad mayors
The walls got ears, you big mouths probably scared
Not prepared to do years like Javier

bolshevik butcher
3rd July 2005, 20:29
I think chavez has already been pushed leftwards. Also he has a mass movement that could easily just depose of him via a recall election. We may well see a new leadership iin brazil sooner or later as revolutions continue to sweep through latin america.