Great men and women.

[Mayhem]

Well, as i've been restricted from posting anywhere else, I'll start one here.

Post who you think are some great men and women, and some brief history.

Col. 'Mad' Mike Hoare. Mercenary commander. Led 4 Commando in the breakaway province of the Congo, Katanga. 1960-61. 1964, Hoare leads the mercenary unit 5 Commando against the psychopathic Simbas. Hoare and his 'Wild Geese' work with Belgian Paratroopers, Cuban Exiles and others to save European civilians from the Simbas. During which time, he inflicted numerous defeats upon Che Guevara, who was fighting with the Simbas.

1978, Hoare and a team of Mercenaries enter the Seychelles, and attempt a coup on behalf of some exiles. The Coup is triggered prematurely when an Airline Stewardess spots an AK-47. Hoare and his men fight a fierce battle, and manage to hijack an Air India flight, and return to South Africa. Hoare was sentenced to 10 years.

[*REVOLUCIÓN*]

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO TO HELL !

[Bugalu Shrimp]

That's exactly the kind of response this lonley little twerp is trying to elicit with his attention seeking swill.

My advice, ignore anyone who worships grunts like Colonel "mad" Whore.

[Mayhem]

I love the play on the name. Clever.

Don't worry. Most people go through a communist stage at 16-17. You'll grow up.

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Well it looks like my communist phase has exceeded it's use by date by ten years.
When are you going to be 16 Mayhem?

[Led Zeppelin]

Most people go through a communist stage at 16-17. You'll grow up.

:o I'm 16.

But wait, your theory is not based on facts, Lenin remained a Communist, the same could be said of millions of others.

[Rockfan]

Jimi Hendrix

[restin256]

Trent Reznor

[Organic Revolution]

red star.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 2 2005, 05:17 AM
red star.
How true. :D

[Che1990]

Every single one of us is a great person :D

[Forward Union]

Bob Geldof *everyone gasps* ...is not a good man! :lol:

[Kitbag]

Well I think Mayhem just got owned.

[Ultra-Violence]

[QUOTE]
Most people go through a communist stage at 16-17. You'll grow up.

how could u say that thats a personal insult im 16 and im communist and its not a "phase". I became a communist when i was 10 and i visted my family in geutemala and i saw there poor living conditions and of the poeple around them. thats when i knew there was wrong in the world and i started qeustioning everything and thats when i learned about capitilism and politics etc... and found out why they live in such horrible conditions "YANKEE IMPERIALISM" and i learned about che and so forth i tought my self all these things and still learning to hope fully make a difference one day and you call it a phase you are a really shallow person "MAYHEM" :ph34r:

[TheKingOfMercy]

A lot of people do actually just go through a communist phase though, then they leave university, and find out the real world is good at killing idealism. Some people obviously believe in it, as is evidenced by this forum.

For my contribution - Stalin. not for being a great ruler or a lovely bloke, but because he could get things done. Totalitarians are good at it, but in my opinion, Stalin was the best, if he said it, it got done. Yesterday. Plus he also managed to put the whole of the western world on uber-paranoia for 60 years.

He also had a really great 'tasche

[jamieaskew]

What did hoare (sp?) actually stand for. You've obviously come into this forum with the intention of angering people by saying he fought against che. Explain your oppinions then we can build a real picture of what you stand for. I respect anybody with an oppinion. People with oppinions make life worth living. so please explain ur views and then maybe we can have a debate rather than just telling people to sut up.

[Publius]

Audie Murphy, for killing over 250 of the Nazi scumbags.

[Rockfan]

Yeah I'm still going with Jimi. He was just so soulful.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 3 2005, 01:58 PM
Bob Geldof *everyone gasps* ...is not a good man! :lol:
Bob Geldof is a rock star, which forgives nearly all.

Hmm, great people... Alan Turing is a name I will throw into the hat.

[ernestolynch]

Che Guevara
Enver Hoxha
Sylvia Pankhurst
Bobby Sands
James Connolly
Rosa Luxembourg
Josef Stalin
Harry Pollitt
Vo Nguyen Giap
Fidel Castro
Hugo Chavez
Ramon Mercader
Nestor Makhno
Yuri Gagarin
Diego Maradona
Bill Hicks
Wat Tyler
Vassili Zaitsev
Karl Liebknicht
Josip Broz Tito
Mao Zhedong
Owain Glyndwr
Huey Newton
Jack Jones
La Pasionara
Erich Honecker
Heldor Camara
Ho Chi Minh
Red Cloud
Geronimo
Crazy Horse


and so on...the wheel of history turneth evermore

[Zingu]

A real Marxist is not motivated by idealism. Its called Scientific Socialism for a fact, I'm 16, I will admit it; but I believe in class struggle as the moving forces of society, revolutions are the locamotives of history my freinds.

Sure, there is the idealist part about it, but my grounds in my beliefs come in theory, not ideology; ideology is false counsciuness. I'm staying red for life.

[ZeroPain]

Josef Stalin

How can you say that, Stalin was the WORST thing to happen to the Internatinal Socialist movement in the last century.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 10:55 PM

Josef Stalin

How can you say that, Stalin was the WORST thing to happen to the Internatinal Socialist movement in the last century.
Because I am not a liberal westerner like you, brought up on CIA lies. Do you claim a better understanding of Russia than the 40 million Russians who recently voted Cde Stalin as the 'best leader' they ever had?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 10:59 PM

How can you say that, Stalin was the WORST thing to happen to the Internatinal Socialist movement in the last century.
Because I am not a liberal westerner like you, brought up on CIA lies. Do you claim a better understanding of Russia than the 40 million Russians who recently voted Cde Stalin as the 'best leader' they ever had? [/quote]
But being popular, does that make a person automatically Marxist? No.

[ernestolynch]

I'd trust 40 million Russians of all ages, who lived through his time, and their following generations, than some 16-year old kiddie from America...

[Zingu]

How can 40 million Russians determine if someone adered to Marxist principles or not? Popularity does not equate to one's standing as a Marxist. Sure, he might have been popular; but "Socialism in one Country" in my view turned Marxism on its head.

Stalin was nothing more than a national populist.

[ernestolynch]

How can the USA, Russia and Burkina Faso all be expected to be socialist at the same stage of development at the same time? If the USA (as if) had a socialist revolution, you'd advocate they all give in and reintroduce capitalism until the Sudan or Somalia reach the same stage of economic development?

The denial of a community/nation/area to become socialist because others haven't yet is the fundamental incorrectness of Liberal-Trotskyism.

[Zingu]

I never said that Russia, since skipping a stage of capitalism "should give in" and go back. The October Revolution was a progressive revolution nevertheless. But, my point being, it turned out not to be a Socialist revolution.
I will admit, Stalin was a progressive force bringing Russia out of feudalism, but that does not make him anymore Communist than before.

Why should they fall back to Capitalism? They could substain Socialism until the rest achieve it. And, why couldn't they help the others achieve it?

[ernestolynch]

"They could substain socialism until the rest achieve it"

You mean...in one country?

:o

[Zingu]

Note the other part;


And, why couldn't they help the others achieve it?

But, why did he abandon the international movement? Politicking with France and betraying the Spanish Civil War? Seemed very un-'Socialist" to me.

[ernestolynch]

Betraying the Spanish Civil War in the way of sending troops, tanks and arms to Spain.

Anyway, I've found a communist forum where liberals like you are not welcome, enjoy your dallying with marijouana, and your future career in your pop's business, you part-time pinko.

[Zingu]

Heh, actually, he betrayed the POUM and CNT-FAI, promoting a burgeoisie democracy to take control of Spain, hardly Communist. :lol:

As for me, before you make assumptions, I'm a orthodox Marxist, I'm not Trotskyist, my family is working class and I haven't touched drugs in my life...so much for stereotypes Mr. National-Populist!

I find that alot of 'Stalinists' don't really care for the finer points of Marxism, if Marxism at all, only obessed with Iron man Stalin and his authoritarian state calling theirselves 'Communists' since Stalin did so.

[ernestolynch]

How many 'internationalist' Trotskyists and Anarchists went to help the POUM and their enemies, the CNT-FAI (both avowed enemies of the USSR)?

Or was going to fight the Fascist something for Communist Party members to do only?

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 12:20 AM
How many 'internationalist' Trotskyists and Anarchists went to help the POUM and their enemies, the CNT-FAI (both avowed enemies of the USSR)?

Or was going to fight the Fascist something for Communist Party members to do only?
Quite alot; including George Orwell who had a first hand account about when the Stalinists took down the CNT-FAI and POUM; who were all in the coalition to fight the fascists, rather sectarian.

But, I fail to see how the USSR's moves where internationalist; epsecially the 'avowed enemies of the USSR", implying that the USSR was more concerned with building its own power rather than pushing forward the proletarian revolution?

Again though, we're moving off topic here, I fail to see how any of Stalin's actions were Marxist.

[KC]

Stalin had more problems in his own country than to worry about spreading socialism worldwide. Consolidate, then advance. Also, Stalin was a dictator. Horrible things happened under his rule. But he took one of the poorest countries in the world and turned it into one of the biggest international superpowers. Stalin was a man who believed that the end justifies the means.

[ZeroPain]

Stalin had more problems in his own country than to worry about spreading socialism worldwide. Consolidate, then advance. Also, Stalin was a dictator. Horrible things happened under his rule. But he took one of the poorest countries in the world and turned it into one of the biggest international superpowers. Stalin was a man who believed that the end justifies the means.

When the means are crap and the ends are crap........
its crap....

[Vallegrande]

Boadicea of the Iceni, for her relentless hatred against Roman presence.

[KC]

When the means are crap and the ends are crap........
its crap....

The means were horrible. The ends were incredible. Turning a failing nation into one of the most successful isn't crap. You're just saying that because it was Stalin. Why don't you look at it objectively instead of thinking that Stalin did nothing good. I myself can't stand what Stalin did.