WTF?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Anyone know what happen in detail?

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/farc/collar-bomba.jpg


Suspected FARC guerrillas detonated a collar bomb they attached to dairy farmer Elvia Cortes, age 55, on May 16, 2000, after she refused to pay a $7,500 extorsion.

[FriedFrog]

http://www.task-int.com/Cortez.html

What a fantastic way to win popular support. It's appalling.

[Organic Revolution]

fuck the FARC they are no better than the colombian government

[dso79]

I googled her name and found some interesting articles:

The Anatomy of a Colombian Terror Attack (http://www.colombiasupport.net/200006/nyt-rosenberg-0619.asp)


But then the Colombian government changed its mind. On May 31, Attorney General Alfonso Gomez said it was increasingly clear that the FARC was not responsible for the crime, a statement echoed by other officials. There has been an arrest, reportedly of a family member of a neighbor who had a personal dispute with Ms. Cortes.


I think this is a FARC communiqué about it (I'm not sure, though. I don't really speak Spanish):

http://six.swix.ch/farcep/Comunicados/2000/may1700.html

[Phalanx]

What FARC has done is cruel and must be condemned by leftists worldwide. Torture is not necessary in the Revolution, we must take lives with the utmost reluctance.

[Colombia]

I'm a bit skeptical, this attack on a nobody makes little sense. What proof that it was the FARC do they have anyway?

[comradestephen]

Condemning FARC for an act that they supposedly committed, but was probably made up by the bourgeois media is pure treason against the working class of Columbia and the world.

It is common knowledge amongst revolutionaries that the Columbia government and its U.S. imperialist backers have pulled off all sorts of crimes against the Columbian people and blamed them on FARC. I mean they don't even have the marbles to claim it was FARC that did it they just say "suspected".

I can't help but question the revolutionary integrity of 'comrades' who are so quick to condemn FARC without any real information or evidence.

[dso79]

I agree.
It’s shocking to see how many “leftists” are willing to believe this right-wing propaganda about FARC, even after I posted a link to an article in which even the Attorney General admitted that the FARC was innocent.

[Phalanx]

Now that I look at it, I feel really stupid. I think I just got caught in that spur of the moment thing. :(

[Guerrilla22]

While I can't condone such actions, they will undoubatedly persist untill the US stops aiding the corrupt Colombian government. Also, the media tends to ignore these same type of actions when perpatrated by the US or Colombian forces, such as innocent civillians accidently killed in raids.

[Phalanx]

You mean "accidently". People do tend to conveniently "forget" that any atrocities have been committed by the Colombian government or US bombs. Such as today. 17 US soldiers were killed when their helicopter was supposedly shot down by insurgents. Alright, this with another 29 soldiers in Afghanistan killed. But how many civilians have been killed during the crossfire (including those killed by americans) 125+. This number is probably far higher, but the media does tend to forget about someone here and there <_< .

[Guerrilla22]

There&#39;s nothing accidnetal about it. The corrupt media always broadcast information to make the American governmnet look good its as simple as that.

[Phalanx]

This is exactly my point.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

If you&#39;re going to put the common &#39;its the media&#39;s fault&#39; line on acts of terror, it&#39;s distorting your view of what&#39;s really going on, my friends.

If you can&#39;t even see that the FARC is a threat because of terror, then I feel sorry for you. It&#39;s not always the media...sometimes it could actually be the group itself.

[rise_up]

i&#39;m sorry but this is appaling...whoever did this is disgusting.i don&#39;t think FARC did it.but someone did.and that makes me sick

[Kitbag]

That&#39;s disgusting. It just shouldn&#39;t happen. People who do things like this shouldn&#39;t be allowed near other humans&#33;


Torture is not necessary in the Revolution, we must take lives with the utmost reluctance.

100% agree. If we sank to their level then what good would we be...

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 30 2005, 02:50 PM
If you&#39;re going to put the common &#39;its the media&#39;s fault&#39; line on acts of terror, it&#39;s distorting your view of what&#39;s really going on, my friends.

If you can&#39;t even see that the FARC is a threat because of terror, then I feel sorry for you. It&#39;s not always the media...sometimes it could actually be the group itself.
That&#39;s not the line I&#39;m giving at all. My point is this: The US government supplies the Colombian government with millions in military aid each year. FARC has to get funds somehow. You may be opposed to their methods being a liberal apologist, but how else are they going to raise funds, a lemonade stand?

[Phalanx]

Really, all that was known is that they were a &#39;group of armed men&#39;. This really could be anyone&#33; With Colombia&#39;s chaotic countryside, I&#39;m sure there are plenty of bandits looking for a way to get cash. It could even be the right-wing paramilitary groups that Colombia&#39;s government supposedly "disarmed".

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by Chinghis [email protected] 30 2005, 06:21 PM
Really, all that was known is that they were a &#39;group of armed men&#39;. This really could be anyone&#33; With Colombia&#39;s chaotic countryside, I&#39;m sure there are plenty of bandits looking for a way to get cash. It could even be the right-wing paramilitary groups that Colombia&#39;s government supposedly "disarmed".
Yes exactly we dont have enough info. Its just the goverment jumps right to the FARC as a scapegoat.

[Red Heretic]

Ahem, I&#39;ve said it once, and I&#39;ll say it again, the only legitimate revolutionary organization in Columbia is the RCG.

The FARC drug lords need the system of capitalism to keep their drug trade going.

[chebol]

So revolutionary legitimacy has been trademarked, eh?

Tell me, what do you have to do to get the franchise?

Get real&#33; The RCG?????? About as useful or relevant as a fart in a thunderstorm.

[Sons_of_Eureka]

I&#39;d have to agree that this attack is most likey done by those right wing paramillitarys as they seem to do attacks like this all the time and also it would be out of character of the FARC as they don&#39;t usally resort to such extreme means.

Even if the FARC are responsible for this attack i&#39;m sure it would be condemed by the FARC as it would probly be an act of a &#39;out of control member&#39;.

Members who condem the FARC,do not condem them because of acts of individuals in thier movement,the FARC are not a solid entity so some actions commited by it are the fault of the individual not the group.

Every revolution has terrible acts of violence against the inocencent but in the end more people are saved.As Chairman Mao put it &#39;A revolution is not a tea party&#39; so those who question the methods of the columbias revolutionarys,perhaps you are in the wrong ideology? maybe you should admit your true colours instead of being a crypto-liberal.


Get real&#33; The RCG?????? About as useful or relevant as a fart in a thunderstorm.

You said it comrade&#33; :lol:

[Kitbag]

Mmmm...

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Ahem, I&#39;ve said it once, and I&#39;ll say it again, the only legitimate revolutionary organization in Columbia is the RCG.


The RCG?

[Raubleaux]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:20 PM
Condemning FARC for an act that they supposedly committed, but was probably made up by the bourgeois media is pure treason against the working class of Columbia and the world.

It is common knowledge amongst revolutionaries that the Columbia government and its U.S. imperialist backers have pulled off all sorts of crimes against the Columbian people and blamed them on FARC. I mean they don&#39;t even have the marbles to claim it was FARC that did it they just say "suspected".

I can&#39;t help but question the revolutionary integrity of &#39;comrades&#39; who are so quick to condemn FARC without any real information or evidence.
Amen to that... so many fake socialists. It is really disheartening.

[Rawthentic]

Look, I know that the right wing media is full of liars and pigs, but we cannot be hypocritical either. The FARC has been known to do terrorist attacks against their own people, and thats beside the fact that they are drug lords, which is what keeps their "revolution" :D going. The FARC is just a bunch of goddam Leninists who have nearly no support, and if they do its because of their intimidation.

Im aware of the extremely corrupt Colombian government, but we cant hide the corruption of these so-called "revolutionaries", which they have nothing of, thats for sure. The FARC will never get any farther than their little jungles, they will never ignite revolution, because theyre just a few, and by doing guerilla warfare, they would alienate the people. And once again, its Leninism what they fight for. Leninism is not revolutionary if you ask me.

[A Man of no Nation]

I just think most people do not have real facts about Las FARC. It is all a matter of opinion. I conclude that none of the sides in this conflict are doing what is right for the people. It is a war that has many decades to go.

In order to get the real insight, you need to talk with the campesinos (peasants) of Colomibia. The leftist media and rightwing media are both full of bias nonsense...opinions is all they usually have to offer.

So do yourself a favor. If you want hard facts, visit regions of nueva colombia (Putumayo, Caqueta, Amazonas, Meta, Guaviare, Vaupes, Guainia, Vichada, Arauca and Casanare) as well as Choco and northwest Antioquia. Then personally ask campesinos (peasants) to tell their personal stories. Many of them will tell you the horrors they have experienced with paramilitares or leftist guerrillas. However, most people in Colombia cannot talk and will not. No freedom of expresion exists here. Everyone needs to realize that it is very difficult to be a journalist in Colombia.

In Colombia, it has that "You are either with us or against us" mentality which is an imperialistic tool. Why do I have to choose a side in the Colombian conflict? Dont I have the right to disagree with every side in the conflict? Acording to rightwing groups and leftwing groups, I do not have the right.

My support goes out to the communities under constant attack from guerrilla and paramilitaries. The communities who have declared themselves "peace communities". They do not want any of the sides taking control of their lives. They do not want to live within the bloodshed anymore.

That is true communistic anarchism.

I do not care which side claims victory, as long as they are what is the best for the people as a whole.

-amonn

[Rawthentic]

how the hell is that communist anarchism? Thats just choosing to not be part of a conflict. And whoever wins in this conflict, if anyone can really win. it wont be what good for the people, but for the interests of both sides

[Andy Bowden]

The whole necklace story is bollocks. The Colombian military admitted a couple of days later it was criminals and not the FARC who did it.

http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/2001...rison-NarcoNews (http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/2001-Ireland/A_FARC-ICAL_Episode:_Danny_Morrison-NarcoNews)

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 02:41 PM
Anyone know what happen in detail?
Somebody set up us the bomb.