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communist panda
28th June 2005, 21:12
I heard from few books and souces that karl marx got his ideals from puable Building Natives Americans in United States south west. Becuase they belived in working togather in complex sytem with no classes. Does anyone have any imformation about this and im not sure if this is true or say say?

ZeroPain
28th June 2005, 21:34
Its not.

romanm
28th June 2005, 21:38
Which books would those be?

Titles?

workersunity
28th June 2005, 23:24
that would be interesting to look into, but may i ask where you heard that from?

OleMarxco
28th June 2005, 23:36
No, it was from German's fore-fronted "state-philosophist" at that time, he got his "beliefs" from. His..crazy..demented..."escaped-from-mental-asylum"-theories..yes, he were a part of a nice 'lil tea-club called fer teh YOUNG HEGELIANS at'rat time, oh-yah! ;)

coda
29th June 2005, 01:15
Marx did developed and reinforce some of his ideas from studying the works of anthropologist Lewis Henry Morgan who lived among the Senecas and wrote "The League of the Iroquois" & "Ancient Society." The Haudenosuanee (Iroquois) Six Nations Confederacy, the alliance of the Senecas, Oneidas, Onondaga, Cayuga, Tuscarora & Mohawks founded, some estimate around the 11th century, had a political system based on participatory democracy & communal/collectivist, classless social organization often favoring matriarchal lines (women held veto power in councils and chose council chiefs.) Marx said the Iroquois political system was "a masterful piece of wisdom." The US constitution also borrowed their interpretation of democracy from the Iroquois Confederacy. Marx also used Morgan's work to map out the evolution of primitivist to capitalist societies and referenced the Morgan notes in his "Ethnological Notebooks." After his death, Engels used some of the notes in "Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State."


http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/marx_iroquois.html

http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/YENG1884.HTM

communist panda
29th June 2005, 04:50
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 12:15 AM
Marx did developed and reinforce some of his ideas from studying the works of anthropologist Lewis Henry Morgan who lived among the Senecas and wrote "The League of the Iroquois" & "Ancient Society." The Haudenosuanee (Iroquois) Six Nations Confederacy, the alliance of the Senecas, Oneidas, Onondaga, Cayuga, Tuscarora & Mohawks founded, some estimate around the 11th century, had a political system based on participatory democracy & communal/collectivist, classless social organization often favoring matriarchal lines (women held veto power in councils and chose council chiefs.) Marx said the Iroquois political system was "a masterful piece of wisdom." The US constitution also borrowed their interpretation of democracy from the Iroquois Confederacy. Marx also used Morgan's work to map out the evolution of primitivist to capitalist societies and referenced the Morgan notes in his "Ethnological Notebooks." After his death, Engels used some of the notes in "Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State."


http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/marx_iroquois.html

http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/YENG1884.HTM
I read about this is some anthropologist books i can look up the names when find the books i saw it in agian.