Hey Hampton

[resisting arrest with violence]

Is it true that Fred Hampton called Weather Underground member Mark Rudd a "fucking masochist" and floored him with one punch. Sad but true. Apparently Hampton thought Mark Rudd was crazy with revolutionary zeal. Hampton called The Days of Rage in Chicago "Custeristic"---- that they resembled General Custer's last stand. Rudd wanted to "kick ass" and recruit kids from the inner city. Often the Weather Underground had to scrap and fight with these inner city kids in order to prove their toughness. Those days were wild. I was reading a book called The War Within. That book details funny anecdotes of the Weather Underground going into schools and tying up the teacher and gagging them and proceeding to lecture the students on various topics from communism to the war in Vietnam. Then the female members of Weather Underground would go through the hallways baring their breasts shouting "Prison Break!" "Prison Break!"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520083679/qid=1119975216/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/102-5698346-6801704?v=glance&s=books)

http://sunrisedancer.com/radicalreader/library/sds/sds25.asp

[Hampton]

Well, I don't think Fred had that much respect for the Underground and he did call them Custerites. Their would be response to his murder, the bombing a military dance at Fort Dix, would not have been his way to respond to the situation I don't think.


For sixty minutes the berserk mob terrorized that neighborhood, breaking windows, smashing cars, assaulting unprotected civilians and police alike. Only sixty‑eight of the nearly three hundred arrests made during the Days of Rage occurred that night.[27] But wherever the Weathermen congregated in the next few days the police moved in to continue the arrests. No one mourned the harsh treatment handed out by the police, who suffered twenty‑eight injuries the first night. Least sympathetic of all were the Black Panthers. On the second day, Fred Hampton, an Illinois leader of the Panthers who would himself be shot by Chicago police a few months later, called the action "anarchistic, opportunistic, adventuristic and Custeristic."[28] The "Custer" Hampton had in mind was undoubtedly Mark Rudd, whom he also labeled a "motherfucking masochist."[29] Rudd, however, was more the Cowardly Lion than a Custer. On the one night of dangerous rampaging he quietly slipped away before the action began.

www.sunrisedancer.com/radicalreader/library/whospokeup/whospokeup10.asp+fred+hampton+Mark+Rudd+masochist&hl=en&client=firefox-a]Link (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Pjw8btS6zFgJ:[url).[/url]


I haven't read the book or seen the documentary but from what I know if they wanted to organize the inner city they would have been better off working with keeping alive the Rainbow Coalition that he had started before he died. Fred's main thing was to get the brothers from the street together, the gangs, and stop the violence and turn it into good energy against the common oppressor and not each other.

[Vallegrande]

Didn't the Weather Underground claim they were together with the Black Panthers?

[Organic Revolution]

they claimed they were the "white branch" of the panthers

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by resisting arrest with violence
That book details funny anecdotes of the Weather Underground going into schools and tying up the teacher and gagging them and proceeding to lecture the students on various topics from communism to the war in Vietnam. Then the female members of Weather Underground would go through the hallways baring their breasts shouting "Prison Break!" "Prison Break!"

I hate to spoil "a good story", but the reality was somewhat less...impressive.

This tactic was attempted once...in a high school in Pittsburgh, if I'm not mistaken.

No teachers were "tied up".

They did indeed run the through the halls yelling "prison break!" in an attempt to get the kids to spontaneously walk out...but the young women did not "bare their breasts" and the kids in the school did not respond to the call to walk out.

And they were not yet the "Weather Underground"...this all happened before they went underground.

It's not surprising that this stuff gets exaggerated. I was once arrested in an "illegal rally" at a certain university center building -- imagine my surprise a year later to learn from students at that school that we had "occupied the university center".

First you do something...and then the legend starts growing. :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[Organic Revolution]

its easy for the truth to get strtched.... esspecially in the case of history.

[Anarchist Freedom]

History is notorious for exgregations and revisionism. Sooo.

[resisting arrest with violence]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM)
resisting arrest with violence
That book details funny anecdotes of the Weather Underground going into schools and tying up the teacher and gagging them and proceeding to lecture the students on various topics from communism to the war in Vietnam. Then the female members of Weather Underground would go through the hallways baring their breasts shouting "Prison Break!" "Prison Break!"

I hate to spoil "a good story", but the reality was somewhat less...impressive.

This tactic was attempted once...in a high school in Pittsburgh, if I'm not mistaken.

No teachers were "tied up".

They did indeed run the through the halls yelling "prison break!" in an attempt to get the kids to spontaneously walk out...but the young women did not "bare their breasts" and the kids in the school did not respond to the call to walk out.

And they were not yet the "Weather Underground"...this all happened before they went underground.

It's not surprising that this stuff gets exaggerated. I was once arrested in an "illegal rally" at a certain university center building -- imagine my surprise a year later to learn from students at that school that we had "occupied the university center".

First you do something...and then the legend starts growing. :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif [/b]
Who is this? Satan?

[Organic Revolution]

what are you talking about?

[bolshevik butcher]

Did the black panther party accept support form white people?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 3 2005, 01:55 PM
Did the black panther party accept support form white people?
im pretty sure they did.

[violencia.Proletariat]

was fred hampton the black panther that got murdered by the police while he was asleep in his bed?

[Hampton]

Did the black panther party accept support form white people?

Yes, they worked with the Peace and Freedom Party when Eldridge ran for President, Huey's lawyer was a white guy, and of course Bob Avakian overblown stories of him with the Panthers.


was fred hampton the black panther that got murdered by the police while he was asleep in his bed?

Yep.

Link. (http://www.providence.edu/afro/students/panther/hamptonsr.html)

[violencia.Proletariat]

*nevermind*

[Hampton]

He was murdered but not by the police. He had a dispute with a drug drealer, he was into cocaine at the time, and the dealer shot and killed him on August 22, 1989 in Oakland I think. A pointless way to die for someone who did so much.

[Organic Revolution]

wait hampton... im confused. since nate changed his post, your post doesnt make sense. could you please elaborate?

[praxis1966]

He's talking about Huey Newton, Chairman of the BPP. I should also clarify one of Hammie's earlier posts: The Panthers accepted all kinds of political support from predominantly white organizations, but I'm like 99.9% sure they didn't accept any monetary support. At least at the outset they were following the example set by Malcom X and the NOI in that they believed that the liberation of African Americans was a goal that only African American action could achieve. For the record I'd also like to say that the Panther's association with Peace and Freedom was more of an alliance than a sponsorship in nature.

[resisting arrest with violence]

See if this Wikipedia article is correct; you can make corrections. I did not write it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Newton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party

[bolshevik butcher]

Im glad to here that about he panther party you here a lot of bad press about them just basically being black fanatics, who were anti-white.

[Organic Revolution]

no they were never anti white.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Its just something that the history books say....

[praxis1966]

If the history books even bother discussing them at all. For an organization labelled by J. Edgar Hoover "public enemy number one," they don't tend to get a lot of ink. If your only knowledge of the "civil rights" (I put those in quotes because the word civil conotes legislation only, whereas their struggle could be more aptly characterized as one of human rights) stemmed from my high school or college history textbooks, you'd never know they even existed. Even worse was how my high school history textbook treated the movement in general. It had one whole paragraph on Martin Luther King, Jr. and one sentence on Malcolm X; "Where King favored a nonviolent approach to gaining civil rights, Malcolm X favored a violent one." Total and utter bullshit.

[Hampton]

In high school mind had about a paragraph about Malcolm and a couple of lines on the Panthers and the rest of the "black Power" movement. Even when I took a African American history course in college they had about 4 paragraphs on Malcolm and the same on the Panthers while the majority of the Civil Rights movement was on Martin and the rest. My major gripe was that they were more biographical than anything else. While I understand that people need to first know who they were before what they did the second half is almost just as imporant.

Not to mention that Cointelpro was not even mentioned.

[praxis1966]

Yeah, most of what I know about the movement back then I learned through independent research. I never took a college African American history course though. Perhaps it was reverse racism of me, but I thought it ridiculous that the guy who taught it was white (and so am I btw) so I never enrolled. In any event, I never understood the differentiation between American and African American history. It seems to me that if you actually taught real American history, African American history would be covered and it wouldn't be necessary to have the latter. What also never made any sense was that no matter what level of schooling you're currently in, American history is required but African American history is always an elective. If that's not institutionalized racism I don't know what the hell is.

[Hampton]

Yea, the class was an elective haha. I hear you though, I mean you would assume that you would be taught about the history of blacks in America in a general history course, but I don't think it works that way, at least it didn't in my high school. But in reality there is no diffrence between the two, they are one in the same.

[rebelworker]

If any of you folks are in the north east of the US, the best stuff on the panthers ive heard is a speach from a guy named Ashanti Alston. He is Based in New York, writes a zine called the Anarchist Panther(not nearly as interesting as hearing him speak), he was a meber of the Panthers and later the Black libveration Army, spent about 20 years in prison, got out converted to anarchism and now mostly dose anti prison organizing with critical resistance. He Is also a founding member of the Anarchist People of Color Network(check their greet website). I helped orgganize a tour of quebec he did on the history and legacy of the Balck Panther Party and Armed struggle in the US, unbeleivable, such a powerful and incitefull speaker, I think you can get a copy of his speach on CD from his web site.

Also the best movie on the panthers, and the sixties and seventies in general is called All Power To The People: the black panthers and beyond, It is one of the best films i have ever seen(and I have alot), a must see for any revolutionary! Its available from filmakers library online, dont hesitate to get a copy. The Black Panthers, Cointellpro, leadership struggles, community programs, interviews with Panthers still in jail....

GET AHOLD OF THIS FILM!!!"!!