ZIMBABWE

[rise_up]

Mugabe has banned all foreign newsreporters from the country and has lied to his people,telling them that britain has followed their lead with the 400,000 homes they destroyed in a bid to stop the black market.This means that the people don't know the truth (like the rest of the world) not just that but the death rate in zimbabwe is outstripping the birth rate by 4,000. What is he doing? There are peopling starving to death on their way to hospital.on their way to be treated for HIV/AIDS. In a first world country it takes 10years for full blown AIDS to develop.but in Zimbabwe it is taking only months.MONTHS.WHAT THE FUCK?? MONTHS?? THIS IS SiCK!!!! He tells people that have HIV that there is nothing he can do.and they should leave him alone.WHAT?!?SOMEONE NEEDS TO HELP
THEM.

[maoist_revolution]

and in his early days he called him self a marxists what a fucking disgrace assasanate the monster. he is a monster against humanity

[rise_up]

He deserves to be assassinated.he's killing a nation. anyone think that it's wrong?if you don't you're just as bad.

[maoist_revolution]

So true my Comrade

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Easy there fella's - remember Iraq, remember Saddam. Remember everything you read or hear isn't necessarily true.

[Kitbag]

True, but I'd rather people were thinking like that in Zimbabwe...Also, it's extremely fucked up, America goes into Iraq to wage war against a man who apparently has some weapons, but when there's a country who's leader is killing and mistreating his people that badly, America and Britian couldn't care less, as it's not a direct threat to us. Fucking hell. I mean, it's one thing that we have news reports (small ones, mind), but it's ridiculous that nobody has noticed unless they actively seek it out, which shouldn't happen, people need to be made aware of this desperate situation. I'll look into posters on this. The Posters page is in Graphics, by the way. Yes, if this is true, then Mugabe should most definately be killed. Unfortunately, you can't just go into other people's countries and steal their leaders...Well, not if Bush is around. But I doubt he would do anyway as he probably doesn't care, no oil in Zimbabwe is there?

[maoist_revolution]

Im not suggesting america goes in and takes him out

[Kitbag]

I know, but I'd like them to, but Bush is too narrow-minded for that, in my opinion. I don't think he'd risk a bit of an outcry against his Presidency. There's no money in it.

[xnj]

rise_up: Back up your claims.

Kitbag: The US and Britain are already messing with Zimbabwe. They're funding and directing their lackeys in the MDC. They're trying to recolonize the country and prevent Mugabe and ZANU-PF from carrying out land reform. Imperialist intervention isn't the solution. It's the root of the problem.

And, everyone, read this thread (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=36609).

[Kitbag]

Fair point, but what I was getting at was the fact that I doubt America would mess with Zimbabwe, but I didn't know they were, so I retract my statement. I think imperialist intervention can be a solution if done correctly, which would be hepling the people to help themselves. If they had done that in Iraq then maybe things would have turned out a bit better.

[comradestephen]

Zimbabwe, for all its numerous problems of which we are all very aware especially thanks to our dear friends in the bourgeois media, is still one of the most progressive countries in Africa.

Look at things in context people.

While we have a right to be concerned about problems of the working class in any country, is it not curious that there are so many posts on this board attacking socialist and more progressive countries and so little about our own country and other imperialist ones? I see DPRK did this, FARC did that, Zimbabwe did this...

The bourgeois media is spreading these half truths and/or lies already, they don't need our help. Let's instead focus on the actual enemy: imperialism.

xnj -- good points.

[Kitbag]

No offence, but the thread is named Zimbabwe

[Colombia]

You cannot understand how these people live unless you actually experience it.

How many of you have?

Instead of being blinded by your ideologys, you should support what will benefit the people, nothing more. Whether it be imperialistic or not.

[xnj]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:44 PM
Instead of being blinded by your ideologys, you should support what will benefit the people, nothing more. Whether it be imperialistic or not.
What will benefit the people is the completion of land reform, the lifting of sanctions, and the withdrawal of US and British funds and advisors back to their own countries.

And, after that is done, reparations to the people of Africa for all of the wealth sucked out of their continent by the European imperialists.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Kitbag
I think imperialist intervention can be a solution if done correctly, which would be helping the people to help themselves.

You and far too many others on this board.

Imperialism does not "help people to help themselves" and never has! Please get over the idea that any imperialist power gives a rat's ass for the victims of any local tyranny...no matter how bad it is.

The only time an imperialist power commits to a "military solution" of any question is when they perceive (rightly or wrongly) that their own material interests are at stake.

The Mugabe regime, regardless of its earlier achievements, has clearly become an odious and cruel despotism...substantially worse than that of Saddam Hussein, for example.

But it must be overthrown by an uprising of the people of Zimbabwe and not by any "humanitarian" imperialists.

There's no such thing!

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[Kitbag]

Imperialist intervention shouldn't happen, but if it did then I'd much rather it was helping people help themselves, which is doubtful, but better than usual. But yeah, you're right.

[rise_up]

they definatly shouldn't intervene.that would cause a lot ofproblems.itmay solve some but create others.there needs to be a better way

[RedAnarchist]

Look at the first Iraqi war. After Iraq was defeated, there was a small uprising that could have been helped by the US and UK, but they just left those in the uprising to be punished by Saddam. Imperialists will never give help unless that help is very much in their interests.

The people of Zimbabwe are being pushed and pushed by Mugabe. Soon they will get sick of being pushed and will begin to fight back. It is only a matter of time.

[Kitbag]

Let's hope it's not too much time.