'straight edge' / asceticism

[spartafc]

What do you think of the practices of those who have consciously decided to abstain from the use of drugs, meat and/or promiscuous sex in an attempt to regain control of their bodies?

The words used to describe those who have done so are varied - one of the latest phrases used to describe an emerging group centering around discouraging the use of these substances is the so called 'straight edge' (sxe) group. Within this group there seems a clear focus on taking control and thinking for yourself.

Individual practices vary, though the tradition of abstaining from substances or acts considered harmful in excess is fairly long. For William Gallacher of the early "British Communist Party" abstaining from drink formed an integral part of his politics, having seen his poor family ripped apart by drink abuse. According to Clara Zetkin's "My Recollections of Lenin" - Lenin frowned upon the practices of those who had decided to view the emerging Russian Revolution within a context which excused promiscuous 'bohemian' sex.

For me this isn't so much about changing the world but thinking about how we want to live in the world as individuals. I am weary of drug-dependence, we know who benefits from the addictions of alcohol and tobacco - the large corporations that push these drugs. This raises questions for me about the amount of control I have over my body and my consumption patterns.


All thoughts welcomed on this issue.

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

Well, there can't be anything but benefits from practicing it.

[spartafc]

Well, there can't be anything but benefits from practicing it.

this may be true. If so - Is it wise to advocate this approach on an individual level to others? Should we be thinking about the things we consume and suggesting others do so too?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

They're trying to make a cultural movement out of this shit, and it's lame.

It's a personal decision. Let the rest of us enjoy ourselves, you fucking puritans.

And not a single good band has come from this scene.

[Xvall]

I have no problem with them, and I don't even have problems with them suggesting that other people don't do it either. But when they start attempting to enforce their lifestyle upon others, it crosses the line. It's everyone's own choice what they do with their mind and body, and no one should be allowed to make those decisions for them.

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

That runs parralel to evangelism, personally I don't believe so, its a persons own decision, there body.

[spartafc]

It's a personal decision.


I largely agree and i'm not suggesting we jail 'bad' members of Rev-Left, but I do think there are valid points to be made though in relation to taking control of your body and resisting the creeping negative influence of narcotics/etc.

There is a point where things can just become about life-style politics, and we just try and change the foods we eat instead of resisting capitalism. Which is what I would be weary of.

[LSD]

but I do think there are valid points to be made though in relation to taking control of your body and resisting the creeping negative influence of narcotics/etc.

Taking control of your body means taking control of your body.

If that means "creeping" influences, so fucking be it!

[spartafc]

Taking control of your body means taking control of your body.

If that means "creeping" influences, so fucking be it!

Indeed. You're quite free to use any substances however destructive, addictive or otherwise. As I am free to question the logic and control involved in doing so. Which is what i'm doing now.


Are you suggesting that you have full control over body and part of this involves the use of "drugs, meat and/or promiscuous sex" mentioned at the very start of the thread?

[LSD]

As I am free to question the logic and control involved in doing so. Which is what i'm doing now.

Of course. You're free to question anything you want. My only objection comes in if you attempt to exert control over my body and what I do with it.

Other than that, I can honestly say I don't care what you "question"!


Are you suggesting that you have full control over body and part of this involves the use of "drugs, meat and/or promiscuous sex" mentioned at the very start of the thread?

If you want to, absolutely. It's entirely your choice.

Personally, I'm a big fan of all three.

[spartafc]

My only objection comes in if you attempt to exert control over my body and what I do with it.

aha, yus - this is why I was slightly confused. Am I trying to exert control over your body and what you do with it at the moment?


I can honestly say I don't care what you "question"!

mm this brings into question the reasons for you posting here - as this thread is about something i've been questioning.

[DarkAngel]

There might be benefits from restricting yourself from "dangerous" supstances and actions...But think about how rewarding they feel. Nobody ever talks about that...Yes ciggarets are soo bad for your health. Yes, they are. But nobody ever talks about how sometimes their the only thing to get you through a difficult time. Drinking is bad, yes. But sometimes doesnt it just feel nice? Isn't it just nice to go into a room with a few people, have a few shots. Then all of a sudden those people have twins, but you don't really care because the rooms spinning. Isn't weed bad, (I doubt it), but there are sceptics.. Yes, it might be bad. But think about how mellow it makes you. Think about being able to fly high into the clouds, from the conviences of your home or a back alley somewhere. If you ask me its all about control. Know when to, and when not too. And you'll be fine.

[Al Creed]

I have had bad experiences with straight edgers. ALOT of the one's I've met have come off as too preachy for my liking. I once saw one, wearing a shirt that said "I need drugs like I need a hole in my head" with a picture of Kurt Cobain adjacent. That's pretty cold.

I agree with you, RedZepplin, 100%, on Straight Edge.

[Organic Revolution]

Straight fucking edge! i am a sXe and i think that it is a benifit to your body.

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

Rise up, wernt you the one a few days ago that made a thread saying you wanted to kill yourself?, sXe musnt be that great for you mental health judging from that

[violencia.Proletariat]

if your straightedge fine but these kids today must make it a point to tell eveyone they are. and then you have the people who make straight edges gangs and at punk shows take beer bottles from people and smash them on the ground, shit like that. those people deserve no respect.

[burn_ladiesagainstfeminism]

cheers to that nate!!!

[Raisa]

I used to think sXe was people spelling Sex wrong.

Wanna have sxe? :o

[Ian]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 27 2005, 02:10 PM
Straight fucking edge!
Throwdown suck (the American one, not the Australian Throwdown)

[Xvall]

My edge is crooked and all fucked up. I'm always hopped up on goofballs.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Sounds like a puritan hippie religion, so fuck them.

[Omri Evron]

I don't exactly define myself as a straightedge, but I do believe in most of it pretty much. It just makes me disgusted to think of being enslaved and dependant on material substances for my mentality, mmod and feelings. To depend on these things to creaty false "feelings" and "moods", to escape the real world and my real life. Especially when it comes to addictive substances. If I'm not happy about my life, taking a pill that will make me feel high and allow me to escape reality for some time is no solution- I have to face my problems instead.

I won't try to enforce this on other people, but I do talk to my friends and try to encourage them not to use harmfull and addictive substances to evade their problems.
I feel this way about smoking, alcohol, illegal drugs and even legal drugs that create fake moods (unless they are given because of a special health problem). I don't think it's a problem that someone drinks a bit because s/he likes the taste of a certain drink, but I do have a problem if it's used as a tool to "escape the world".

Hope I helped.

[The Feral Underclass]

It's unhealthy and incredibly dull not to experiment with life.

I can see why people dont want to drink or do drugs, but sex? Why on earth would you want to abstain from something which is a) entirely healthy b) pleasurable c) a de-stresser d) fun e) a relationship builder and f) pleasurable!

The mind boggles!

[Pete]

I've recently been doing some thinking on a moral philosophy based upon the health of the body. I stopped drinking as much as I used to, I put a quater and my parafanalia into the closet and haven't looked at them since, and I've started running again after two years of only doing so sporatically.

What's the result? In general I feel better. The sky doesn't seem so dark and oppressive. If anything the sun seems to be smiting me when I go for my runs to the point where I'm shiny when I step back into the house. I'm having fun with this. Life does not require drugs to be enjoyable, though they can help, and its not some kind of whacked out religion either.

Whether or not its a cultural movement is a different question. Eating well is becoming popular, and hey why is that a bad thing? If nothing else a healthy population will be one willing to look out for itself and the downtrodden members of society. Hell, we'd spend less on healthcare if we weren't, in general, so damned obese.

Sex is its own question. As a man I respect once said "Sex without human emotions is incredibly lacking, no matter how good it is." Having sex with a close companion is one thing, but sleeping around could be dangerous to your health. Its also funny (at least in my opinion) to see kids all sexed up waiting in line to go into one of the dance bars, after first being patted down and then to compare that to the people sitting in a near by pub talking with their friends and not worrying about if their shirts aren't in line with some kind of standard.

Anyways, disregard everything I just said if you like, this is what works for me.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 27 2005, 08:57 AM
It's unhealthy and incredibly dull not to experiment with life.

I can see why people dont want to drink or do drugs, but sex? Why on earth would you want to abstain from something which is a) entirely healthy b) pleasurable c) a de-stresser d) fun e) a relationship builder and f) pleasurable!

The mind boggles!
its not about not having sex completly... just promiscus sex

[EneME]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 26 2005, 09:10 PM
Straight fucking edge!
This is exactly what annoys me of Straight Edgers...no offense rise up.

I can't stand how they must ANNOUNCE it to everyone, as if anyone cares. Why must it be like a cult following, instead of something you do for yourself? I have personal boycotts against: the new wipe/swiffer products, record distribution companies, and Nike....does that mean I have to go around telling everyone in their face? No, I don't care what others think of them, cause I do it for myself.

Again, people in general are annoying who do things for OTHERS or to be accepted by a GROUP, are completely misguided.

Also, being from the inner city on the west coast where there are no straight edgers....people who KNOW about it think its silly, but most have not even heard of it. It seems to be more of a suburban kid thing, cause they have nothing else better to do. When I was a teen growing up in the inner city, we were too busy with: poverty, gangs, teen mom's, drugs, and violence.

[Saint-Just]

I am not sure that straight edigism lasts for very long in most individuals. Whilst I support many of their aims do not think that abstaining from sex and the consumption of alcohol and cigarettes is the the best way of achieving their aims. I cannot quite understand why people of such a rather liberal group (punks) follow such ideas.

[praxis1966]

I hate to tell all you sXe people this, but the origins of your movement was with the band The Smiths and a relatively small liner note. Basically it just said to walk the straight edge and be healthy. Initially, it was only about doing drugs, smoking, or drinking to excess. In fact, they [Smiths] only meant not to overindulge, not abstinance from any of the aforementioned activities. You people have taken it ad absurdum. Case in point: There was never any mention about sex, promiscuous or otherwise. One of their album titles was 'Meat is Murder,' but one thing didn't really have anything to do with the other.

As far as the revolutionaries Sparta mentioned, the 'clean living' tenent is a pretty common thread. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull talked about getting off "the white man's firewater." The Black Panthers included a clause in their by-laws that said that no member of the Panther organization may be high or drunk while on official Party business. Sometimes it's about the image of the organization, sometimes culture, sometimes clean living. Ultimately, though, I think it's a matter of personal choice insofar as long as our spokespeople aren't fucked up on stage. Advocating one lifestyle choice above the other, however, is a bit of business I don't think we should be engaging in. It just makes us sound exclusionary and parochial.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by spartafc
What do you think of the practices of those who have consciously decided to abstain from the use of drugs, meat and/or promiscuous sex in an attempt to regain control of their bodies?

I think they are neo-puritanical morons!

And insofar as they make a public nuisance of themselves advocating that crap, counter-revolutionary.

"Left" Drug Wars (http://redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1116694321&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Fuck straight edgers. Neo-puritanical morons.

I can kill myself at any rate I wish!

[romanm]

There are real security reasons for being drug free. It isn't always about "Puritianism"' or whatever.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 03:28 PM
There are real security reasons for being drug free. It isn't always about "Puritianism"' or whatever.
Security issues my ass. Revolutionaries hold no secrets.

[Severian]

Originally posted by NoXion+Jun 28 2005, 11:54 AM--> (NoXion @ Jun 28 2005, 11:54 AM)
[email protected] 28 2005, 03:28 PM
There are real security reasons for being drug free. It isn't always about "Puritianism"' or whatever.
Security issues my ass. Revolutionaries hold no secrets. [/b]
Heh. If you're doing illegal drugs, it's usually considered a good idea to keep it secret.

[OleMarxco]

Only if you're livin' in a puritan-society hellbent on kickin' your ass if you don't :P

[romanm]

MIM has said in the past that Redstar is so far removed from communist practice that MIM has to draw out the implications of his arguments for him. MIM is right.

Nobody should be encouraging young activists that drug use is okay. That is totally irresponsible. This is the kind of shit that sabotages movements. Just shows you how far Redstar is from any practice.

The social democrat Redstar should consider his words when he speaks.

[LSD]

Nobody should be encouraging young activists that drug use is okay. That is totally irresponsible.

Why?


This is the kind of shit that sabotages movements.

No, the "shit" that sabotages movements is political organizations that don't understand what they're fighting for.

Drug wars, oppression, suppression, "PIGdom gulags", these are not communist. They're actualy vaguely fascist, not to mention insanely neo-puritanical.

But then I've come to expect no less from the MIM! :lol:


MIM has said in the past that Redstar is so far removed from communist practice that MIM has to draw out the implications of his arguments for him. MIM is right.

MIM speaks in the third person, does it?

[Saint-Just]

MIM speaks in the third person, does it?

They do that so they will not be misquoted or misunderstood.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Severian+Jun 28 2005, 06:33 PM--> (Severian @ Jun 28 2005, 06:33 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:54 AM

[email protected] 28 2005, 03:28 PM
There are real security reasons for being drug free. It isn't always about "Puritianism"' or whatever.
Security issues my ass. Revolutionaries hold no secrets.
Heh. If you're doing illegal drugs, it's usually considered a good idea to keep it secret. [/b]
You know what I meant. Don't be facetous.


MIM has said in the past that Redstar is so far removed from communist practice that MIM has to draw out the implications of his arguments for him. MIM is right.

What implications are these, pray?


Nobody should be encouraging young activists that drug use is okay. That is totally irresponsible. This is the kind of shit that sabotages movements. Just shows you how far Redstar is from any practice.

Proof?


The social democrat Redstar should consider his words when he speaks.

If Redstar2000 is a social democrat then I'm the King of Albion. No way is Redstar a social democrat.

[Eastside Revolt]

Explain to me what the problem is with promiscuous sex?

What on earth does sex have to do with breaking down the power structure?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Anyone up for a "non-breathing" movement? THAT WAY WE WILL REGAIN CONTROL OF OUR BODIES FROM EVIL AIR!!!

[praxis1966]

Once again, Roman, the only real revolutionary ever. Don't you guys just love how everyone who disagrees with him is a social democrat or a reactionary?

[Xvall]

Explain to me what the problem is with promiscuous sex?

Unprotected promiscuous sex upsets me because it involved the creation of more human beings into our already overpopulated planet. As long as babies aren't being produced, I don't have a problem with it.

I think that I would take action to sterilize the entire human race if it were in my power to do so.

[spartafc]

Anyone up for a "non-breathing" movement? THAT WAY WE WILL REGAIN CONTROL OF OUR BODIES FROM EVIL AIR!!!

you first.
I'll do it afterwards, I promise.

:P

[crappitydoodah]

so is this the conclusion:
do whatever the fuck you want, just leave me alone!!!

it's funny we get angry at others for imposing there views on us, but is this simply the same thing...imposing our view of isolation onto what we wish not to hear...just leave us alone...were does the individual meet society...is there any responsiblity for society from the individual...or is it simply a fuck you and a fuck off??

or are we simply bitter and angry without a moment for another....wishing for there approvel for if we didn't care one way it wouldn't matter to us if they were to condemn us...even to our face...

as venegiam put it...is all we have in common is the fear of being alone...is that why were on here, is that why we complain about anothers inference with our common practice...for if we were not afraid of isolation we wouldn't complain, simply walk off into the distance without a word or care...

or do we care, is there a responsiblity, is there a connection between me and you...us and them...is division merely distruction?? (so many questions I know)

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:49 PM
MIM has said in the past that Redstar is so far removed from communist practice that MIM has to draw out the implications of his arguments for him. MIM is right.

Nobody should be encouraging young activists that drug use is okay. That is totally irresponsible. This is the kind of shit that sabotages movements. Just shows you how far Redstar is from any practice.

The social democrat Redstar should consider his words when he speaks.
Odd. I don't recall MIM ever being able to draw out anything but imaginary numbers from its collective ass.

In any event, romanm assumes that my neutral stance on people's personal pleasures is the equivalent of "encouraging young activists" to use drugs.

Here's a late news flash: people don't need my encouragement! :lol:

Nor do they need or even like a gaggle of neo-puritanical clowns telling them to be "straight-edged"...not even in the "name" of the revolution.

Politics, especially revolutionary politics, is not for you, romanm.

I think you should join a monastery...a traditional one where mortification of the flesh is still practiced.

You'll feel better about yourself. :D

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[Severian]

Originally posted by NoXion+Jun 28 2005, 02:08 PM--> (NoXion @ Jun 28 2005, 02:08 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:54 AM

[email protected] 28 2005, 03:28 PM
There are real security reasons for being drug free. It isn't always about "Puritianism"' or whatever.
Security issues my ass. Revolutionaries hold no secrets.
Heh. If you're doing illegal drugs, it's usually considered a good idea to keep it secret.
You know what I meant. Don't be facetous.
[/b]
Actually, no, I don't know what you meant.

But for once I actually do understand Romanm: if you're serious about fighting the state, you might want to consider avoiding things that give the state an extra means to bust you. Drug charges are also a handy way to pressure people into turning informant.

Straight edge is wacky stuff though. Some punk band did a parody of it once:

1. Be straight
2. Don't be late
3. Bench your weight
4. Don't masturbate.

The four commandments I guess.

[SupportTheALF]

Depends on the person. Ive been threatened by a straight edge kid for drinking beer, IN A PUB. Thats just bullshit.

If it's for their own personal gain though, and not to be 'scene', more power to them.

[romanm]

And the fignorant social democrat redstar repeats his mantra "numbers are dumb"..

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 04:33 AM
if your straightedge fine but these kids today must make it a point to tell eveyone they are. and then you have the people who make straight edges gangs and at punk shows take beer bottles from people and smash them on the ground, shit like that. those people deserve no respect.
I'd hate to be that dumb fuck, that snatches a beer bottle, from some crazy mother fucker, who just got out of a moshpit...


....yet, I'd pay to watch it... :lol:

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 09:49 PM
And the fignorant social democrat redstar repeats his mantra "numbers are dumb"..
...but romanm is dumber.

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[Guerrilla22]

No tv and no beer make Homer go crazy.

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:51 PM
No tv and no beer make Homer go something something
correction

[4514]

im straight edge and very proud to be.sXe isnt just about sobriety its about being positive in your words and actions, so any sXe who gives you shit about drinking or smokin etc isn't really staying true to sXe lifestyle (i hate puting it like that).
i think since ive been on this board ive only ever mentioned it once that i was sXe and it wasnt to preach, it was in relation ta drinking carb-sodas (which i dont).
i dont go about making any point that im sXe really, some days are where my X's on my hands but most people don't know what it means anyways.
i havn't got anything against anyone who drinks,smokes,uses drugs or sleeps around, that is your on choice but dont say it doesnt affect me or anyone else cuz it does. when you buy drugs, your money is supporting drug dealers and the criminal gangs that run and supply the majority of drugs. gangs which are murdering,raping,robbing and spreading fear through our communties.
the cia used and still use drugs to destroy the BPP and african american communties. the U.S use the Drug war as an excuse to supply weapons and money to right wing govts e.g colombia, afgansitan
alcohol is a main factor in nearly all domestic violence. sexual violence, violence,
road deaths and accidents.
smoking, do i even have to explains this?
and as for the premisous sex?
it isnt about not having sex or only having one sex partner, its not about denying yourself the pleasure of sex. sex is the best i dont think you can find a better feeling, unlesss your sticking a needle of h in your arm which i dont recommend.
not having premiscous sex is just about being responsiable about your sex life.
anyways if sXe or not, just enjoy life!
4514
rank and file

[LSD]

havn't got anything against anyone who drinks,smokes,uses drugs or sleeps around, that is your on choice but dont say it doesnt affect me or anyone else cuz it does. when you buy drugs, your money is supporting drug dealers and the criminal gangs that run and supply the majority of drugs. gangs which are murdering,raping,robbing and spreading fear through our communties.

The solution to that is not to stop using drugs but to decriminalize them.

The only reason that drugs are tied up with gangs and criminals is because they are illegal. Just look at alchohol in the thirties.


i havn't got anything against anyone who drinks,smokes,uses drugs or sleeps around, that is your on choice but dont say it doesnt affect me or anyone else cuz it does

it isnt about not having sex or only having one sex partner, its not about denying yourself the pleasure of sex. sex is the best i dont think you can find a better feeling, unlesss your sticking a needle of h in your arm which i dont recommend.


I'm confused.

How does me being promiscuous "affect you"?


not having premiscous sex is just about being responsiable about your sex life.

No it's about "not having promiscuous sex".

Responsible sex is called using protection.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I'm as straight as the line that you snort up your nose,
I'm as hard as the booze that you swill down your throat,
I'm as bad as the shit you breathe into your lungs,
And I'll fuck you up as fast as that pill [dun-dun-dun] on your tongue!

STRAIGHT EDGE REVENGE!
STRAIGHT EDGE REVENGE!
THIS TIME YOU'VE PUSHED ME TOO FAR!!!

-Straight Edge Revenge, Project X

Don't worry kids, they were a joke band. A really hillarious joke band feat. members of Youth Of Today, no less.

I abstained from drugs and alcohol for about four years (though, for most of that time, I avoided the label straight edge, because the scene is a bunch of ****s), and I think it was a good choice.

Now? Gimme my crutch. :P

[Pawn Power]

No tv and no beer make Homer go crazy.

dont mind if i dooo :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

[Xvall]

when you buy drugs, your money is supporting drug dealers and the criminal gangs that run and supply the majority of drugs. gangs which are murdering,raping,robbing and spreading fear through our communties.

That's because they're illegal. If they were legal, or at least decriminalized, these criminal organizations would no longer be capable of making a profit off of these regulated substances.


the cia used and still use drugs to destroy the BPP and african american communties. the U.S use the Drug war as an excuse to supply weapons and money to right wing govts e.g colombia, afgansitan
alcohol is a main factor in nearly all domestic violence. sexual violence, violence,
road deaths and accidents.

A "Drug War" can't exist if these drugs aren't illegal.


smoking, do i even have to explains this?

Apparently you do. Tell me how my joint is helping prop up the man.

[Ifoughtthelawandiwon]

Fuck all that puritan shit, do what you want to do to make you happy. If it makes you happy not having sex then do it but im sure the majority of us would see nothing wrong in a good shag now and agen, would ya lads? You shouldnt impose personal things like prohibition of personal luxuries on people. Let them make themselves happy, only they know how, so give them the freedom to choose wether to screw with thier bodies or whatever. Only if it severely afffects other people should you intervene, like for example heroin addiction. But what good is going to come from not eating meat?? you wont be getting as much fat or protein or essential minerals that meat provides if you abstain from it, some things are done by people purely to make them feel rightous and so beeter than other people, therefore they are trying to control other people and use them, essentially a capitalist trait. Please let me know what you think. END DRUG PROHIBITION NOW!

[Xvall]

Straight up, chief.

[Exploited Class]

Straight Edge is about the most retarded thing I have ever seen come about, including the name and especially the ESPN eXtreme Sport acronym sXe!!! Extreeeeeeem Edge!!!

Seriously, withholding worldly delights of self-pleasure isn't something new, it has been around for some time, it was just always called Catholicism before. Now it is just hardcore, "If you drink you are a pussy, be hardcore and go without that is the bundgy cord extreme hard ass persona!" Yeah you know what is hardcore, get hooked on Meth and then get off of it, that is tough! No, go harder, mix and combine, get hooked on Meth and Heroine, get off of them and then you know Taking Control of your body!

Avoiding possible problems is about the weakest thing I have ever seen. Doing extremely fun things in moderation is the hardcore act. It is like avoiding relationships because some people have relationship issues that result in battery.

Not into doing certain things, fine whatever, but giving it an extremely silly name which only leads to stupid "I am more extreme hardcore than you" crap is dumb. They use to have a good name for straight edge before it repackaged itself and used a catchy marketting scheme name, boring people.

Now to just repackage moderation and self-control while enjoying the pleasures of this life, what to call it, "eXtreme ModerAtion!!!" "Hardcore Capable!", "Moderate EDGE!", "Happy without Complications!!!", "Heavy Self-Control!" "Hooked On Reasonable Amounts"

And to make some bullshit argument how it helps the movement. Anything, Anything can have the argument that it helps the movement. Getting a decent job and buying a lot of things helps the ruling class gap and the working class gap widen, making the difference in inequality more apparent to all.

Or Getting busted and sent to jail gives me close quarters and a captive audience to help get our ideals across, it worked for Malcom X.

[Anarchist Freedom]

As a drug user myself. Most of the reason that drugs are so looked down on is due to mis information. Why do we have this mis information? Because Of people who preach drugs are evil and ruin your lives. If everyone in the world had half a fucking brain they would realize that making drugs illegal is like trying to fight an ocean with kicks and punchs. It will make ripples and changes but it will still be there.

[Edelweiss]

And not a single good band has come from this scene.

Not true IMO, Minor Threat for example is a great band. Straight Edge still sucks though.

[4514]

Seriously, withholding worldly delights of self-pleasure isn't something new, it has been around for some time, it was just always called Catholicism before. Now it is just hardcore, "If you drink you are a pussy, be hardcore and go without that is the bundgy cord extreme hard ass persona!" Yeah you know what is hardcore, get hooked on Meth and then get off of it, that is tough! No, go harder, mix and combine, get hooked on Meth and Heroine, get off of them and then you know Taking Control of your body!

heres my drug list starting from the first time started doing drugs at 13,
mari-j, speed, ectsasy, speacil K, mushrooms, uppers/downers, a huge range of trips, cocaine, meth.
i first got legless with alcz when i was around 9, started drinking every weekend when i was 13, then when i was around 16 i was drinking nearly every day.
am i hXc enough for ya?



do what you want to do to make you happy

i couldn't agree with you more, don't judge me or others who claim sXe because you can't be bothered finding out what sXe is truly about, you make your opinion by taking other ignorant people mis-conceptions and judge us by the minority few dickheads who claim edge. there are fuck-heads in all movements, including the left, i agree with the people here who dis-like sXe individuals who try and force their views or bully people who arent sXe that isnt what sXe is about.


That's because they're illegal. If they were legal, or at least decriminalized, these criminal organizations would no longer be capable of making a profit off of these regulated substances.

what? so if drugs became legal they would be free would they? no, criminals would just become businesmen and have to start paying tax ot the goverment, and places like fucking mcdonalds would jump on it, and you would now be a coperate sponsor snorting your Mcspeedy lines!
"would you like that upsized sir?"


A "Drug War" can't exist if these drugs aren't illegal.

what the fuck are you on? downers? sounds like downers cuz your brain is spewing mush.
Oil is legal, but theres a oil war going on right now, people dying right now for the price of oil. the drug industry is a billion dollar industry, you think the cappies wont wanna a pieceof it if they could trade and sell it?





I'm confused.

How does me being promiscuous "affect you"?

hehehe :D yea you got me there, i should of seperated that part out,
not having promiscuos sex is the most personal part of being sXe, sex to me is very personal, i dont sleep around because i hate sex, i fucking love it.i love woman, they look good, smell good, taste good but sex for me is about my physical expression of my emotions in how much i care and/or love someone , and im not gonna share that with some random girl ive just met or have sex with a girl who just a friend becuz im horny and wanna get off.


Responsible sex is called using protection.
if you think thats all responible sex is about im guessing your've never had it so save your comments.

anyways in the words of ac/dc
"have a drink on me"
its your choice , its just not mine.
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[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 02:08 PM

A "Drug War" can't exist if these drugs aren't illegal.

what the fuck are you on? downers? sounds like downers cuz your brain is spewing mush.
Oil is legal, but theres a oil war going on right now, people dying right now for the price of oil.
???

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 04:10 AM
Not true IMO, Minor Threat for example is a great band.
I don't agree, too preachy and musically monotonous. And it came out of the remnants of a truly great band, Rites of Spring.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Wikipedia+--> (Wikipedia)Straight edge, also known as SXE, is a mostly youth-oriented lifestyle and (counter cultural) subculture, closely associated with punk or hardcore punk music in the United States, which advocates abstinence in relation to recreational drug use (especially psychoactive and stimulant drug use), and in relation to promiscuous sexual behaviour.

Although straight-edgers do not necessarily identify with a particular worldview on social or political issues, many do subscribe to precepts associated with vegetarianism, veganism, environmentalism and the ecology movement.

The relationship between straight-edge and punk (and hardcore) music is such that a small minority of adherents hold that straight-edge cannot exist separately from the music scene...

Straight-edge can be viewed as a counter culture lifestyle option, or as a long term commitment to abstinence from illicit substances and observation of the precepts outlined above.

There are various reasons why people choose to be straight-edge. Often the life-style is used as a 'stepping stone' to allow one to be more positively involved with one's own mental and physical health. Some straight-edgers do not use caffeine, or they choose to be vegetarian or vegan. Straight-edgers also have reservations about medication (particularly psychoactive medications), which they generally eschew. In its early days, straight edge tended to involve some abstinence from (particularly casual) sex, an ethos some still maintain today.

Many people who are straight-edge became attracted to it as a counter-culture option of not participating in the often times dominant drug culture which is prevalent in many youth's lives. The continuing appeal of straight edge has broaden beyond the initial scope of just punk culture, and now appeals to youth of all subcultures eschewing casual drug use.

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I do not see this view as inherently bad, however I do see it as creating precedents that may well be detrimental to an open, free-thinking, and well-thought out society.

What I mean is, as though sXe does allude to some basic system of being careful with some things that you "experiment" with, they do so in a manner that is through denial, rather than educated choice. In other words, asceticism relates to a strict dogmatism - not a conscious exploration of one's choices.

This is by no means universal, as what it means to be sXe differs in accordance to an individual's own interpretation, but to critique a concept, variables such as that are to be treated as such. In other words, you are to critique the theory, not neccessarily the practice.

So I would say that sXe does infact have some basic benefits in influencing careful choice, but as a sort of system of virtue, I would say it is much more like a religion of self-denial.

Indeed, some of the things that sXe prevades as being "bad" (lack of a better word), I see as having liberating and surreal elements and affects. Just think about the way inwhich one's own mind filters and denies certain thoughts within one's own mind. The releasing of these through non-human means, though at first may seem "bad", in the long run may well be quite beneficial in helping one deal with the issues most prevalent to oneself.

Nevertheless, I still like some sXe bands. I like Strife and Earth Crisis. :)


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Oil is legal, but theres a oil war going on right now, people dying right now for the price of oil.

Legality is irrelevant. A "war" can only exist if there are tangible enemies. The so-called "Oil War" is a war between nations (and corporations) over resources, and the "War on Terrorism" and "War on Drugs" is a war on a concept. The former is a war, whereas the latter two are not.

[TC]

If people don't want to have any fun, they should do it without trying to make everyone else feel inferior and guilty. If they want to do that they may as well join a fundie church.

[Parkbench]

the problem with demonizing drugs is that you have no idea what youre talking about. the fact that drug is a pejorative word in today's society is the result of misinformation and propaganda.

www.erowid.org !

straight edge, like any institution or doctrine, promotes objective, unthinking, conservative morals.

life is about indulgence. if you think youre on a moral high gruond because youre so indignant that you can not even understand the fun AND the plight of drug users (and addicts), you need to try harder to be a human being.

[C_Rasmussen]

I'm straight edge except for drinking. I really don't fuckin care what you guys do just have fun doing whatever it may be.

[4514]

Cthenthar Posted on Jul 2 2005, 08:07 AM

QUOTE (4514)
Oil is legal, but theres a oil war going on right now, people dying right now for the price of oil.



Legality is irrelevant. A "war" can only exist if there are tangible enemies. The so-called "Oil War" is a war between nations (and corporations) over resources, and the "War on Terrorism" and "War on Drugs" is a war on a concept. The former is a war, whereas the latter two are not.

legality? irrelavant mmmmmm maybe? but its a very fine line that im sure could be forever debated so i'll leave it at that. The "war on drugs"is a war on concept? i disagree, e.g In colombia some fight for the left others for the right, and then some are at war for the control of a very valuable resource, coca crops. there is a resource to be fought over and if drugs like cocaine an heroin were legal, goverments, nations and corporations would go to war to fight for the control of them.

oh yea did you make it to perth?

Parkbench Posted on Jul 2 2005, 11:11 AM

the problem with demonizing drugs is that you have no idea what youre talking about. the fact that drug is a pejorative word in today's society is the result of misinformation and propaganda.



as i was a heavy drug user for over 10 years um .........yea i do know what im talking about, i dont regret taking drugs, i do have alot of regrets from things iv done while on drugs though. drug taking does have alot of down sides to it espeacially after 10 yrs, espeacially on your health.
alot of violence comes from people under the influence of drugs, more so when its coke, speed or meth. i pushd one of my best mates through a window and tryd to drop him off a third story ledge cuz he changed the c.d, 5 mins later we were setting up a tent together in my bathroom and thought we were camping. (coke,x,and k)
I have too many friends who have been raped or sexually assualted by men under the influence. ive been involved in gang brawls,pub fights, just fucken disgusting acts of violence that have scarred me mentally and physically, 90% all of which were the result of too much piss, too much drugs. :o fuck im starting to preach now but this isn't my intention,

all im saying is drugs can be fun and i have lots of great memories but dont ever believe that drugs offer only good times and have no down side to taking them, cuz not even the thousand good times i had while i was high can make up for the one night i drank just alittle too much, the night i took a little too much and pushed it to far.

we each have our own paths to choose none them right or wrong, just our own personal choice.
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[Clarksist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 08:08 AM
If people don't want to have any fun, they should do it without trying to make everyone else feel inferior and guilty. If they want to do that they may as well join a fundie church.
That is most durggies problem with Straight Edgers. They seem to feel so much better than us "lower" life forms who enjoy our lives.

[che-Rabbi]

There is much truth in that, straight edgers do make people who... smoke + drink + have sex= enjoy themselves, people who enjoy themselves, feel like shit. Im not trying to attack the whole idea but I have a question, it seems to be more of a right wing theory, not that leftist are druggies and perverts but it sounds like something that a priest would ask you to do? Im not suggesting its a big plot of the religious right but its a strange way to live but not a bad one.

[TheKingOfMercy]

If straight-edge types preach at me, they begin to annoy me, like the christian nutters that perpetuate my town centre. They're fine to be around, even if they like shite music, as long as they don't preach when I break out the cases of ale.

I do agree with them about making drug users/dedalers feel like pondlife though, the world needs hard drugs like it needs a nuclear war.

[LSD]

I do agree with them about making drug users/dedalers feel like pondlife though

In heaven's name why?

Why should someone be harrased / chastised / condemned / insulted / denigrated / "made to deel like pondlife" for choosing to ingest something into their own body?

Don't you have any respect for basic human privacy?


the world needs hard drugs like it needs a nuclear war.

It's not about what the "world needs", it's about what individuals want for themselves.

The "world" is drug neutral.

[TheKingOfMercy]

Okay then, society needs hard drugs like it needs a nuclear war.

And if the individual wants to kill themselves with drugs, causing harm to others and the state, why not jump off a bridge, its quicker with less lasting effects.

I have plenty of respect for human privacy, but I also care about my fellow man, so why should I accept that he wants to fuck himself up on drugs ? Taking away the drugs only hurts their pride, and the dealers, which aint no big deal really.

[LSD]

And if the individual wants to kill themselves with drugs

Suicide is a seperate discussion.

We're talking about drug use. Try to keep up.


I have plenty of respect for human privacy, but I also care about my fellow man, so why should I accept that he wants to fuck himself up on drugs ?

Because, obstensibly, you have "plenty of respect for human privacy"!

Why don't you take away everything that is potentially dangerous?

Cigarettes an alchohol come immediately to mind...but how about "dangerous" foods?

How about extreme sports? Should people be stopped from skydiving because there's a decent chance of injury?

Maybe we should set up a commission to ensure that no one hurts themselves ...for their own good of course.

Or how about we act like human beings and respect that every individual has the right to make decisions about their own body. Any risk that they assume is their's to assume.

Education, of course, is a good idea, but prohibition and "criminalization" is not!


Taking away the drugs only hurts their pride

It also infringes on their basic human rights.

[dietrite]

heres my drug list starting from the first time started doing drugs at 13,
mari-j, speed, ectsasy, speacil K, mushrooms, uppers/downers, a huge range of trips, cocaine, meth.
i first got legless with alcz when i was around 9, started drinking every weekend when i was 13, then when i was around 16 i was drinking nearly every day.
am i hXc enough for ya?

Damn dude.

[rise_up]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 07:40 AM
[QUOTE]
i first got legless with alcz when i was around 9, started drinking every weekend when i was 13, then when i was around 16 i was drinking nearly every day.
QUOTE]


welcome to my world.problem is i'm only 16 at the moment.

and i think people should do what they like,when they like.

note- saturday me and my mates smoked weed from a macdonalds drinks cup (outside the place) that'll show'em.

[4514]

rise_up Posted on Jul 11 2005, 09:14 AM

welcome to my world.problem is i'm only 16 at the moment.

trust me bro there's lots of people in the same situation of binge drinking and drug abuse.

and i think people should do what they like,when they like.

note- saturday me and my mates smoked weed from a macdonalds drinks cup (outside the place) that'll show'em.

ive never said people shouldn't do what they want bro, we all have our own choices to make , im just sharing my opinion like you.
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