A Nihilist.........

[Moral_Imbalance]

Well i wouldnt consider my self left or Right.........
I am a Nihilist. for those of you who dont know what Nihlilism is ill give u a very shitty discription straight from websters.........
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Nihilist

n 1: someone who rejects all theories of morality or religious belief 2: an advocate of anarchism

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In any case im curious as to how the radical left is doing and will be inputing my ideas every now and then.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Hi. That's all.

[Organic Revolution]

umm... a nihlist- an advocate of anarchism,... well you just dont know what yourtalking about

[Moral_Imbalance]

We are not so diffrent us Nihilists and Anarchists.............i myself use to be an Anarchist
We strive for the removal of goverment,of authority...........
We strive for freedom..........
What makes us diffrent is Our Moral standings......
Most anarchists believe in the inate good of mandkind
Nihilist do not acknowledge this........
for we do not view either good or evil only actions and reactions.........
We have broken the moral structure down to what it truly is........ relative oppinions.....
do u understand what Nihlism is............the discription ive given is not very explanitory
Were are as well understood as most other radicals.........
The common man dosent look far enough into our theorys and idea-sets.........

[apathy maybe]

I would not be using dictionaries to give descriptions of political words. That description (an advocate of anarchism) is just wrong.

They are two different things. Yes you can be both. But you can also be an anarchist without being a nihillist (e.g. myself).

Greetings anyway.

[Enragé]

anarchism advocates pure horizontal un-hierarchic organization

nihilism advocates....what?...nothingness?

[Moral_Imbalance]

Nihilism advocates the end of morals, philosophy, god, Goverment, love, money, Authority in all forms...........

We strive for 100% un-dilluted Freedom..........

[Enragé]

thats what i said, nothingness

end of all morals? what should we all act like animals? Morals is what sets us apart from the capitalists, whose only moral is greed,

end of philosophy?
"When reason sleeps, monsters awaken"

end of love?
you fucking idiot, love is what im fighting for

[Moral_Imbalance]

one day..........when youve lost everything u love and believe in youll understand Nihilism......... you'll understand that what we are about........

for more info read the post on Political Nihilism in the theory section

[Enragé]

ahh so you are a traumatised dude then, well, get help

[Moral_Imbalance]

who said i was traumatized?
i just realize that love is a useless emotion........
yes ive had my share of fuckovers.....but who hasnt....
i just see diffrently..........

[Donnie]

I've never really met a Nihilist before, although I've read about the philosophy.

Nihilism is just a pesamistic world view isn't it?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 08:52 AM
Nihilism advocates the end of morals, philosophy, god, Goverment, love, money, Authority in all forms...........

We strive for 100% un-dilluted Freedom..........
free from love... great life... and your that quote is straight from "the anarchist cookbook" movie.. but if your a nihillist you cant watch movies... there just evil and stop your freedom" nihillism is a childs idea for kids who dont think about things as much.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 11:16 AM
one day..........when youve lost everything u love and believe in youll understand Nihilism......... you'll understand that what we are about........

for more info read the post on Political Nihilism in the theory section
why would you abondon love... when the shit goes down all around you.. all you got is your freinds.. and i love my freinds.

[Moral_Imbalance]

free from love... great life... and your that quote is straight from "the anarchist cookbook" movie.. but if your a nihillist you cant watch movies... there just evil and stop your freedom" nihillism is a childs idea for kids who dont think about things as much.

Ive Never seen it...........
Is it worth a view?
Who says we cant watch movies?
Do u know anything about Nihilism?


why would you abondon love... when the shit goes down all around you.. all you got is your freinds.. and i love my freinds.

Shit has already gone down around me........and u know what i was left with?
Myself..........
Your Friends seem like they'll be by your side.........
And some may.......
but most care only for themselves..........

We are all narcisistic.....in one way or another.........

In any case love isnt needed.......its a nice perc but u can live with out it and most of it only ends in pain..........

Why bother constantly puting yourself through that?

[Organic Revolution]

because thats what life is. you have to dealwith hardships. you are taking the easy way out with nihillism.

[Organic Revolution]

and no... dont watch that shitty movie.

[Enragé]

love is the essence of life, if you cant love, you're better off dead

what else is there of true value besides love?

[Moral_Imbalance]

How About Freedom?
THough love is trivial even for Nihilists there are some of us who Agree with love....


love is the essence of life, if you cant love, you're better off dead

Please define love for me Because im having a hard time finding love as the essence of life..........

I dont see a Final purpose or reason for our lives, we are here whe do what we choose...


because thats what life is. you have to dealwith hardships. you are taking the easy way out with nihillism.

Im taking the ease way out?
how so?
By denying a painful concept?
What purpose is there in putting yourself through pain if it can be avoid or destroyed?
Love is a comodity.............
We dont need it to survive............

[Enragé]

love is understanding, tolerance, sympathy, compassion all the good in the world.

Without love there can be no freedom because without love one would simply oppress someone else because one person wants to be as free as possible; and who is more free than the most powerful dictator? after all he can do what he wants.

[Moral_Imbalance]

Thats an odd discription.........

In any case i agree with Understanding Tolerance and Compassion(within reason)
But im Not so sure about the sympathy thing..........


Without love there can be no freedom because without love one would simply oppress someone else because one person wants to be as free as possible; and who is more free than the most powerful dictator? after all he can do what he wants.

The one who dosent need others to live freely........
A dictators need minions to carry out his want needs and demands..........

[Enragé]

there is no tolerance and compassion without love, without emotion, without morals

[Moral_Imbalance]

there is no tolerance and compassion without love, without emotion, without morals
How can u conclude that..........have u lived it?

u can tolerate things with out love...........
im tolerating you arent I?

And i have compassion.........
compassion for change....... compassion for music.......compassion For revolution.....

And who said i dont have emotions?

I only deny the unneeded ones........
Morals plays no part tolerance or compassion......
it may if u make it but is an unneeded variable.

[Enragé]

love is not only the love between a man and a woman or a man and man or woman-woman, love is simply that what you have for everything you hold dear.

so you love change, love music, love revolution

[Moral_Imbalance]

I see your point and as i have said in the pm i sent to you "we deny love for relationships for that kind of strong liking in any other form would be considered Obsession........

i have strong likings but i turn away from obsession it clouds judgment and reason....

[OleMarxco]

I harbor great respect for nihilists, not because they are "followers of the cool and radical philosophy, Nihilism!" but because they seem to have admitted the truth, if not accepted it but also embraced it, as reality. I would've been a nihilist if I hadn't somehow gotten myself to care more for my surroundings and been a Communist ;)

[Moral_Imbalance]

Well if you change ur mind about it feel free to Pm me ill bring you into Nhilism.

[workersunity]

wow, how boring, but enjoy the forums anyway

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 12:44 PM
Well if you change ur mind about it feel free to Pm me ill bring you into Nhilism.
at least you were better than the fascist nihillist.

[Noah]

Why nihilism (Sorry if it's spelt incorrectly) by what I understand so far, it's core is to not give a crap about anything or anyone.

Nihilism seems to me to be a coward's solution, for problems life throws at them. When there's a will there's a way and in Nihilism there is no will for nothing, totally not my thing and this is boring too, I wouldnt see the point in life if I didnt have any aims!

This seems to remind me some of the bums Im surrounded by in highschool retarded fools who dont give a crap about no-one and nothing it disgusts me.

Noah.

[Moral_Imbalance]

at least you were better than the fascist nihillist.

theres another Nihilist on here?


why nihilism (Sorry if it's spelt incorrectly) by what I understand so far, it's core is to not give a crap about anything or anyone.

Nihilism seems to me to be a coward's solution, for problems life throws at them. When there's a will there's a way and in Nihilism there is no will for nothing, totally not my thing and this is boring too, I wouldnt see the point in life if I didnt have any aims!

This seems to remind me some of the bums Im surrounded by in highschool retarded fools who dont give a crap about no-one and nothing it disgusts me.

Plz full understand a subject before u argue it....

[Noah]

Correct me instead, we all go on this forum to learn. Educate me.

[Moral_Imbalance]

THE NIHILISM MANIFESTO

Why Nihilism?

Nihilism is considered evil, extreme, something so bad that many refuse to use the word to describe themselves even when the label would be apt. Others use the term to try and silence enemies.

Yet I consider myself a Nihilist and I’m not crazy or attention seeking, I’m just trying to label my feelings and ideas as accurately as possible. I look around and I don’t see any belief set or political stripe that I can believe in, not even one I could feign allegiance to! This world offers me nothing to hope in, a society where cowards and failures are defined as heroes and role models, where war is called peace and death is called life. I hate what I see, and despise those responsible for it all. Immigrants to America have been told the streets are paved in gold but all I see are potholes and weeds growing in the ever-expanding cracks. We’re given shit and told we can build skyscrapers with it. I’m sick of lies and fantasies and all the reeking fumes that support our pseudo-pop-culture and vapid values. How does it make you feel?

So many problems and issues have become so complicated and convoluted yet we are socially compelled to keep trying, to keep banging our heads against brick walls and each other to find a peaceful, happy solution; why? Who says I have to buy into this? Who says I have to buy into religion and a mainstream belief sets? Why am I being compelled to die for my country right or wrong? Why is our society placing so much effort into stopping drug abuse and suicide even as the rates of both continue to climb?

Maybe instead of treating the symptoms we should target the source – the utter lack of substance behind contemporary values. People kill themselves because they are driven by lies, people drug themselves to escape a living hell and find a dying peace. Fuck it; why not just blow it all to hell and at least have hope of starting over?

The typical answer in democracy is to just increase inclusiveness. By this reasoning the more people participate the more they will be happy with the outcome. Ha! What does it really generate? More talk, less action, more conflict and less results. Solutions never come from endless dialogue they come from movement and change.

It’s delusional to think that every situation has a solution achievable through construction, that every wound can be healed with a bandage. It’s that stereotypical cockeyed American optimism which deems every problem rectifiable through a smile and a nod. Destruction is often desirable, nay the optimal solution, yet in our ambient culture it is always addressed as the last option, why?

Nietzsche once wrote, "All good things were formerly bad things.” Maybe we should rethink guns, drugs and disease. I think I like every force humanity can’t conquer, every force that destroys to live and forces the living to fight or die and thus creates a reason for life.

Now is the time to revaluate everything; now is the time for Nihilism.

Nihilism Defined

Nihilism is a view composed of skepticism coupled with reduction. 'Political' Nihilism is active, not passive, and dictionary-defined as the realization "that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility." In his 1861 novel Fathers And Sons, author Ivan Turgenev accurately defined this worldview, "A nihilist is a person who does not bow down to any authority, who does not accept any principle on faith, however much that principle may be revered."

A common (but misleading) description of nihilism is a 'belief in nothing'. Instead, a far more useful one would substitute 'faith' for 'belief' where faith is defined as the "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." A universal definition of nihilism could then well be the rejection of that which requires faith for salvation or actualization and would span to include anything from theology to secular ideology. Within nihilism faith and similar values are discarded because they've no absolute, objective substance, they are invalid serving only as yet another exploitable lie never producing any strategically beneficial outcome. Faith is an imperative hazard to group and individual because it compels suspension of reason, critical analysis and common sense. Nietzsche once said that faith means not wanting to know. Faith is "don't let those pesky facts get in the way of our political plan or our mystically ordained path to heaven"; faith is "do what I tell you because I said so". All things that can't be disproved need faith, utopia needs faith, idealism needs faith, spiritual salvation needs faith; reject faith.

The second element nihilism rejects is the belief in final purpose, that the universe is built upon non-random events and that everything is structured towards an eventual conclusive revelation. This is called teleology and it's the fatal flaw plaguing the whole rainbow of false solutions from Marxism to Buddhism and everything in between. Teleology compels obedience towards the fulfillment of "destiny" or "progress" or similar such grandiose goals. Teleology is used by despots and utopian dreamers alike as a coercive motivation leading only to yet another apocryphal apocalypse; the real way to lead humanity by the nose - tell them it's all part of the big plan so play along or else! It may even seem reasonable but there is not now and never has been any evidence the universe operates in a teleological way - there is no final purpose. This is the simple beauty nihilism has that no other idea-set does. By breaking free from the tethers of teleology one is empowered in outlook and outcome because for the first time it's possible to find answers without proceeding from pre-existing perceptions. We're finally free to find out what's really out there and not just the partial evidence to support original pretext and faulty notions only making a hell on earth in the process; reject teleology.

Active or Passive?

The randomness of nature is a powerful asset because it negates the credibility of teleology, that purposeful predestination that undermines freewill. So one actually has the option to passively accept the socio-historically established concoction of false absolutes, 'truth' and moral laws which can be nothing but myth. Or they can accept real for what it is and assume the more healthy role of active participant constantly defining existence through perception and intelligence. In this way defining existence is predicated upon life, conscious awareness of sensory input combined with critical interpretation of what that input means. And the more highly developed the conscious or the greater the intelligence the more effective and meaningful is existence.

Passivity is a myth. We are all intricately enmeshed within a dynamic system that doesn't just demand but compels active decision making.

Direction

Often what appears to be the 'extreme' message is actually just tomorrow's story today. One can ignore it and panic when it does arrive or learn from it and be ahead of your time prescient, prepared and devoid of fear or panic. We live in a dynamic era where traditional values have been warped by authorities to serve unjust ends contrary to public interests. It's an era of contradiction that often necessitates counterintuitive conduct, where sanity is nihilism and patriotism is sedition. The recourse for survival within this context of the erosion of traditional meaning is nihilism.

Nihilism is the organic, reasoned response to artificial chaos, the intentional chaos manufactured by government, religion and mass-media.

A plan is secondary to the ideas because the artificial structures around us, the outcome is a product of the collective vision and once concepts are implemented details sort themselves out afterwards. The new will grow on the ash heaps of the old. Today you have the luxury of making a decision no one else can make for you, choose carefully which side to be on.

"The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief."
- Gustave Le Bon

Death to Philosophy

Death to God

Death to Government

Death to Ideology

Death to Money

Death to Love

Death to Morality

Beyond right and left, beyond right and wrong...

http://www.counterorder.com/nihilism_bw.jpg

[Noah]

' Death to Philosophy

Death to God

Death to Government

Death to Ideology

Death to Money

Death to Love

Death to Morality '

. Death to morality and Love? So I can go and rape/kill your daughter or loved one because that's not morally wrong anymore? Doesn't that mean there would be no justice because there are no morals?

Yours,
Noah

[Moral_Imbalance]

Death to morality and Love? So I can go and rape/kill your daughter or loved one because that's not morally wrong anymore? Doesn't that mean there would be no justice because there are no morals?

justice seemes to never have existed and never willl for that matter......... only personal justice it seems will be there.........
you could in any case rape/kill my daughter if u so choose but there would be reprecutions for your actions from me.........
There is no regional morality for it is to relative.........wether of not there is individual Morality i havet decided yet....

You see just because u can do somthing dosent mean u will.....

We we speak of love we speak of that which would be considered obsession by and other object.
love is a chemical ibalance in the brain.....when refering to this imbalance in a relationship it is considered love when involving any other objest it would be called obsession. it also switches to obsession when one of the two entitys in this relation dosent love the other any more......the on that still loves is considered obsessed....

[Black Dagger]

Most anarchists believe in the inate good of mandkind

False. Anarchists (as a whole) are opposed to 'human nature' arguments.



Nihilism advocates the end of morals, philosophy, god, Goverment, love, money, Authority in all forms...........

Do nihilists in turn advocate the end of organisation? Of society? Of production? How will humanity be sustained following a 'nihilist revolution'?



We strive for 100% un-dilluted Freedom..........

Does that 'un-dilluted freedom' extend to the freedom to exploit others or not?



you could in any case rape/kill my daughter if u so choose but there would be reprecutions for your actions from me.........

Why would there be 'reprecutions'? What is motivating your action? Love for your daughter? A 'natural' aversion to murder? Anger that your 'property' has been taken from you? Can you have one of these or another motivation and still be a nihilist?

[Moral_Imbalance]

Does that 'un-dilluted freedom' extend to the freedom to exploit others or not?

Strike that...... its an impossibility.........



Why would there be 'reprecutions'? What is motivating your action? Love for your daughter? A 'natural' aversion to murder? Anger that your 'property' has been taken from you? Can you have one of these or another motivation and still be a nihilist?

Just Because there is no moral standing with us dosent mean we cant grow to a liking for somthing.....

We still have emotions.

[Organic Revolution]

but emotions carry morality. so does growing a liking to somthing... to have a daughter you must love her.. there for that argument of nihllism is null

[Krage]

but emotions carry morality

No, emotions and morality are seperate, emotions are there to try to force you to do what's best for your genes. Morality is there to try to force you to do what's best for society, whether or not it's best for yourself.

[Organic Revolution]

no you are just letting God and His morality control you. whats good for society is good for you right? wrong. morality is an emotion based thing.

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

Isn't it foolish if we didn't have love (sorry if this came a little late)? I mean, how else would we reproduce? How else would we be attracted to one another?

And how can one love revolution? If you love the revolution, then, isn't that as having compassion towards other human beings? To make their lives better?

[bunk]

Isn't it foolish if we didn't have love (sorry if this came a little late)? I mean, how else would we reproduce? How else would we be attracted to one another?

Pure lust :o

[Moral_Imbalance]

And how can one love revolution? If you love the revolution, then, isn't that as having compassion towards other human beings? To make their lives better?

The love i personaly reject is that between to humans.....
I love the aspect of revolution.....
Humans are narcisistic by nature.....
we do what we do to benefit ourselves......

[Krage]

no you are just letting God and His morality control you. whats good for society is good for you right? wrong. morality is an emotion based thing.

What are you talking about? I don't believe in God and I don't accept any morals. I agree that what's good for society isn't neccecarily good for me.
How does what you said in any way contribute to the argument that morality is based on emotions?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 10:20 AM

no you are just letting God and His morality control you. whats good for society is good for you right? wrong. morality is an emotion based thing.

What are you talking about? I don't believe in God and I don't accept any morals. I agree that what's good for society isn't neccecarily good for me.
How does what you said in any way contribute to the argument that morality is based on emotions?
but somewhere in the back of your mind you are letting those prachers and teachers and cops critiqe your every move.

[Krage]

Could you explain what the hell you're talking about?

[Super Mario Conspiracy]

The love i personaly reject is that between to humans.....

Even between friends?


we do what we do to benefit ourselves......

If there is one thing history teaches us, it's that there is no such thing as "human nature". Human beings have lived under a huge variety of social structures. In the course of 5000 years of civilization, we have built and sustained societies of almost every imaginable kind. Humans are the most adaptable creatures on Earth. We have been able to survive in all situations and all environments precisely because we don't have a fixed genetic programming. If there was such a thing as "human nature", then civilization would not exist.. If we were slaves to our instincts, none of the things you see around you would be possible.

...and...

Even assuming that "human nature" exists, the evidence points to the fact that it is not inherently selfish. There is no gene for selfishness in the human genome. Also, you have to look at the way our ancestors lived. We are social animals, not solitary hunters. In the natural, tribal state of Mankind, excessive selfishness on the part of individuals would have caused their tribe to lose cohesion and die, while more altruistic tribes prospered. Therefore, natural selection eliminated excessive selfishness and encouraged altruism and co-operation between individuals.