guerrilla revolution

[symtoms_of_humanity]

has anyone actually had any weapons training, or tactics in real life, and if you have any links to good "how to" or w/e things on guerrilla warfare would be apreciated( I have the minimanual for the urban guerrila by Carlos Marighella)

[Organic Revolution]

check out guerilla war by che guevera

[symtoms_of_humanity]

any links for it for free, i have no cash, so I'm looking for internet stuff at the moment

[danny android]

just type in Guerilla warfare by che guevera into google and you can find the whole book on the web for free. You can find a lot of revolutionary books this way.

[Weatherman Underground]

Guerrilla warfare is a failed tactic. Remember Che only suceeded in one revolution. He got executed by the CIA in Bolivia. I wouldn't place alot of faith in his works.

It also creates a revolutionary movement divorced from the workers, meaning it can never create a workers state.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Weatherman [email protected] 25 2005, 11:18 PM
Guerrilla warfare is a failed tactic. Remember Che only suceeded in one revolution. He got executed by the CIA in Bolivia. I wouldn't place alot of faith in his works.

It also creates a revolutionary movement divorced from the workers, meaning it can never create a workers state.
guerilla warfare is not a failed tactic... che just let himself get caught.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Weatherman [email protected] 26 2005, 12:18 AM
Guerrilla warfare is a failed tactic. Remember Che only suceeded in one revolution. He got executed by the CIA in Bolivia. I wouldn't place alot of faith in his works.

It also creates a revolutionary movement divorced from the workers, meaning it can never create a workers state.
heh and your name is the weatherman underground, not that their your classic guerilla but functioned underground and were armed, with bombs anyways

[slim]

Guerilla warfare has prooven to be more effective than any other kind of warfare in history. It freed China from Japanese Imperialism.

[novemba]

I hate when people say all of el Che's writings on Guerrilla Warfare are non-applicable because he died. He died in a way that he warned against in the pamphlet, a holster point, THE GUERRILLA MOVEMENT MUST HAVE THE PEOPLES SUPPORT OR IT WILL BE A FAILED EFFORT. and we all know that the pro-soviet party in Bolivia betrayed him.

Look, when you read information you're not supposed to fucking accept it word for word. If you don't agree with something or if something doesn't make sense to you then pay it no attention. Read opposing ideologies and see what you do and don't agree with, that's a much more accurate way of gauging information. Ok, so I agree that somethings he said in his pamphlet were in fact false information, but a majority of the information in that book is quite valid.

I'm intrigued by the statement about the worker's not being behind the movement, would you care to elaborate?

Oh yeah, and about Carlos Marighella's pamphlet, it also has lot's of useful info. See the seven deadly sins of the urban guerrilla. But fighting a guerrilla war in a metropolitan area is indeed a dangerous activity, just use common sense when you read it, it's so much easier to be found in a city.

[Enragé]

THE GUERRILLA MOVEMENT MUST HAVE THE PEOPLES SUPPORT OR IT WILL BE A FAILED EFFORT

indeed, and if it has such support, it is a valid tactic. The zapatistas used (granted, for like 2 weeks, but still they used it) and were succesful.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/library.html has some things you would probably be interested in.

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http://www.bellum.nu has alot of stuff on weapons, warfare and irregular (guerrilla) warfare including books by Che, Mao, Marighella and many others.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Also, on the "failure" of the all-too-often dogmatized "Foco Theory" of Che, you should really take a look at "Che Guevara and the Latin American Revolutionary Movements" by Manuel "Barbarroja" Piñeiro


As former director of Cuba’s support operations for liberation movements, “Barbarroja” (Red Beard) makes some extraordinary new revelations about Cuba’s role in Latin America and offers some profound insights into Che Guevara’s life and legacy.

[anomaly]

I agree with most here: guerrilla warfare is not a failed tactic and is a fairly successful tatic. In fact, guerrilla warfare is, I think, one of the best tools at our disposal. t must be realized that 'peaceful' revolution in many places in the world is simply impossible, as the pro-capitalist political machines are often simply to strong (also, you'll notice a disturbing trend when looking at leftist leaders who were popularly elected and seeing how many were violently removed from power...). Then, violent revolution becomes neccesary, and the proven best kind of violent revolution is guerrilla warfare.

[silentprotest]

I've had basic rifle training (with a M1 Garand, and SA80), and basic tactics(urban warfare). I have also read several books concerning modern and anceint warfare. :lol:

[novemba]

Remember what Guerrilla Warfare is.

It's a series of attacks on large stongholds of the enemy using a band of Guerrilla's general in numbers of ten or under. One of the primary principles of Guerrilla Warfare is that you never engage then enemy straight on, and if a gun fight is necessary, encirclement is the only option because it tricks the enemy into think that there are far greater numbers of you than there really are. Only once your forces are improved and/or the enemys reduced so that the numbers of soldiers (guns/aircraft/whatever else) is near equal is when the Guerrilla Warfare becomes full on engagement.

[slim]

The tactic of guerilla warfare is too often seen only as a tool used by Che. We must also look into the case of China in the late 30s, Spain in the 30s and most interestingly, Ireland in 1920.

They beat the British Empire in two years using flying columns.

[top_chat]

[QUOTE]has anyone actually had any weapons training, or tactics in real life, and if you have any links to good "how to" or w/e things on guerrilla warfare would be apreciated( I have the minimanual for the urban guerrila by Carlos Marighella)

I know the answer will probably be no but why don't you join the army and get some professional training. in my opinion you can't put a price on propper training. if you intend to up against proffessional western troops after reading a few manuals and firing off a few rounds at beer cans you'll get you're arse kicked. i don't see a problem with using the capitalists tools against them. :ph34r:

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Anyway, uhh... yeah.

I've never fired a gun before (because of living in the United Kingdom) but I read lots about warfare, so meh.

[Guerrilla22]

I practice shooting several times a week, I've got a poly-tech AK-47. I also get advice from my friend, a former green beret. I've never shot an automatic rifle though.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 06:28 AM
I have a membership to the gun range, own many guns, was trained in combat tactics by ex-military personnel. Urban warfare, wilderness survival training and escape and evasion. I am an excellent shot and a master of homemade camoflage.

BUT WAIT!!! I will fight for America, Im your enemy you red bastards.

-Patriotic American
:D Let's see you laugh with a bullet trough your face
*Looking forward to it ;)

[Simon]

That's the problem, they got more guns and trained.....

[flames of the flag]

Capitalists like to fight dirty and almost always get away with it. I think if the gov't was seriously threatened with revolution they wouldnt hesitate to utilise WMDs. who cares if their own supporters would potentially be affected, they will become martyrs, dieing for capitalism in the eyes of the brainwashed masses. No one would ever be held accountable anyway. Bush is clearly a war criminal, so's Kissinger, but anyone who would want to indict them is clearly a terrorist.
Im not worried about some patriotic waste of skin with post traumatic stress disorder, I'm more worried about Dubya giving the order for depleted uranium shells to be fired on revolutionaries. Or for those sneaky bastards to mail us anthrax, but not the fake shit they sent themselves in the anthrax scare to stir up support for the war on terrorism (cough cough war on Islam). So i think this is important for the revolutionary movement to take into consideration

[VictoryOverWar]

We have true beleif. i doubt the capitalist armies are little more than blind patriots and mercenaries

That is truely a sad way to look at it. Turn your back on what could be your strongest ally will only weaken the movement. Embrace these people, what better weapon against the capitalist armies then there own people

[Red Flag Rising]

The fascists always have guns and know how to use them. So many leftists are either namby-pamby about firearms or just plain afraid of them.

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[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2006, 07:31 PM
well at least your smart enough to realize that. you all have avatars of AK-47's and talk about revolution and crap. But when thrown into the heat of combat, when your computers, books, hammer and sickle pins, families and lives are torn down and destroyed in front of your face for a "utopia" you will never live to see, you will ask yourself "Was it worth it?"
At least educate yourself on Marxism before you come here and make yourself look like a total moron.

[flames of the flag]

"Namby-Pambies" shouldnt talk shit. Those that are the most oppressed by capitalism are mentally hardened by their living situation. Often to the point of militantcy. Pacifists should pick up; a dead prez cd. REVOLUTIONARIES should pick up heaters.

[DisIllusion]

Aw jeez, another "Guest" posting shit about how they'll blindly follow Imperialism anywhere it goes. And having no way to back up your "credentials", why should we believe that you:


I have a membership to the gun range, own many guns, was trained in combat tactics by ex-military personnel. Urban warfare, wilderness survival training and escape and evasion. I am an excellent shot and a master of homemade camoflage.

And of course, don't forget the:


-Patriotic American

Need I remind you that Thomas Jefferson said true patriotism is questioning your government.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 01:31 AM
well at least your smart enough to realize that. you all have avatars of AK-47's and talk about revolution and crap. But when thrown into the heat of combat, when your computers, books, hammer and sickle pins, families and lives are torn down and destroyed in front of your face for a "utopia" you will never live to see, you will ask yourself "Was it worth it?"
And you'll be six feet under with a few pounds of lead in your body. Hell, if not for equality, I'd die just for that.

[Iroquois Xavier]

BANG BANG, HAVE A NICE DAY! :)

aint it funny how the yank is being run by an illiterate fool!HAHA! :lol:

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