Is the equality of communism really so great?

[cultural_revolutionary]

everyone on this forum im sure believs they are different than the majority of the population of the US. what makes u think that the next genaration wouldnt believe in communism in a communist society and wanted to be different just like all of you. its possible. how would the country control this problem from getting out of hand. in the ideal society everybody wouldnt have to be equal, there should be a level of equality but not everybody is equal. i'm not tlakin about race or who makes more money, im talking about individual oppinions. the ideal society would have to be centered between everybody being equal and everybody having their own thoughts one whatever they wanted. unlike our republic that we for some reason call a democracy people are always within conflict about democrats or republicans whatever.

for this reason is why a "cause" should be involved. a cause; a motive, for people to be united in someway, not a small motive, a big motive that you wouldnt just forget, but not big enough to take away free will. This would leave enough leeway for people to have free opinions about whatever they want but wouldnt create a major conflict amongst the people.

America as its current democracy or republic whatever u wanna call it, is split amongst 2 major sides. The liberals and the conservatives, but there are smaller conflicts among the people. if the conflict is gotten rid of but free will is still there, there wouldnt be any social problems.

economic problems and taxes are a different story and im not gonna get into them right now

what i have written above is a so to say "skeleton" of a positive fascism. everybody has a cause to unite them but they are given more free will.

"[Fascism] could happen in a positive way...that everybody believes in one person. It doesn't matter who the person is or what they're saying."
-Darby Crash

when you look at previous governments that have been successful or fallen, a very important government has been the roman government. In tough times, the people elected a dictator who had absolute power and did whatever he wanted and he got things done and everybody was happy and everybody believed in what he was doing to fix society. sure there were people who disagreed on small things but that was the free will! but the cause that united the people was fixing society weather it was during war or a major debt or anything. there were bad things about the roman government that i know of so dont get me wrong.

The nazi party. a very contrivercial society. when people hear the word "nazi" they often jump to thigns like EVIL and HATE and HOLLOCAUST. there are things that the nazi fascist society was doing to OTHER PEOPLE that upset people, but the people WITHIN the society were happy. they had a cause to unite them they had mr. hitler giving them hopes and he actualy got shit done to satisify the people. I am not a nazi, and i don't have any problem with jews, but i do respect hitler's genius not what he did.

The point of all this is that Fascism is not bad, and it is successful. other fascisms fell not because the people UNDER the fascism were unhappy, but the causes were negative which got OTHER countries to be upset and shut down the country by means of war.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 12:54 AM
The point of all this is that Fascism is not bad, and it is successful. other fascisms fell not because the people UNDER the fascism were unhappy, but the causes were negative which got OTHER countries to be upset and shut down the country by means of war.
how is fascism not bad. it advocates the control of all people by one man. not to mention that that one man has the police and military at his side like junkyard dogs and that leader can 'disapear' anyone he wants at anytime. how would you like it if you went to work for a job you didnt like being told what to think all day and when you come home for your state issued meal you find your family to be missing and never coming back. and shit when you want justice and you confront that leader, you are shot dead and swept under the rug like nothing ever happened.
sure, in your mind fascism would be good for you, if your the leader, but if you are there minions then shit,.. life aint that great.

[Organic Revolution]

i hope he answers :rolleyes:

[cultural_revolutionary]

if you read any of what i wrote you'd probobly have the answer to that question. the leader doesnt have to interfear with peoples lives in a controling way, only in a way that unites the people amongst the cause. once people are killed for believing in otherwise it is no longer a "positive fascism" it becomes a negative fascism. and once the leader abuses their power i no longer refer to it as a fascism, but as a dictatorship.

[Organic Revolution]

hmm..."A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control." and that is the definition of fascism. hurray!!!

[cultural_revolutionary]

fuck the definition because fascism has a bad perception from negativity in the past. were the people who were insipred by hitler's speeches CENSORED from anything? The nazi society was based moreso on the cause rather than hitler himself. hitler was just the guy who pushed everyone to believe in the cause (the positive which i agree with) and made sure no one fucked around by means of killing people who didnt follow (the negative which i dont agree with)

[anomaly]

"other fascisms fell not because the people UNDER the fascism were unhappy, but the causes were negative which got OTHER countries to be upset and shut down the country by means of war. "

^Oh come on. Hitler's people were happy? Mussolini's people were happy? And what of Jewish Germans? Were they happy as well? We cannot support your ocncept of 'positive fascism' because it still makes the people of society under and below the state (which represents the 'goal' or 'unifier'). This destroys democracy, and creates tyranny. People should be above the state, above the unifying cause. In fact, the unifying cause should not be some great leader, but the people themselves, and their welfare (we may need leaders, but these leaders should represent the people, educate the people, not 'push' them). I hope you stop supporting any type of fascism, because besides the obvious tyrannical aspect of fascism, fascists also hate communists. I hate to be black and white here, but I must: if you are a fascist, you are anti-socialist and anti-communist.

[cultural_revolutionary]

And what of Jewish Germans?

the jewish germans werent inspired by hitlers speeches, im sure they were even afraid of the stuff he was saying so they don't apply with the fascist society. and sure the people who believed in the cause under hitler and mussolini were happy. I think a leader should push the people as much as possible for the cause and leave leeway for free will.

i personally have no problems with commies, in fact i like them and i like looking into their ideas and comparing them with mine debating with them. and i am a socialist. i believe in a fascist cause of socialism.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 02:30 AM
the jewish germans werent inspired by hitlers speeches, im sure they were even afraid of the stuff he was saying so they don't apply with the fascist society.
hmm... they were happy but they where... afraid?




so they don't apply with the fascist society.
so your saying that in your fascist society al the wrongs of fascism will be sheilded from your citizens?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:54 AM
everyone on this forum im sure believs they are different than the majority of the population of the US.
I think they do think that, but it isn't true.

We only feel different because we understand certain things that seem so clear and obvious to us, and other people don't. That makes us frustrated and in turn different.

The truth is, we're all in the same boat. We are all equally exploited and oppressed by the political, social and economic system of capitalism. If you speak to any person about their life, they will usually give you a vague, but general response: "I'm not happy with the way things are, I just can't do anything about it."

The difference between them, and us is that we have taken the time to understand why we feel that way and ultimately come to the conclusion that indeed we can do something about it.


what makes u think that the next genaration wouldnt believe in communism in a communist society and wanted to be different just like all of you.

That's a possibility, but unlikely one.

The societal, political and economic structures of present day society are the way they are for a purpose. To control, to exploit and dominate. being psychoanalytical animals, we attempt to justify out condition which leads to anger, frustration, rebelliousness against these structures and authority, which over time, those older and in charge have determined are the status quo. We don't want this system, we just don't think there is another one, so we rebel against it by proclaiming we are "different" to it.

In a communist society, these structures would eventually not exist anymore. The expression of individuality would not be stifled by a force we could not control; the need to be "different" to the status quo wouldn't exist.

Do you understand?


in the ideal society everybody wouldnt have to be equal, there should be a level of equality but not everybody is equal.

That's right. Some people are smaller, heavier, some people have diabetes, some have three children, some have dogs, and some are hypoglycaemic etcetc.

A communist society though is based on the dictum: "from each according to ability, to each according to need." This means that every individual in society or in their community puts into it what is necessary and receives what is necessary. Everyone puts in what is needed and takes out what is needed. This is how you create equality.


i'm not tlakin about race or who makes more money, im talking about individual oppinions. the ideal society would have to be cantered between everybody being equal and everybody having their own thoughts one whatever they wanted.

How have you determined what equality is? What are these opinions that you're talking about.


for this reason is why a "cause" should be involved. a cause; a motive, for people to be united in someway, not a small motive, a big motive that you wouldn’t just forget, but not big enough to take away free will.

Society! The advancement of humanity as a collective is the motive or "cause" which people should unite around.


This would leave enough leeway for people to have free opinions about whatever they want but wouldnt create a major conflict amongst the people.

I think communism can allow that to some extent. Of course, as communists we want to destroy class society and along with it the tools which maintain it. In this instance, the opinion contrary to that couldn't be maintained, but also in a situation where communism was to be achieved these people would be in a minority.


what i have written above is a so to say "skeleton" of a positive fascism. everybody has a cause to unite them but they are given more free will.

Fascism is a system of social and political governance, which maintains class control through overt violence. It is an extreme nationalist doctrine, which advocates war as a higher means of human endeavour. "Free will" only exists within a fascist society in as much as the government determines that "free will" and any step from outside that rigidly controlled opinion is met with brute force.

Fascism asserts that the state is like a god. It creates, maintains and determines life and that any opposition to it is tantamount to opposition to the almighty word of god. As we have seen from history, the repercussions of that are on a biblical scale.

Fascism also maintains a controlled capitalism. Capitalists are still able to exploit the workers in order to create a profit, only this time there are no Trade Unions to fight for workers rights and in fact workers rights are scrapped all together.


"[Fascism] could happen in a positive way...that everybody believes in one person. It doesn't matter who the person is or what they're saying."
-Darby Crash

That's not what Fascism is.

Also, the idea that having one person that we can unite around will achieve what? How are we to control what this person does? What happens if they decide that everyone with brown eyes is to be shot?

Creating freedom does not come from believing in someone else! It comes from believing in each other. From recognising what society is and collectively changing it to create a society where everyone is free from want, alienation and exploitation.

No person or leader will create that for us.


when you look at previous governments that have been successful or fallen, a very important government has been the roman government. In tough times, the people elected a dictator who had absolute power and did whatever he wanted and he got things done and everybody was happy and everybody believed in what he was doing to fix society.

Emperor Nero, or Emperor Commodus for example, were dictators who did exactly what they wanted. They spent money on games, on vast buildings on calling themselves gods, while the people starved and lived in disease.

Also, these Emperors were not elected, they had divine right to their seats of power and often used it to commit mass genocide, enslave nations and profit from the misery of their subjects.


sure there were people who disagreed on small things but that was the free will!

And if they actively tried to oppose them, they were killed.


The nazi party. a very contrivercial society. when people hear the word "nazi" they often jump to thigns like EVIL and HATE and HOLLOCAUST. there are things that the nazi fascist society was doing to OTHER PEOPLE that upset people,

And I think that stands in overwhelming testament to the bankruptcy and psychosis of Nazism.

We aren't talking about people being shot for dissent, we are talking about the premeditated and methodical extermination of ten million people.


people WITHIN the society were happy.

Yet they were still exploited by the rich and were unable to decide how they wanted to live.


they had a cause to unite them they had mr. hitler giving them hopes and he actualy got shit done to satisify the people.

Hitler didn't bring people hope to "satisfy" or make them "happy" he brought them jobs so that he could build a war machine that would dominate the world so he could live out his pathological fantasies of Germanic racial purity.

Putting your trust in one person will inevitably lead to their gaining unquestionable power that you cannot challenge unless you are prepared to be killed for it.


I am not a Nazi, and i don't have any problem with jews, but i do respect hitler's genius not what he did.

What genius? What great feat of achievement did he bring to the world? What amazing product came from his superhuman intellect?

He brought bread and jobs to people because he created a war industry that rivals America's now. He turned his country into a war factory.

Also, if people refused to work, they were forced into labour camps or murdered.


The point of all this is that Fascism is not bad, and it is successful.

Successful in creating war, misery, death, and genocide and smashing any hope of creating a free society.

What fascist society has ever lasts. What fascist society, in the end, ever has the people crying for more?


other fascisms fell not because the people UNDER the fascism were unhappy, but the causes were negative which got OTHER countries to be upset and shut down the country by means of war.

The history of the fall of fascism is too complex to discuss in a sentence. One thing is to be said though: Fascism creates a society of fear, hatred, violence and war. That is it's purpose and it's intent. The control of society is the fundamental premise of any fascist government and this control is protected by an iron fist; prepared to smash your skull in if you dare to question it.

Believing in an individual who controls your life is not freedom. It is a disguise. Having a job and buying a nice car is not happiness. It is an illusion, painted and puppeteer by the very individuals you belief we should unite around.

If you give someone power, they will use it, and eventually they will not use it for the benefit of all, but for the benefit of themselves. Robert Mugabe is a prime example.

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[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 06:54 AM
Is the equality of communism really so great?
Yes....unless, of course, you were one of the previous classes who benefitted of the natural in-equality of Capitalism - i.e. the filthy-rich - BURGEROUIS! :lol:

That's teh simple answer - So for the poor and workers, there's no goddamn reason why not have it....

[Raisa]

"everyone on this forum im sure believs they are different than the majority of the population of the US. "

I dont think I am very different at all. But everyone is different a little.


"what makes u think that the next genaration wouldnt believe in communism in a communist society and wanted to be different just like all of you. its possible."

I dont have my beliefs so I can be "different". I have them because I want everyone who is the same as me, and thats a REAL lot of people, to have a better life for all the work their doing..


"This would leave enough leeway for people to have free opinions about whatever they want but wouldnt create a major conflict amongst the people."

Thats usually why you fascists pick war and xenophobia. "We mave have our differences but the whole world is out to get us and we got to pay attention to THAT!"

"America as its current democracy or republic whatever u wanna call it, is split amongst 2 major sides. "

No. Think of whats sides these people are coming from economically. People who have it better want to conserve the way it is, cause their enjoying it. Change appeals to people who arent enjoying things much , or arent getting much out of it.
Thats why throughout history as false as those liars are, the Democrats appealed to minorities and working class people, becuase they always acted like they were gonna really change things.

The WORLD. not just AMERICA, is divided into 2 major sides. The people who have enough, and the people who dont.

And thats the thing you fascists dont see.

Economics influence everything.
Yall just mess with the symptoms. FIght drug wars, put more cops in the ghetto, but you dont adress why people do drugs or that there is a ghetto.

[Blackflagsmeanfreedom]

Hitler was far from a good leader, he blamed everything bad that was happening on the jews, and when you something alone the lines of "the german jews didn't count" yet you said all people under fascism, so therefore they must hve counted, unless german jews aren't people. Anyways, no form of goverment where one man controls everything is good,he could quit possibly go mad. and if you ever wanna say something he disagrees with your dead. I am sorry but there will never be such a thing as positive-fascism, never.

[Xanthor]

wow um culturalrevolutionary you are just stupid please just shut up

[Blackflagsmeanfreedom]

Are you talking to me?

[Phalanx]

Judging that the person he was referring to is named culturalrevolutionary, I don't think that applies to you.