Respond if Your a True Revolutionary

[LeninCCCP]

I was in my history class writing my memoir when someone asked me what i was doing, i told them that i was writing the basis for what i believed a communist government sould be run, they were quick to react about the communist part saying that they always thought it was an unfair system of governing then i told them what true socialists belief, i had converted one soul to see the truth it was at that point i realized i could make a difference i could show people the truth of communism and the falsifications of capitalism. We as Socialists, Communists, and Revolutionists dont realize that most people (the sheeps they are) can see the truth if only you show them the facts if we can convert the masses the revolution can happen it may not be today it may not be next year maybe not even 10 years from now but it can happen we must act as pilgrims to the people who want to be educated by unbiased books, people who want to know there is something to live for and not worrying what might happen when they die, we must stand tall and pround as who we are and dont let the capitalist right wing facist Christians tell us what to think. The Revolution can happen just belief it and it can happen...

[man in the red suit]

as the militant evil chris would say,

if you treat people like sheeps then you have yet to discover the true meaning of socialism.

or something like that.

I just had to bring that up because I said the same thing. People are sheep, they are basically stupid as a whole. An individual is intelligent, people are ignorant cattle. Sure you can convert one person, but you will have to convert one at a time, and how long will that take? what souls are willing to see the truth? If they do in fact see the truth, how long will it be before they forget the truth? Do they even really see the "truth"
or are they agreeing to it half assed because they are bored and want something to talk about for the next couple weeks or so? It is just harder than you think.

but good luck to you anyways!

[Jaha]

"A person is smart, people are dumb." Agent Kay, MIB

just reinforcing the idea.

anyways, i say that the first and largest enemy to a communist movement is the brainwashing of the capitalists. during the cold war, capitalists around the world spread lies and half-truths about the ideals of communism. basically, we must tell the people the truth. once, communism was seen as a very progresive system. an advancement. it can be that way again. but the lies must be proven wrong. it will take as long as necessary.

[Annelie]

It sounds nice, but most people want to stay dumb!Because it easier for them ... why should I change something? So far I have nothing to complain about (situation in Germany) ... and once you try to tell them about the real communism they tune out ... they simple won't pay any more attention to you. Maybe you get one responed and guess what that is? Communism is bad, remember the GDR, we weren't allowed to travel - but I want to travel. But most of them even they lived in the GDR don't realize that this wasn't real socialism ... !!! It was socialim with capitalistic thinking leaders!
So I agree ... it's a hard and long way ... but is it hopeless? NO ... SEAMOS REALIISTAS, EXIJAMOS LO IMPOSIBLE!!! Che Guevara

[Kez]

i think the real work of "revolutionaries" is to spread the word, we [revolutionaries] are supposed to set the way for the masses to overthrow govt

thats why leafleting and so on is good.
Also try creating a sell of communists in your area, just keep it casual for a month or so, talking about issues, having videos and so on, then the ones who feel genuinley arsed you pick out and work with them to do something bigger

step by step, but run up the steps quickly
revolution can be 5 year 10 years or 100, deepends on us. Ive heard the 5 year one at its not that unnacceptable, note the rise in trade unionism, if these forces are channeled into the correct way, we have a revolution on our hands

semeno

[LeninCCCP]

A revolution is plausible espicially when unions are somewhat based on communism. With white collars jobs becoming shit again we have to show the workers(blue collar) that you dont have to stand for the injustice of capitalism towards the people who make it possible...the workers so fuck leaders we can run ourselves.

[Conghaileach]

A cool thing about being a Republican Socialist in the occupied six is that I have no government over me. No recognisable, legitimite government, anyway.

[Xvall]

Do this; convert one person; then give them an assignment to try their HARDEST to convert one other person, and tell them to do the same; and so fourth.

[Jaha]

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

he was taken by the nazis.

i thought this clearly showed how people react when oppressors seize power. the people need to unite before someone takes advantage. tell the people.

(Edited by Jaha at 3:18 am on Oct. 18, 2002)

[Libertarius]

I can't say i have done any significant freedom-fighting, save for attending various protests across Canada and in the US, and writing several letters to politicians and newspapers. I CAN say, however, that if a strong resistance were to form tomorrow, fighting the Liberal government of BC, Canada, that I would join it and put my entire life into it. The same goes for a revolution in the States, I would move there just to take part.

The United States is a perfect place for a strong and influential revolution to happen. It has many disgruntled working class folks, and recently a huge economic surplus has been shattered and turned into a pathetic deficit. These are the components necessary to create thoughts of resistance. People in the States are angry, due to lack of health insurance, and many other basic public services. I believe there is a powerful revolutionary force lying dormant in the US, it must simply be roused into action.

[boadicea88]

I do a bit of anti war graffing with my friend Allie.

[Libertarius]

Hehe, that's always appreciated :) I must admit i've scrawled anti-war phrases in Vancouver & Washington. Just don't get caught doing that sort of thing in the US, you'll be in even bigger trouble with the law than if you were painting a swastika :P

[LeonardoDaVinci]

I don't usually like to refer to movies, but I think capitalism is rather similar to the matrix. Everyone living in the capitalist world is satisfied with it to a certain extent because it is the only thing they know and it seems to be working for them. However, for those who sought the truth and looked at the wide picture, they realised that the capitalist system is nothing but a big fat lie in which the average citizen is the victim of the capitalist illusions.

Nevertheless, until each and every citizen is enlightend and liberated (and not everyone will wish to be), most of them will be on the enemy's side, for capitalism shapes every aspect of their lives and they are dependent on it, from their way of thinking to their education and even the way they dress, and therefore they will be prepared to defend it blindly and implictly, because for many out there it is the only way.

[Angie]

Quote from LeonardoDaVinci:
I don't usually like to refer to movies, but I think capitalism is rather similar to the matrix.Feel free to call me Trinity at any time. :)

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Sure thing darling ;)

[Kez]

back to the point, we cant have a revolution, if we know fuck all. you cant have a revolution if the "revolutionary" hasnt read the communist manifesto at least 5 times over (even i Sultan of the world Kamo havent read it 5 times).

We need to keep reading.
At the moment im reading:
"Capitalist Democracy in Britain" - fuckin brilliant book showing how the system suppresses the working class.
"Lenin selected works Volume one of three" if i manage to get thru these i will be so fuckin chuffed, also knackered, but then i hope i can call myself a real leninist.

I also write notes for the books i read so it gets in better.

:)
Semeno

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Yeah, I agree with you Kamo. Self-education and development is an important prerequisite for any revolution (although I don't think you have to read The Communist Manifesto 5 times, if you can do understand in one or two goes then that's just as good).

Furthermore, I do not agree with the position of many comrades here that we should sacralize the works of Marx and Engels and follow it implicitly. Marx was undoubtedly a shrewd observer of his time, but nevertheless we live in a completely different time, and the ideas and working conditions of the working class vary enormously from that time. Moreover, if we do not evolve the from the stagnant Marxist theories and adapt new theories which apply to our day and age then we are just as guilty of ignorance as those religious thinkers who build their entire belief system on ancient texts that have no relevance to our lives nowadays. Evolutionary revolution is the answer.

[Jaha]

im with leonardo. marx was not a god. just a thinker and anybody with a brain can think. (many choose not to, but that is another topic) just realize that if you read the texts a million times, that does not prepare you to be a revolutionary. your own thinking, that is what makes you a revolutionary.

[jon doe]

g'day

you don't need to re-read the communist manifesto more than once all the ideas in it are damn simple, cause it is basicly a call to action. what you need to read lots of times is das kapital because im sure no one understands that first time thru. also we've got to remember that marx wasn't the only one who wrote books. we have to read widely and im not talking about lennin and all the other psedo-marxists im talking right-wing prpopaganda, pro-free market stuff and lots of anarchist and other socialist stuff else we wont be able to make an infomed choice about politcs and will leave ourselves open to attack on all sides.

thanks
-r.

[Kez]

i think we definately do NEED to read the manifesto over and over again, however, we must adapt it to the world to day
the way to do that is to see what politial marxist scientists such as Alan Woods, and Ted Grant have written, for what they have written one can rarely argue with.
Lenin was a marxist, not a psuedo one

[Kilian]

I don't think we need to read that much but if you want to then go ahead.

to get people to our movement we need to shorten the information to a leaflet because not all people read as much as you guys do.

[GUTB]

Converting people to a Revolution is not something that can be *made* to happen. Revlutionary tendencies will occur of their own accord in times of Capatalist crissis. The great mission of the avowed Marxist is to be prepared to seize on this tendency when it arises, to be a credible alternative and a way out of misery for the masses. In other words, the Marxist revolutionary paves the way for the comming mass-movement of workers, and constitute the leaders of the vangaurd party that provides the clear-headed direction and practical means to see the revolution through to it's final end.

[Jaha]

GUTB, but one cannot be shunned for trying to force these "tendencies" to come ahead of schedule. if you do not tell the people that there isanother option, they may go centuries before coming to the conclusion that capitalism is crap. convice the people that communism is possible. that is the first step. many believe it can only work in a dream....

[Kez]

I agree totally with the guy that said we need to summarise manifesto, that is what im currently doing, so people can read it, agree with it, then do their own reading later on, it shold act as a sort of magnet kind thing.
But it is also important to do things grassroots level, if one can start a circle of like minded people, lets say 10 people, and get 4 that are hardcore commie, then youve done a fuckin brilliant job mate, u invite them to ur house, show videos and pamphlets and then the group gets bigger, always remember that the students and the labour movement are so fuckin strong.

semeno

[nextamericanrev]

Quote: from Libertarius on 4:29 am on Oct. 18, 2002
I I believe there is a powerful revolutionary force lying dormant in the US, it must simply be roused into action.



You have a great point.....all that is holding back the people is that it would be much easier to go along with the flow.....i believe though that the next move the US govnt makes against the peoples wishes will be the cutting of one more thread that is holding together the thin string of democracy in the US and will hopefully cause an uprising giving "we" the people a chance to change our oppresive govnt.