Mind Contolled Assassins

[Paradox]

"Manchurian candidates." Have there actually been any confirmed? I remember hearing the suggestion put forth that Sirhan Sirhan (sp?), the guy they say killed RFK was one, but there wasn't evidence to prove that. So are there any actual confirmed cases of mind controlled assassins?

[praxis1966]

I don't know about specific cases, but the CIA tried something similar in the '60s and '70s. Check out the link below.

The History of MK Ultra (http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm)

[Organic Revolution]

i know the CIA used LSD and other drugs on their agents.

[praxis1966]

It wasn't just their agents. They used them on unwitting test subjects as well. I remember reading a story in the local newspaper here about a lawsuit that stemmed from one such incident. Apparently, back 1961 some CIA researcher dosed some American tourist in a cafe in Paris and the guy still has nightmares about it. I don't remember what the outcome was, though, as that was several years ago.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Yea, the MK-Ultra program was pretty nasty :ph34r: . Once again the CIA got away with terrible human-right violations. Apparently they just kidnapped random people and did tests on them and stuff.

But i think this mind-control thing never worked.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

[praxis1966]

You're right, the overwhelming majority of their experiments turned out to be failures. But that didn't stop the experiments from being fundamentally torturous in the first place.

[Vallegrande]

I think that guy who killed Lennon was also being brainwashed. He most likely was, since he was naked with a gun waiting for John to come back home. I think he was drugged by the CIA, because before John died, his music was becoming politically powerful (I think one of his songs released John Sinclair out of prison). J. Edgar Hoover must have known about the whole thing. I'll never forget that name Hoover, and some day I will see a burning effigy of him.

[Organic Revolution]

why dont yo make a burning effigy

[Colombia]

Did the USSR do anything similiar? I sure hope not.

[Organic Revolution]

most likley... the USSR was a big peice of shit

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

how scientific.. lol

[praxis1966]

No more posting drunk for you, RU. You're cut off.

[Tupac-Amaru]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 04:42 AM
I think that guy who killed Lennon was also being brainwashed. He most likely was, since he was naked with a gun waiting for John to come back home. I think he was drugged by the CIA, because before John died, his music was becoming politically powerful (I think one of his songs released John Sinclair out of prison). J. Edgar Hoover must have known about the whole thing. I'll never forget that name Hoover, and some day I will see a burning effigy of him.
You may be going over the compiracy theories dude...im not sure that's right.

The guy who killed Lenon was a religious fanatic ( a mormon, or one of those religions). But anyway, he was brainwashed by the church not by the FBI or the CIA...that's pushing it.

[Vallegrande]

And I think the church is in cahoots with the CIA.
That trial was an open and shut case. The murderer pleaded guilty and there was no real debate over who really did it.

I had to get a conspiracy link, here it is. http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm

Anyway, it's kind of suspicious to see all of these artists dying off in only a decade, while Hoover was still running the show.

[encephalon]

Did the USSR do anything similiar? I sure hope not.

Actually, I have this book from the cold war era that I've yet to get around to reading called "Paranormal Discoveries in the USSR" laying somewhere around here.. I was saving it for a good laugh :lol:

As for mind-control, etc... look, let's be scientific here :P There's no evidence. What we have are a bunch of crazies running around with guns saying someone else made them do it. It's called paranoid schizophrenia, case solved :P

There is Sodium Pentothol, though, which most people would know as the "truth serum" drug.. and hypnosis as well. Neither of those are wholly reliable methods of extracting information nor reliable methods of controlling a person.

I'm guessing the most promising form of controlling people isn't biological or chemical at all, actually, but instead digital. A lot of breakthroughs have been made regarding electronic devices communicating with and controlling biological organs (like.. the brain). It could be a possible worry if nanotechnology gets reliable, but right now I don't think we have much to worry about, and most definitely didn't have anything to worry about concerning mind control in the past.

C'mon, comrades, we're supposed to be the ones that think things out here :P

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 04:34 AM
No more posting drunk for you, RU. You're cut off.
Rise up is SxE

[Vallegrande]

It could be a possible worry if nanotechnology gets reliable, but right now I don't think we have much to worry about, and most definitely didn't have anything to worry about concerning mind control in the past.

I remember Tesla working on a project that had to do with changing the atmosphere for the weather. Some other things he did that we dont even know about, possibly the mind control, using wave frequencies.

[Vallegrande]

As for mind-control, etc... look, let's be scientific here There's no evidence.

No evidence because it has been destroyed or kept secret. What about the MKULTRA and those experiments. I know having a bad trip on LSD can be pretty frightening, as were some of the experiments that were done. There isn't the evidence, but the suspicion.

[encephalon]

No evidence because it has been destroyed or kept secret.

hey, there's no evidence for that, either? See where I'm getting? You need to approach things based on evidence. Suspicion alone is not going to get you or us anywhere.

Here's an example: I'll say that just now, I travelled back in time, disguised myself and my name, started the paris commune, then came back. There's no evidence because the bastard government is covering it up.. because if you knew I did that, then you'd know how cool I really am.

See the paradox there at all? It's circular logic, and doesn't lead to answers.


I remember Tesla working on a project that had to do with changing the atmosphere for the weather. Some other things he did that we dont even know about, possibly the mind control, using wave frequencies.

Wave frequencies are a quantative measure of brain activity, not a qualative determinant. You cannot control thoughts with frequencies.

And I seriously doubt you remember Tesla working on the projects, unless you too travelled back in time :lol:

[Vallegrande]

Suspicion is essential in finding out the truth, though I only know of one time this worked, when people stormed into a building and took what they were looking for. They couldn't get it just by asking for it, and when they got it, their suspicions were correct (but I can't remember the full story). Anyways, it takes suspicion before the truth comes out.

[Vallegrande]

And I seriously doubt you remember Tesla working on the projects, unless you too travelled back in time.

Not specifically do I remember, but Tesla came up with things that just plain scared the gov't, like free energy. Since his death, Star Wars and other projects have made their way. That is just a piggy back of what Tesla was working on. And of course there is no evidence to his blueprints because they've been confiscated by the gov't!

[encephalon]

yes, it also takes informed restraint from pursuing every idea that pops up.. especially circular logic

[resisting arrest with violence]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 02:53 AM
I don't know about specific cases, but the CIA tried something similar in the '60s and '70s. Check out the link below.

The History of MK Ultra (http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm)
Thanks for that!


"See also
Sidney Gottlieb
Louis Joylon West
other CIA cryptonyms
Project CHATTER
Project BLUEBIRD
Project ARTICHOKE
MKNAOMI
MKDELTA
Project Monarch
Tuskegee syphilis study
Brainwashing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-ULTRA

[Vallegrande]

What's wrong with circular logic since there really is not truth right now?

[encephalon]

What's wrong with circular logic since there really is not truth right now?

because it creates an endless loop that people get stuck in. All of a sudden, no answers exist to them except what they think without a shred of evidence--it shares that in common with religion.

And you know what that does? Halt progress. You could be smacked in the face repeatedly with the truth and you wouldn't flinch because you're stuck in such senseless unsolveability.

The point is to discover the truth. Circular logic prevents it.

[Vallegrande]

I'm just saying, as many people are, that there are facts that the CIA attempted mind control numerous times. There should be a petition requesting the defense budget from the 50's and 60's, so we can see what the money went to.

[praxis1966]

First of all, the defense budget from the 1950s and 1960s is a matter of public record, there's no need for a petition. Secondly, the CIA conducted these experiments, so the funding for them wouldn't be included in that budget. Follow the link below and read the National Security Act and subsequent ammendments. According to the act, the CIA is under no legal obligation to disclose the names, numbers or functions of its personnel. Furthermore, funding for the CIA is funneled through other governmental departments and then back into the Agency. It's a form of legalized money laundering to keep the actual dollar amounts spent on intelligence gathering a secret. In any case, the National Security Act trumps FOIA, so a request to get more information is probably an excersize in futility. Unless of course the president decides to be uncharacteristically generous.

http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/na...ct/1947-act.htm (http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/national-security-act/1947-act.htm)

[Vallegrande]

Yeah that would be the day, when the prez feels like he has nothing left to lose! Seems like everyone in the administration, including the prez, got each other blackmailed.

[cubalibra]

Sirhan Sirhan was one of the CIA's mind control patsies used to kill RFK.