Socialist States

[Batman]

What nations are truly socialist today, 2005.

Cuba of course. But then it gets a bit hazy. China? N Korea? Vietnam?

[Djehuti]

Define "socialism". State capitalism?

[Batman]

Would that not be another thread entirely.

Instead, which states claim to be Socialist? Is that better.

[More Fire for the People]

There has never been a socialist state, and rarely has true power flowed to and from the worker.

Examples of a state in transition to socialism could be the Paris Commune, the early Soviet Union, and briefly in China.

[Che1990]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:17 PM
There has never been a socialist state, and rarely has true power flowed to and from the worker.

Examples of a state in transition to socialism could be the Paris Commune, the early Soviet Union, and briefly in China.
Very true. China was ok until 1958 (Cultural Revolution.) I won't post more on the cultural revolution in China unless someone starts a thread about it. I just did an essay on it for history (we've been studying Mao and his rise to power etc.) so I'm getting pretty sick of it!

[For The Immoral]

I dont know if this will help, but this is a current list of Communist States.

China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam

[More Fire for the People]

There is no such thing as a communist state as Communism is an era marked by socialism and no state.

[Che1990]

Originally posted by For The [email protected] 24 2005, 07:08 PM
I dont know if this will help, but this is a current list of Communist States.

China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam
None of those are Communist (some claim to be, not Cuba though). China have opened up now, Cuba haven't claimed to be Communist for years, as for Laos and Vietnam? North Vietnam is still 'Communist' but I don't know much about it. Same with North Korea.

[Batman]

There has never been a socialist state, and rarely has true power flowed to and from the worker.


Union of Socialist Soviet Republics?


Examples of a state in transition to socialism could be the Paris Commune, the early Soviet Union, and briefly in China.

If they were states in transition to socialism what were they then? State capitalist? Isnt Socialism the first stage of Communism?


There is no such thing as a communist state as Communism is an era marked by socialism and no state.

I still have trouble with a Communist state(sic) being an oxymoron. What about the police, jails etc It would still be a State but not in the way we know it.

[For The Immoral]

Im just postin' what the American Government wants you to believe...

[More Fire for the People]

I still have trouble with a Communist state(sic) being an oxymoron. What about the police, jails etc It would still be a State but not in the way we know it.

There would be no police in a socialist society and jails wouldn't only harbor real criminals, not thiefs (what would they steal?) and drug users.
By communism, practically no crime would exist because the conditions that create crime would not exist. Neighbourhood watches and psychologist could easily deal with crimes by mental disorder.

[Batman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:04 PM

I still have trouble with a Communist state(sic) being an oxymoron. What about the police, jails etc It would still be a State but not in the way we know it.

There would be no police in a socialist society and jails wouldn't only harbor real criminals, not thiefs (what would they steal?) and drug users.
By communism, practically no crime would exist because the conditions that create crime would not exist. Neighbourhood watches and psychologist could easily deal with crimes by mental disorder.
Sounds like a bit of a Utopia.

[More Fire for the People]

Sounds a bit like Marxism, are you not a Marxist?

[Batman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 08:48 PM
Sounds a bit like Marxism, are you not a Marxist?
My political development is still in its infancy but, yes I would consider myself a Marxist. Can you not see where I'm coming from though. No prisons, no crime etc

[Clarksist]

Union of Socialist Soviet Republics?


Just because they call themselves socialist, does not make them socialist.


Isnt Socialism the first stage of Communism?


If you are a Marxist. But many Communists aren't Marxists.


I still have trouble with a Communist state(sic) being an oxymoron. What about the police, jails etc It would still be a State but not in the way we know it.


The police would not be the kind of "police" we have now. Jails would exist in a completely different way.


My political development is still in its infancy but, yes I would consider myself a Marxist. Can you not see where I'm coming from though. No prisons, no crime etc


Crime would occur, just not in the same amount as it does now. I don't think crime would dry up, but so many fewer policemen would need to be around, and even then we would mostly just need police to solve crimes, or firefighters for obvious reasons.

The idea is the there is now governing organ of the state. It is the PEOPLE which decide, so it isn't a government deciding.

[Batman]

Just because they call themselves socialist, does not make them socialist

What were they then and why do you have a hammer and sickle avatar?

[Enragé]

@ batman

state capitalist, though some would argue degenerate workersstate...doesnt really matter, 99% of us agree they suck(ed)

[Colombia]

The country nearest to a socialist state.

The Netherlands.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 05:13 AM
The country nearest to a socialist state.

The Netherlands.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HA

DUDE

LOL

i live here and i can assure IT IS NOT. 5 yrs ago...perhaps a little more...but the few things which were accomplished (and i can assure, they were few) have long since been destroyed by right wing governments.

[Colombia]

Interesting. Perhaps my sources were wrong. I'll take your word.

[bunk]

Union of Socialist Soviet Republics?

I believe the title was Union of Soviet Socialist Republics :unsure:

[Batman]

Aye, I noticed that after I wrote it. Thought no one would notice ya fecker. :P