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RedCeltic
22nd June 2005, 16:36
Four miles from my house (6.4k) in the small village of Farmingville (Long Island) New York, is the front lines of the battle over immigrant day workers. The busy intersection of North Ocean Avenue and Horseblock road in Farmingville has gained national interest as Americans battle over the issue of immigration to the U.S.

For years the busy intersection has been the focal point for immigrant day laborers to congregate in the early mornings waiting employers (landscaping, construction, etc) to pick them up and give them work for the day. The intersection is fairly well located in the center of the island and near the Long Island Expressway so that employers traveling west to New York City or East to Montauk Point can easily swing by the intersection to pick up a few day laborers.

This has spurred an intense battle over the past few years between local residents of Farmingville who want the local government to do something about them as they view the laborers as an “eyesore,” and civil rights groups, unions, and religious groups who assert that workers regardless of legal status deserve human rights and dignity. A proposal for a “hiring hall” had been proposed a few years ago that would provide more safety, human dignity, and at the same time remove the “unsightly” spectacle of hundreds of day laborers congregating at the intersection. The proposal however was venomously shot down by local residents however who saw the proposal as legitimizing undocumented workers.

The battle has intensified over the past few days when a “flop house” had been raided and closed down for renting a single family home to over 40 day workers. Yesterday, (Monday June 21) the workers were locked out of the house without being provided the ability to secure their belongings, or without being provided an alternate place to live. The town of Brookhaven asserted that it was Suffolk County’s problem, while the county insisted that it was the town’s duty to secure housing for them. A local immigrant civil rights group tried to get a catholic charities group involved in helping, yet the Catholics claim their shelters are all already overcrowded and that they had been asked to help after the workers were thrown out in the streets.

Local residents who have been battling with the local government to do something are overjoyed that these workers are now homeless. They hope that law enforcement continues this form of action in order to “send these people back to where they came from.” It seems that the local residents are so full of hatred for the day workers that the workers no longer qualify in their minds as humans.

This all seems to be very consistent with the political climate in the United States, that only those who hold American citizenship are deserving of human/civil rights, dignity and respect.

Man of the Century
22nd June 2005, 19:17
I didn't read your post, but do have time to answer your question. An illegal alien is a foreign national who is in a given country illegally; that is, without proper authorization. Your education failed you somehow.

RedCeltic
23rd June 2005, 03:25
If this was a test you would be the one who flunked reading comprehension.

Vallegrande
24th June 2005, 18:26
The gov't recognizes them as such. Think about who the police patrol is made up of, WASPM's who still hold racial grudges and still consider foreign people to be inferior, or animals. The racist pigs still have the power in America. I dont doubt Bush is a racist.

Exploited Class
24th June 2005, 19:57
This is that issue of mis-directed anger and hatred within the United States. For whatever reason people like to shit below and not up and who is below everybody in the US? Why it is undocumented workers. They are called illegals, they steal jobs, they are a security threat, they bring disease and crime and so much else, they are the focus of so much unsubstantiated claims by American Citizens.

In reality they are just very driven, hard working people who threw away their borders, looking for basic survival. They fill a neccesary niche in this economy that depends on them to survive. They have very little rights and tolerate almost anything just to survive and they fill in where slavery left off. I don't know how they do it and it simply amazes me. I know I do not have the determination that these individuals posses.

They lived in a flop house, and survived. They took away their flop house and yet they survived. They put up with hostility and racism and they survive. They work for close to nothing at unbelievable hostile conditions and they survive. The media turns the general public against them and they survive, they live with uncertainty and under the rader daily and they survive.

The people that have legally harassed them is disguisting. They get some sick joy out of ruining or making these people's lives even harder. They don't seem to understand or perhaps don't want to accept the fact, these people are not going anywhere and the ruling class doesn't want them to leave. The NIMBY "Not in my backyard" mentality is truly disturbing when it comes to people. We know we need you so our new homes our cheaper but we don't want to see you and we surely don't want you to have an easy time doing it.

Don't give them a hall, take away their flop house, do anything to make yourself feel better about your economical statis by crapping on the lowest of the economical ladder. Sick mentality.

Vallegrande
24th June 2005, 22:00
I say the U.S. is just getting what it deserves after what was done to the Native Americans. Some Karmic retribution.

Vallegrande
24th June 2005, 22:10
Anyone know that Nikolai Tesla was labeled an "Illegal Alien" the day after he died? The government officials came in, called him an alien, and confiscated all of his blueprints that would have given America free energy.

Dwarf Kirlston
24th June 2005, 23:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:00 PM
I say the U.S. is just getting what it deserves after what was done to the Native Americans. Some Karmic retribution.
how exactly??

because US people massacred indians..- some poor people are being treated badly?
Mexicans are human? are Africans? Yankees? Brazilians? Brits?
i dont think it is borders that really count... or nationality or lack of a nationality...



i think the better question would be:
Are members of the proletariat human?

Exploited Class
25th June 2005, 01:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 02:00 PM
I say the U.S. is just getting what it deserves after what was done to the Native Americans. Some Karmic retribution.
Well if that is Karma, then Karma sucks in equality.

If a genocide against a race is equal to the discomfort of having a few poor people from all corners of the world move next door, then Karma needs to work its bugs out.

Or maybe you just hate brown people so much that the thought of them living near you is equal to the massacre of natives?

I really don't see your point here.

Vallegrande
25th June 2005, 02:48
I dont think that way. I can see how karma is collective. It comes to you, and you take it on. This nation is full of karma that we all take on collectively.

rise_up
1st July 2005, 09:34
Originally posted by Man of the [email protected] 22 2005, 06:17 PM
I didn't read your post, but do have time to answer your question. An illegal alien is a foreign national who is in a given country illegally; that is, without proper authorization. Your education failed you somehow.
thank you comrade...my thoughts exactly.

Vallegrande
1st July 2005, 22:08
I had skimmed over this debate about Samuel Huntington's book Who are We? about immigration to the United States. Has anyone read this book and what can they describe of it? Because I'm hearing two sides where Huntington is a bigot and a racist because some of his remarks. Then the other side is he has some important points to make about immigration.

One interesting thing I caught on was that the colonists, as he described them, were not immigrants. He considered them settlers, who built a new nation. Then he points out the difference between an immigrant and a settler. But that doesn't make sense, because immigrants who have come to America have made important changes in the poilitical and social process.

FatFreeMilk
1st July 2005, 22:17
One interesting thing I caught on was that the colonists, as he described them, were not immigrants. He considered them settlers, who built a new nation. Then he points out the difference between an immigrant and a settler. But that doesn't make sense, because immigrants who have come to America have made important changes in the poilitical and social process.
Well even that doesn't make any sense because if the colonists weren't immigrants because they bulit a new nation, then the real settlers were the natives because there already were various "nations". And what's so wrong with being an immigrant anyways?