Subcomandante Marcos has issued a red alert

[resisting arrest with violence]

What do you think is going on? Is President Fox going to go on a rampage?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_zapatistas/nc:734;_ylt=Ah1xp5YU1tLkK5L4Ru2neFy3IxIF;_ylu=X3oD MTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...=59&ItemID=8124 (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=59&ItemID=8124)

[Man of the Century]

President Fox has plans to bring harm to the leadership of any planned revoltuions in southern Mexico.

[Paradox]

In a statement issued Sunday, Marcos broke off fragile relations with the Chiapas government and criticized leftist Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the front-runner ahead of presidential elections in 2006.

Hmmm... I wonder why he criticized Obrador. Anyone know what this is about?


Also mentioned as a possible affront to the Zapatistas was a Monday announcement that about Mexican troops had destroyed a total of 9 acres of marijuana plants in rebel-controlled territory.

I seriously doubt this claim, seeing how the Zapatistas combat drug cultivation and trafficking in their territory. I mean, they kick people out for cultivation and trafficking. I think they first get a suspension, and if they get caught again they get kicked out permanently.


Fifth - That, simultaneous with the publication of this communiqué, national and international civil societies who are working in peace camps and in community projects are being urged to leave rebel territory. Or, if they decide freely of their own volition, they remain on their own and at their own risk, gathered in the caracoles. In the case of minors, their departure is obligatory.

Wow. They must really be expecting something bad to happen. Some people from the Zapatista Coalition here that my dad goes to are planning to go to Chiapas soon. I wonder if they're going to reconsider because of this. I hope more details come out about what's causing all of this.

:ph34r:

[violencia.Proletariat]

the army is mobilizing, but no one ive talked to knows why yet. it might be in defence of the communities, who knows, but whatever it is i wish them luck. from the communique, it seems he's asking all the groups they work with to withdraw for their saftey, and also breaking relations wtih them for now, maybe so they wont get a bad rep for supporting and army.

[The Z-Man]

This can't be good.

[Hefer]

This is most likely back by the CIA to stop the spread of the revolution :angry:

[AnarchoCommunist]

If any violence breaks out in Mexico, we can all see that the blame can go stright to the Mexican Government.

Not only has the corrupt neo-liberal Fox regime failed to solve any of the problems of mass poverty afflicting Mexico and thus pushing the people into armed rebellion as the only effective solution, but Fox now seems to be planning a massive military campaign of reactionary oppression.

My guess is that this show of reactionary force is to scare the Mexican people into submission before the elections of 2006, which could go against his regime and the Mexican establishment in general.

This time, the Zapatista's must throw everything they have against the troops of the Fox regime and inflict damage on the Fox regime, to show them that they cannot just use a few army units to crush every revolutionary and social movement going in Mexico.

Looking back at everything that has happened since January 1994, it is a real shame that the Zapatista's did not liberate the entire Mexican nation.

I know the Zapatista's do not want state power, but liberating all of Mexico need not result in state power but a federation of workers and peasants councils, on the best traditions of the anarchist/council communist movement.

[violencia.Proletariat]

heh good luck repelling helicopters and tanks with a couple of pre ww2 sten guns. i doubt the would win a major campaign against them. but yeah if troops invade chiapas they will deffinetly have the upper hand in the jungles. i dont think mexico is ready to be liberated yet.

[rikaguilera]

This issue does need more promotion though. People need to be made aware of what is going on. I am suprised to see this was a "yahoo" link, and not some other "ap" report or something along those lines. The more people that know about what is going on, the more cautious Fox and his U.S counter-parts have to be. People need to talk more about this. Get the word out, so to speak.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think it seems foolish to crticize the mayor, surley he is a natrual ally?

[Hefer]

think it seems foolish to crticize the mayor, surley he is a natrual ally?

Thats what I was thinking, maybe Marco sees him as another puppet?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Ever since Fox's meeting with Pres. Bush and P.M. Martin in Texas, it's sorta been the case that Mexico's 'stepping up' as another major industrial power. Industrialization has unfortunately been the dogma of Fox so-to-speak...of course, at the expense of the working class.

Maquiladoras still exist - which promote industrial growth. The Zapatistas have been a thorn in Fox's side, and show a 'weak' state to the eyes of many. For instance, America has a 'strong' state, because well...it kills political freedom and throws everyone into a republican vs. democrat battle. Autonomy isn't the question here, it's more along the lines of what looks good for Mexico.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if a CIA-backed, or Fox-backed initiative (one in the same?) were to start a war with the Zapatistas - autonomy or not, the Mexican government wants to mimmick evil states such as America, in wiping out whatever makes it 'weaker'...a state within a state would be classified as such.

[violencia.Proletariat]

yeah if its cia backed, or heavily military, i hope it doesnt go bad for the ezln. hopefully they would put out a call for volunteer militias, if it ever came to that would anyone go and fight?

[herr_Nosferatu]

If I didn't have such a fragile health, I'd take the first plane to get there...

[comrade_mufasa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 09:54 PM
If I didn't have such a fragile health, I'd take the first plane to get there...
You could always just go clean guns. All help is needed in thier fight.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 01:22 PM

In a statement issued Sunday, Marcos broke off fragile relations with the Chiapas government and criticized leftist Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the front-runner ahead of presidential elections in 2006.

Hmmm... I wonder why he criticized Obrador. Anyone know what this is about?


he criticized obrador because he thinks he is nothing more than moderate right. ive heard that obrador spends lots of money on shoes and casino trips etc. but he is basically right, change isnt gonna come from a supposed leftist mayor. and idk if this is right but i think obrador supports a party that was involved in the zapatista negotiations which obviously didnt work out.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 02:42 AM
yeah if its cia backed, or heavily military, i hope it doesnt go bad for the ezln. hopefully they would put out a call for volunteer militias, if it ever came to that would anyone go and fight?
I don't know if there'd be any support from major G8 countries - they'd probably support Fox's initiative if anything.

I can see Venezuela and Cuba sending support to the EZLN - Cuba especially seeing how Guevara has been one of Marcos' idols. I can see Venezuela's Hugo Chavez heavily supporting this as well, seeing how the EZLN's aim is for indigenous rights..and well, Chavez is indigenous himself.

I know many supporters would go from G8 countries, NGOs would definitely be involved as well, but states themselves may hesitate to act on the basis of their reputations becoming 'tarnished' in the eyes of highly-industrialized countries, who would support Fox's initiative.

[bolshevik butcher]

yeh, i think that a war is really the last hting mexico needs. I mean im sure the zapistas could put up a guerilla resistance, but it's not what's needed.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Agreed. I just don't think the Zapatistas could win against the Fox gov't in an armed battle. I'm sure the Mexican gov't has much more highly developed/destructive weapons since the 1994 uprising against Salinas.

[bolshevik butcher]

A guerilla war doesn't require much hafrdware, if they have the support of the local populace they would always be there.

[aztecklaw]

I don't know what the next stage of their revolution will be because they still have to decide on that, but I do know that the last stage was the media war. But now that "Radio Insurgente" is down indefinately, that stage is clearly over.

Its also been stated that they will not be forming a political party to get into Mexico's political mix, so it seems the only reason to sound off a red alert is to call the Zapatistas to arms.

I'll never disagree with any direction the Zapatistas take because they are the only people of action in North America and are the only ones to take on globalization.

The shift the Zapatistas are planning to make is probably related to CAFTA

http://www.wola.org/economic/cafta.htm

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

I disagree that the Zapatistas are the only people in North America taking action against globalization.

There are many NGOs and other grassroots projects looking at the world in an anti-globalization manner.

Students against Sweatshops is another organization against the ideology of globalization. The Zapatistas are heavily opposed to globalization, but are not the only ones - the Seattle protests heavily display the resentment globalization has caused amidst many in America/Canada.