When the revolurtion comes

[AK47]

[SIZE=7]Yea, I read you are ready to fight and struggle for the liberation movement, but just a question. Has any one of you even touched a weapon, fired a gun? I just would like to here from you. What training (official or not) have you had? Anyone. <_<

[Organic Revolution]

i have fired numerous weapons and have extensive knowledge with them. have you ever fired a weapon

[AK47]

Akm (quite proficient), mac 90, corbrey m11, 1911a (thomson), mini14, mini-9 (intra tech), maveric 500 (12 gagE). SnW revolver (357), bryco 380,.....Off the top of my head.

[Organic Revolution]

ar-15 ak47 m16 glock 9mm 12 guage shot gun.

[The Z-Man]

Um, yea.

[Organic Revolution]

we really shouldnt be discusing this on an open forum.

[The Z-Man]

Originally posted by rise [email protected] 20 2005, 09:36 PM
we really shouldnt be discusing this on an open forum.
Right you are.

[Pawn Power]

A successful revolution will only come with mass support, including those in the military. I do not know how important it is for one to be armed or trained to fight. The first, and most important battle, is the one to win over the mass public.

[The Z-Man]

True, yet there will be reactionaries, that, well, need taking care of.

[RedStarMilitia]

Does the revolution have to be violent? can&#39;t we fight for reform with mass protesting, refusing to conform or striking?
Yet I do not know if these will get us anywhere. Still before miltiary action we should try other methods, military I believe should be the last extreme resort. I do agree that the most important battle is to win the masses, with the masses will come power. We cannot decide which course to take until the majority are with us.

[Clarksist]

I got my first gun a year ago, and within a month I was a decent shot. Within a few more, I am proficient enough.

Do I intend to use that skill if revolution comes? Perhaps. But most revolutionary activity, even during revolution, is political and based in the mind.

[Organic Revolution]

i believe that violence should be combined with striking

[kurt]

Does the revolution have to be violent? can&#39;t we fight for reform with mass protesting, refusing to conform or striking?
Yes, mass strikes are crucial to revolutions. Mass protests and strikes will go hand in hand with the smashing of the state.


Yet I do not know if these will get us anywhere. Still before miltiary action we should try other methods, military I believe should be the last extreme resort. I do agree that the most important battle is to win the masses, with the masses will come power. We cannot decide which course to take until the majority are with us.
Exactly. Violence should be our last option, but unfortunately due to the nature of class society, it will be necessary. The bourgeoisie won&#39;t sit back and watch us paralyze their society, and then simply hand us over state-power. No, they will resist us to the very end. You can bet extreme police repression, use of the military, etc.

Violence is our last option, and should be avoided if possible. Unfortunately, it won&#39;t be possible. Pacifism is foolish, and naive.

[romanm]

Amerikkkan pigs aren&#39;t going to make revolution anytime soon. All your stupid agitating on behalf of parasitic labor aristocrats only fans the fires of fascism...

You think Amerikkkans should STIRKE?&#33;? For higher wages? As if their wages weren&#39;t already bloated due to superexploitation of the third world. You really think that PIG amerikkkans deserve a bigger piece of the pie?

[kurt]

Amerikkkan pigs aren&#39;t going to make revolution anytime soon. All your stupid agitating on behalf of parasitic labor aristocrats only fans the fires of fascism...
What the hell are you talking about? Spew some more BS please.


You think Amerikkkans should STIRKE?&#33;? For higher wages? As if their wages weren&#39;t already bloated due to superexploitation of the third world. You really think that PIG amerikkkans deserve a bigger piece of the pie?
Obviously you don&#39;t believe in world-wide worker&#39;s solidarity. Otherwise you wouldn&#39;t make such baseless comments. Is the the blue-collar American worker&#39;s fault that the bourgeoisie in his country are superexploiting third-world countries? Not at all. You act like all Americans are paid good wages, and have a great life. That&#39;s a pretty pathetic assertion. Seeing as how the minimum wage can be as low as 5.50&#036; in the US, and how there is still homelessness, ghettos, etc. This is all going on while American based companies like Halliburton are making billions off imperial war contracts.

I think you need to set aside your hatred towards America and turn it to the bourgeosie.

[Organic Revolution]

maoist bullshit.

[Guest]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:40 AM
Does the revolution have to be violent? can&#39;t we fight for reform with mass protesting, refusing to conform or striking?
Yet I do not know if these will get us anywhere. Still before miltiary action we should try other methods, military I believe should be the last extreme resort. I do agree that the most important battle is to win the masses, with the masses will come power. We cannot decide which course to take until the majority are with us.
You are about how that for the revolution to actually comence we willl need that support of the masses. But i dont not think there is anyway for a peaceful revolution to accure. Not only dose the goverment not listin to any peaceful protest but i am shore that thay will not listin to any sort of large peaceful gathering. Sadly i think violince is the only way the goverment would listin to us.

[slim]

What is your obsession with firearms? We dont need them as much as we need publc support or more importantly- moral force.

[Organic Revolution]

i have no obsession with fire arms in all honsety.. i just think everyone should know how to use and take care of one.

[slim]

True. However, we should not be asking these kind of questions. We should be asking about opinions of the left and how to improve them. About how to wield hand weapons. About how to disarm police and the military. About how to disable enemy vehicles.

[Pawn Power]

can&#39;t we fight for reform with mass protesting, refusing to conform or striking?

We are not fighting for reform we are fightinhg for REVOLUTION.


i have no obsession with fire arms in all honsety.. i just think everyone should know how to use and take care of one.

That is an arbitrary and reckless statement. Why should everyone know how to use a gun? When you say something like that you dissregard other comrades purpose.

The first battle to be won is in the mind.

[Paradox]

The first battle to be won is in the mind.

True. Without mass support firearms will be useless.


Violence should be our last option, but unfortunately due to the nature of class society, it will be necessary. The bourgeoisie won&#39;t sit back and watch us paralyze their society, and then simply hand us over state-power. No, they will resist us to the very end. You can bet extreme police repression, use of the military, etc.

Exactly. Violence in defense of the revolution will be unavoidable. Hopefully, as little violence as possible will occur, but physical conflict is inevitable.

To answer the original question, I have an SKS, I&#39;ve used my father&#39;s Mauser M48 rifle and his Makarov 9mm pistol, as well as his friend&#39;s .308 rifle. If a revolution occurs and I&#39;m ever in a position where I have to defend myself or my comrades, I&#39;ll be out there with my rifle. Once the violence ceases, much as I like my rifle, I&#39;d give it up, as there would no longer be any use for it, except maybe hunting, but that wouldn&#39;t be necessary either, and would probably be frowned upon.


That is an arbitrary and reckless statement. Why should everyone know how to use a gun? When you say something like that you dissregard other comrades purpose.

Obviously not everyone should have a firearm. Children, people with disabilities which prevent them from properly handling a firearm, etc., aren&#39;t going to have them. People old enough and capable to properly use and maintain firearms can have them. Those who are willing to take up that responsibility as armed defenders of the revolution will have them. It&#39;s a choice individuals make, not something that "everyone should have or do."

[Paradox]

EDIT: Posted twice by accident. Post deleted.

[AK47]

I attended a 10000 person protest. I stood between 3 nuns and 2 marines. We circled the local federal building. Yet on that day, the local news had no mention of local news. Now a Local protest of 60 or so people when a police officer has a heart attack and dies. That is news. Lesson Learned?&#33;&#33;&#33;



Oh, and all you people who think these pompus, power hungry, neo-con, fascist pig, ass wipes are going to be perswaded with anything less than a 12gage in their face are just gouing to have to get used to the idea of disapointment.

[viva le revolution]

Well i got a Kalashnikov(ak-47) assault rifle. locally-manufactured. just 8000 pkr. (&#036;1=60pkr)

[rage master]

I am ready willing and able to fight when the revelation comes I have knolage of fire arms but I prefer the use of hand weapons ( I own a colt 1911 and a .22 ruger ) :ph34r:

[AK47]

Please don&#39;t get me wrong, I prey to whatever God may exist or not in hopes that another way might pose itself. As of right now, however, all the signs are not looking all that good. It is a matter of ideology. These people actually believe in hierarchy. They believe it to be holy and good. Religion is a weapon of the corporate elite. Convinced of their cause, these people will not be persuaded with acts, or logic, or compassion.


Now, I am talking about the leaders of the corporate feudal state, and their pawns, not the average run of the mill lemming/sheeple. Oh there is a lot of potential support there. Go out, volunteer, join local organizations (revolutionary or not) Let them see what a Revolutionary rely looks like. Disband the preconceived notions fostered by the corporate owned media. While I am sure at least one bullet will have to fly, this way maybe no more will be needed.

[d-e-f-i-a-n-c-e]

the &#39;revolution&#39; is not comming anytime soon. period.

[AK47]

Is that defiance or the-fence I can&#39;t be sure.

[AK47]

Hell with firearmes. Get some non-lethal weapons. That gun that shoots out a foam that sticks people together would be a wonderful pre-empt to a nice big rally infront of town hall. Now that is entertainment&#33;

[d-e-f-i-a-n-c-e]

AK47...how old are you?......just having the name of a famous assault rifle as your s/n and having pictures of che or w.e in your room doesnt make you revolutionary.....having a revolution is not an easy thing...people die......and unless you&#39;re a sadist bastard....you wouldnt find the experience very entertaining....and a revolution with non lethal weapons? this isnt some school yard fight....it&#39;s a REVOLUTION...and btw...it&#39;s pretty much defiance..unless you read it some other special way....

[viva le revolution]

The revolution will only come through violence and struggle. The capitalists will not give up their wealth and dominance just because of arguements or peaceful demonstrations. That&#39;s why it&#39;s called revolution and not "peaceful commie parade"

[slim]

Although Northern Ireland was a sectarian struggle we could use its example to learn from their mistakes and successes.

The civil rights marches of NICRA soon developed into full scale rioting because the nationalists felt alienated by the pro-orange government in Stormont. This led to the plea for British troops and that made it worse over time.

Look at the tactics of the Ballymurphy IRA with Gerry Adams. Genius. He let the riots happen and held some of his own men at gunpoint and tied them up to stop them helping the catholic fighters. The riot lasted for four days and buried a hatred of the British in the local area. Thousands of people carried that feeling. If the IRA had interviened then the gunbattle would have lasted a few hours and the people would not care as much. It is argued by many that the IRA was saved from defeat because of that action.

[rage master]

i agree with viva le revolution when the revolution comes it will not be peace full they will not give up with out a fight and ether will I who’s with me :ph34r:

[Victory_Or_Death]

Hey guys & gals....
may be none of my business (as i&#39;m not too educated on communism etc..)
but shouldn&#39;t a rebellion/revolution start with the schools and education system?
everyone says communism is bad when they either don&#39;t know what it is or it is given a bad stigma by senile asswipes who were afraid of the whole "Domino theory" (if your from N.Z of Aus. you probably know what i&#39;m talking about). I think people should be taught about it in a non-biased ay without either view being shoved down their throat so that they can make their own minds up.
may sound hippie-ish but consider it.

[RedAnarchist]

Domino Theory? Is that where the Americans thought that countries would start toppling and becoming communist one after another, and as a result invaded Vietnam? Thats what i know from GCSE History anyway.

Its is far better to teach rather than indoctrinate, you&#39;re right. Someone who is brainwashed or forced into fighting for something they belive in isn&#39;t doing it in order to liberate the workers, they are doing it as the puppet of someone who wishes to gain limitless power.

[Victory_Or_Death]

your exactly right that is...
russia spreads communism to china... to vietnam and korea... to south east asia then to australia and New Zealand. but the funny thing is... is that if everyone is so petrified of communism, how can there be a communist uprising? it&#39;s really uite dumb.
Also thanks very much for your positive reply i have entered sites like thais before and simply been told to "f*** off" because i&#39;m only a "kid" so thanks very much.

[viva le revolution]

Well you won&#39;t find that attitude here. We are all here to learn. Thats the point of a discussion. Age does not matter.
Well true brainwashing is common in the education system. But there are a few who see through it. it is their duty to raise awareness among their communities.No one here is an "expert" on communism. That&#39;s why these sites are there for us to learn.

[AK47]

For Defiance

1. No picture of Che, but I did read his book. Guerilla Warfare.

2. Look at my first post in the luonge. And my age will become apparent to you.

3. There comes a time when it is better to die fighting against an intolerable world than live in that world complacently. I thought I might find others with the same mentality here.

4. Oh, I have no love of the idea that my world is so in the grip of capitalist greed mongers, and that the only way out is to wage war. It sickens me. What has become of democracy? It has fallen along with justice and equality. A new order has risen, and it is a dark and malevolent one. But there is one thing that gives me hope. I see the desperation in the eyes of our leaders. (except Bush, but he can&#39;t even pronounce the word, so what does he know) I think this may be the death throws of an empire.

[Victory_Or_Death]

to viva le revolution...
thanks also for your positive reply...
and i have tried to educate my fellow classmates (in a non-biased way, of course) about communism giving pro&#39;s and con&#39;s (more pro&#39;s) but they remain adamant that communism is bad blah blah. i can&#39;t seem to change their viewpoints or political standings, any suggestions?

[bunk]

What description are you giving them of communism? The true stateless, classless society which is free of money run with a gift economy or the capitalist version of communism?

[gewehr_3]

I am proficient with g3,sks,mosin nagant, enfield, mini 14 ,all pistols, all shotguns, and i can figure a gun out and how to strip it down within 5 minutes of looking at it plus we go on excursions into the wilderness every weekend and we do the basic menuvering

[Victory_Or_Death]

i gave them the proper version, like
*no classes
*everybody works as best they can
*everybody gets what they need for a comfortable life etc.
however i think that my friends may just be a bunch of capitalist pigs that just want to get rich while half the world starves, i&#39;m not sure

[AK47]

and i have tried to educate my fellow classmates (in a non-biased way, of course) about communism giving pro&#39;s and con&#39;s (more pro&#39;s) but they remain adamant that communism is bad blah blah. i can&#39;t seem to change their viewpoints or political standings, any suggestions




Just my two cents, VoD. but I do not think you will be getting too many recruits from your classmates. The public education system is too lemming minded, especially for the working class pupil. I think the best you can do is shake their faith in the sources that they hold dear. Have opposing conclusions about historical events (Howard Zinn&#39;s book "Peoples History of the United States" is a good source). Use sources that are as close to first person as possible again Zinn&#39;s Book is good, a bit large, like it was written by a college professor most probably because it was. This will sow the seeds of disillusionment. Once that happens it is just amatter of time.

[Victory_Or_Death]

Thanks Ak i&#39;ll have a scrounge around for the book.