What is Burgiouse? (sp)

[C_Rasmussen]

I have seen it around plenty of times and wonder what it means?

[Enragé]

those who get their money from selling other peoples labour.

for instance: a boss does not produce anything, he doesnt add anything to the production process, the workers do. Well if the boss doesnt produce anything how can he get the money to survive? From selling his workers labour, by giving a worker a tenth of the money he gets from selling the things that that particular worker made.

[OleMarxco]

By the way, it's french and means merchant-class/owner-class. It's correct spelling is; "Burgerouise" - Only glad to help ;)

[slim]

I see it spelt as bourgeoise ;) damn leftists cant make up their minds.

[Palmares]

Bourgeois/Bourgeoisie <_<


Originally posted by Wikipedia+--> (Wikipedia)`Bourgeois (boorz&#39;hwäz-ee´) in modern use refers to the wealthy classes in a capitalist society. It is a French word, derived from the Italian borghesia (from borgo, village, in turn from Greek pyrgos). A borghese, then, was a freeman of a burgh or town. The word evolved to mean merchants and traders, and later on referred to all persons in the broad socioeconomic spectrum between nobility and serfs.[/b]


Wikipedia
In Karl Marx&#39;s class struggle theories, bourgeoisie is defined as the class in a commodity-producing capitalist society which owns the means of production; the term is effectively the same as "capitalists." However, Marx himself distinguished between "functioning capitalists" actually managing enterprises, and "mere coupon-clippers" earning property rents or interest-income. Marxism sees the proletariat (wage laborers) and bourgeoisie as directly waging an ongoing competition, in that capitalists exploit workers and workers try to resist exploitation.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

A classic example of a bourgeois would be Bill Gates.

They (the capitalist class) own the means of production (shops, factories, etc). So if you see a guy in your neighborhood in a common store, and is directing a worker (a person who own wages), then he is most likely a bourgeoisie, but not neccesarily. Sometimes the capitalist class hire workers to do their job. They are responsible for directing the workers. They might as well earn wages, but they are directing and controlling the other workers. In orthodox theory, these are (if I remember correctly), considered bourgeoisie, because of their relation to the means of production. Am I right or wrong (this is not a rhetoretical question)?



The ones that does not hire labor, but still are still dependent on profit as a means of surivival, are considered petty-bourgeois.


Am I right when I say:
Bourgeois - The capitalist class
Bourgeoisie - Member of the capitalist class


?

[slim]

But we must also note that the bourgeiose does not include managers.

The managerial class all have to work for a living and are essentially working class but with a better wage packet. The bosses of managers are usually bourgeoise as they have less duties and considerably more cash. In Britain the average CEO earns 18 times more than the average worker and in the US. a CEo earns at least 25 times more.

You notice the bourgeoise if you see them.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

You notice the bourgeoise if you see them.

Not neccesarily. I know several bourgeoisie people who look like an ordinary working class guy/girl.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by NWOG+--> (NWOG)Am I right when I say:
Bourgeois - The capitalist class
Bourgeoisie - Member of the capitalist class[/b]

No. Haha. I had it wrong before...


Slim
But we must also note that the bourgeiose does not include managers.

I am not so sure.

Contemporary economic structures have turned out somewhat different to Marx&#39;s predictions, and hence his terminology may not be the most accurate in describing that of which exists in modern capitalist society.

Petty-bourgeois maybe?

[Enragé]

Bourgeois - The capitalist class
Bourgeoisie - Member of the capitalist class

The other way around;
A bourgeois
The bourgeoisie

[Palmares]

Oops. I stand corrected. :lol:

[kurt]

Managers are employed by the ruling clas to control the proletariat. These are petty-bourgeoisie. While they do not own the means of production, and have to sell thier labour, their labor is devoted to ensuring that the proletariat works efficiently for the bourgeois class.

[workersunity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 06:29 AM
By the way, it&#39;s french and means merchant-class/owner-class. It&#39;s correct spelling is; "Burgerouise" - Only glad to help ;)
where the hell did you get that spelling?

its a french word and its Bourgeoisie, or for short Bourgeois

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 08:08 AM
those who get their money from selling other peoples labour.

for instance: a boss does not produce anything, he doesnt add anything to the production process, the workers do. Well if the boss doesnt produce anything how can he get the money to survive? From selling his workers labour, by giving a worker a tenth of the money he gets from selling the things that that particular worker made.
The bourgiouse buys labour, the worker sells their labour.

[Enragé]

buys it at a low price, then sells it at a high price

raw materials are made into a product by the worker, the bourgeois sells it and gets the money. Since the bourgeois didnt make the product, and thus didnt add anything to the value of the original raw materials, he in fact sells the labour of the workers.