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Latin America
19th June 2005, 07:18
What is this that I hear in the US that under the patriot act the government could be able to get a report on what books you get from a library and what books you buy from the bookstore. This is big rigth, just imagine the goverment could know your political stance and your religious beliefs, not to mention that your privacy!!!

What do you guys think about this?

Organic Revolution
19th June 2005, 07:47
well as there isnt much revolutionary literature in my local library im not worried.

but yes, its freigtening

JazzRemington
19th June 2005, 07:54
I read recently that they were forbidden to do this by the House.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/15/pat...s.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/15/patriotact.libraries.ap/index.html)

Latin America
19th June 2005, 14:24
House limits Patriot Act rules on library records

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Advocates of rewriting the USA Patriot Act are claiming momentum after the House, despite a White House veto threat, voted to restrict investigators from using the anti-terrorism law to peek at library records and bookstore sales slips.

Wednesday's 238-187 vote came as lawmakers ramped up efforts to extend the Patriot Act, which was passed quickly in the emotional aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. When Congress passed the law, it included a sunset provision under which 15 of its provisions are to expire at the end of this year.

Since the Patriot Act passed, liberals and libertarian-oriented conservatives have pressed for changes, citing privacy and civil liberties concerns. The administration has said weakening of the act would draw a veto from President Bush.

"No question, this is a real shot in the arm for those of us who want to make changes to the USA Patriot Act," said Rep. Bernard Sanders, I-Vermont, sponsor of the provision that would curtail the government's ability to investigate the reading habits of terror suspects. He said the vote would help "rein in an administration intent on chipping away at the very civil liberties that define us as a nation."

The vote reversed a narrow loss last year by lawmakers concerned about the potential invasion of privacy of innocent library users. They narrowed the proposal this year to permit the government to continue to seek out records of Internet use at libraries.

The House is debating a $57.5 billion bill covering the departments of Commerce, Justice and State. The Senate has yet to act on the measure, and GOP leaders often drop provisions offensive to Bush in final negotiations.

The Justice Department said in a letter to lawmakers that as of March 30, federal investigators had not used the Patriot Act to obtain library or bookstore records but that the authority provides "an important tool for investigating and intercepting terrorism."

"It bodes well that the first vote Congress has taken on the Patriot Act this year has been in favor of liberty and freedom," said Gregory Nojeim, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Supporters of rolling back the library and bookstore provision said that the law gives the FBI too much leeway to go on fishing expeditions based on what people read. Innocent people could get tagged as potential terrorists based on what they check out from a library, critics said.

"If the government suspects someone is looking up how to make atom bombs, go to a court and get a search warrant," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York.

Supporters of the Patriot Act countered that the rules are potentially useful and argued that the House was voting to make libraries safe havens for terrorists.

"If there are terrorists in libraries studying how to fly planes, how to put together biological weapons, how to put together chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, ... we have to have an avenue through the federal court system so that we can stop the attack before it occurs," said Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Florida.

Last year, a similar provision was derailed by a 210-210 tie after several Republicans were pressured to switch votes. In the meantime, a number of libraries have begun disposing of patrons' records quickly so they won't be available if sought under the law.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told Congress in April that the government has never used the provision to obtain library, bookstore, medical or gun sale records.

But when asked whether the administration would agree to exclude library and medical records from the law, Gonzales demurred. "It should not be held against us that we have exercised restraint," he said.

Authorities have gained access to records through voluntary cooperation from librarians, Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller said.




Thanks JazzRemington!!!

anonymous red
19th June 2005, 15:39
thankfully there are some people in gov't who aren't completely insane.

The Z-Man
19th June 2005, 17:38
Uh-oh. Books I've recently bought (last year or so)

Communist Manifesto
Capital 1 and 2
Guerrilla Warefare
Our Words are our Weapons
Lenin (bio)
Che (bio)
Hegemony or Survival



I don't think they'll be pleased with that.

anonymous red
19th June 2005, 17:53
i took a class on marxism at uni that inlcluded:

the portable marx
empire
capital
from marx to gramsci