1000 Che

[Che Entifada]

Sometimes i feel that there is 1000 Che .. not similar 100% , but have strong ideas and thoughts ... there r many like him.
One of them , is a palestinian called (Yehia Ayyash) , he was an engineer and a member of the Resistance Movement (Hamas) .. he worked with the other to figth the Occupation (Israel) , and he did well (he was the bombmaker).
Isreal tried many many times to kill him , but he succssed to run away in the last moments.
But in 1995 he was assassinated by Israel .

But i think when he died .. a 1000 Yehia Ayyash was born..

[IHP]

i think that che would certainly have accepted such brave men as his comrades. anyone who fights soldiers, armed to the teeth, with stones are courageous men (and children!) must truly believe in their cause.

--IHP

[LeninCCCP]

Kill all the capitalist israeli pigs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluerev002]

NOT IN INDIO THERE ISNT

[new democracy]

why do you say he was a hero? i am not a zionist, but the hamas is killing innocent citizens!!!

[cynical]

israel is agresor in this case,but that doesn`t give those suicide jerks right to kill inocent people

[Che Entifada]

innocent citizens!!! WOW ... whats up man? i think it would be better to keep silent .. I`ll tell u why :

1. Do u know that everybody in what is called (isreal) whom is over the age 16 are (spare) soldiers?
2. Do u know that 5 from 100 r in the Army?
3. Do u know that before that 1948 war the Jews percentage was less than 3 % that means in every 100 person there were 97 palestinian and 3 jews ??
4. Do u know that there is over 7 million palestinian outside Palestine r forbidden to come to Palestine ??
5. Do u know that the arab have lived in Palestine since 4000 years ago??
6. Do u know that 40 % of the jews in what is called (israel) were not jews before 1948 ?? but they became jews to be able to come to what is called (israel) to run away from eastern europe ???
7. Do u know that many israelian archeologists admitted that there is no evidents showing that sometime there were a jewish country in Palestine and for many many centuries the jews were forbidden entering Palestine !! why?? coz they were all the time doing wrong things in thier countries .
8. Do u know that before the 1948 war the palestinians were helping the arab jews and there was nothing wrong between the both .


So when the original ppl of a country do
such as things ... ITS THIER RIGHT

new democracy .. i dont blame u .. but its worng not to say the Truth ..

[cynical]

abot man as che:he was a great man,but i think that gandhi,mandela and m.l. king had bether way for dealing with problems.other cool rebel warriors(like che):Zapata,Matija Gubec(croatian peasant who led a revolt against lanlords-when he was captured those motherfuckers put a heated crown on his head)

[Reuben]

ND is right. LENINCCCP how unmarxist are you. do you know what a capitalist is? 'Kill the capitalist israeli pigs'
Your chatting crap. How can you promote capital punishment againsta whole national group. A capitalist is somebody who owns the means of production, they are not defined by their nationality.

PS like ND iam an Anti-zionist.

[Che Entifada]

They r HEROS .. not like the israeli soldiers , they wear 100000 armor , and they use the newest weapons and kill who ???? man they shoot the children .. u must be shame of ur self , CHILDREN !! Oh ..
Another thing .. Mr.new democracy ... EVERY PIG IN MY OCCUPIED COUNTRY , ITS MY RIGHT TO CICK HIM OUT WHENEVER I WANT . As the Heros in Lebanon did (HIZBOALLAH) ..

Man .. before writing any thing .. go and read some books to know where do u live ..

[Che Entifada]

(((whole national group))) ... Listen all , the (israelians) r not a nation ..

In 1948 the jews came from all over the world thinking that it will be a pice of cake .. they came from different countries , and as i said 40% were not jews.

So as a result , they r not a nation .. unlike the palestinians , they r part of the arab isalamic nation ..

[Che Entifada]

And i want to say another thing..
There is differents between a well-armed Army , and a Resistance Movement that uses simple weapons , most of it`s weapons are Hand-made by thier Engineers.
Thier weapons r bombs , simple rockets -up to 15km- and things like that.

Another point , Arafat doesnt represent our ppl inside Palestine or outside ..
And i am sure 100 % as most israelians know that if Arafat somehow go ... (israel) will be SURLY in big problem ..

[Che Entifada]

(israel) is 100 % built in Racialism ... How :

1. (israel) was built by Racialism Movement which is the zionist.
2. There is a law in (israel) called (Return Law) says ==that every jew in the world has the right to come back to (israel)== .. in the sametime , the arabs (original ppl of the land) cant !!
3. The citizenship Law , its says == Any one in the world who come to (israel) as a jew even he/she was born outside (israel) before or after 1948 can has the citizenship , UNLESS he/she was a palestinain before that==
4. Land Laws , there is about 6 laws restrict the palestinians to have a land .. or even build a home !!!

These r the most important racialism laws in what is called (israel) ..

[DORRI]

viva palestine
viva intifada
viva hamas
viva jehad
free palestine from jordan river to the sea
death to israel
these are my compatriots' slogans today in all cities in iran.
i think if che was alive he considered palestine as the main battlefield with imperialism

[Reuben]

maybe you should do something about the lack of freedom for secularists and homosexuals in Iran

[Che Entifada]

Hey Reuben ..
First , we r talking about Palestine here .. not about u ..OPS , i mean about the homosexual ..
Another thing, the matter of Homosexual is different from area to area , Here in the east its strange and rarely to find a homosexual , and in my opinion , THEY R ASSHOLES

ops .. sorry Reuben !!

[LOIC]

"Here in the east its strange and rarely to find a homosexual , and in my opinion , THEY R ASSHOLES "

Che Entifada your ideas suck.
You are a stupid piece of shit.

[Che Entifada]

LOIC .. I am not interested in what u think ..
But i`ll explain y the homosexual r not -welcomed- in East in general and in the Islamic world ..

In Islam (that most ppl dont know a thing about) tells muslims that its forbidden to be a homosexaul for many reasons , also its not familiar to find homosexaul there.
In addtion ... i dont even imagine that a human having sex with another on from the same sex .. ITS SUCK
Another important thing i would say to the FUCK LOIC that because 90% of ppl in the Isalmic world r muslims so -----> any one who has a brain (unlike FUCKED LOIC) would easly know that its forbidden as a muslim and as a human to be a homosexual.


hey LOIC , i was born in France , and i know how ppl there look to the homosexauls ...

with all my respects !!

[Che Entifada]

Listen every body ... lets dont change the MAIM SUBJECT .


We r talking about palestine , israel and men like CHE .. so lets return to our subject..

[Reuben]

Quote: from Che Entifada on 6:27 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
Hey Reuben ..
First , we r talking about Palestine here .. not about u ..OPS , i mean about the homosexual ..
Another thing, the matter of Homosexual is different from area to area , Here in the east its strange and rarely to find a homosexual , and in my opinion , THEY R ASSHOLES

ops .. sorry Reuben !!


Look your obviously mentally deficient. I dont know if your trying to insult e calling me gay but it really is a pretty pathetic line of argument and one which is indicative of your stupidity.

For those who think tht people should take the lves of anyone who happens to be israeli go to http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html and have a look at some of our comrades who you are preaching death to. AND PLEASE to do not just say 'theyre a mnority, the majority arent like that' if you support indiscriminate killings the people who suffer may be zionists but they may just as well be comrades like them

[LOIC]

"Another important thing i would say to the FUCK LOIC that because 90% of ppl in the Isalmic world r muslims so -----> any one who has a brain (unlike FUCKED LOIC) would easly know that its forbidden as a muslim and as a human to be a homosexual. "

I don't understand your arguments. Your religion don't accept homosexuality so homosexuality is forbidden for every people in the world(even if they don't are muslims).
Do what you want but accept that other people do what they want too.
Tolerance. Maybe you should open a dictionary to see what it means.

[Che Entifada]

Wanna ask one question .. Do u think that Palestine which all r talking about is just Gazza and 78% of western bank ?
Man .. the ppl who r dying every day , and fight the Occupation r dying for Palestine , 100% of Palestine .. and i think u know that there is an Occupation in Palestine .. so all of them r enemies ..

You seems to me Reuben admired with some israelians , i dont say thats wrong .. but let him/her remember that they r living in an occupied country and that thier fathers and mothers came from another country ... just let them remember that ..

[Che Entifada]

to LOIC .. sorry for what i`ve said about u .
What i want to say , that (Reuben) said to the other guy from Iran that he should care about the Homosexual not about Palestine ... i didnt get it then .. we were talking about palestine , why (Reuben) talked about Homosexaul in Iran !!!!
Another thing my friend , that i didnt mean the Homosexauls all over the world , coz they live in countries allow them to be as they want.
So .... (Reuben) talked about the homosexaul IN IRAN ... and i answered him also about them IN IRAN :)
so that i talked about islam and bla bla bla ....

Not a problem :)
We r talking to each other to have new info and free our minds ..

Thats all ..

[LOIC]

"to LOIC .. sorry for what i`ve said about u ."

Yeah man.
No problem.
But I still believe what I've said is right.
Anyway, peace.

[new democracy]

Che Entifada, you are one a disgusting fuck. israel immigration laws are racist, but the same goes to killing innocent civilians. and you should know that in israel you become a soldier when you are 18 years old and 16. second, how many of this people have killed innocent civilians? they may have been in wars, but if they killed someone in those wars there is a good chance they killed people because those people were armed and threatened there lives. i will not say that in that wars all the people that got killed were armed soldiers and in the people that got killed by israel there were innocent civilians, there is no justification to killing people unless it is self defence. in my country people are afraid to go to night clubs. let me ask you question: are you one of those pricks that want to deport all israelis? if you are, you are a fucking racist that should be banned. i understand where you come from, but this is disgusting. and i do support the right of palestinians refugees to return.

[Che Entifada]

You didnt get it yet ..
Do u support palestinians rights???? How and u live in thier country ?! Do u support the palestinians rights???? How and u r supporting the israeli Army by paying taxs ... Do u know that 31% of the (israel) money is gone on buying weapons??
U r supporting the palestinians just to take the lands the were occupied in 1967 .... what about the rest ??? what about the lands u occupied in 1948 ?? is it urs now?? Do u know that all the new generations want to take back thier home land? U think that we will forget it?

sorry to tell u ... NO WE WONT

[new democracy]

about paying tax, i am 17 years old(almost 18)so i still don't pay taxes. second, in every country, not paying taxes is something that put you in jail. i do support the solution pf creating one democratic secular republic in all palestine, but i don't think i or any other israeli should be deported.

[Che Entifada]

"they killed people because those people were armed and threatened there lives" ..

WOW , if someone came from another country well-armed , and has a full support from the 1st army in the world (England .. in that period) and want to kick u out from ur land .. and from ur country , and then enter the villages and start killing everyone (do u want me to say what u had done in Dair Yassin?) .. do u call this israeli innocent ???
Okey .. u took the land and kicked most palestinians out , okey .. now what i shill do .. shill i say , (Oh , i cant kill them , they r innocents , its okey .. i dont want my land)!!! if u say yes .. u r dreaming , so wake up .. u r in Hell now.
There is no civilians in (israel) , all of u r not from Palestine , u came from another place ... so go back there , after that i have no right to kill any one of u.

Do u want to solve Palestine case ???
Okey .. I will tell u how :

1. Let the 5 million israelian return to europe and usa and the other countries which they came from
2. Keep the 4000 arab jews in Palestine .. coz before u came to Palestine , there were just 4000 jews.
3. Let the 7 million palestinian return to Palestine.
4. Now .. its the same situation as in 1948 before the occupation.
5. Now make a vote ... do we (the palestinians) want u to come to our land or not.

I think this is fair for us , and for u ..
I will say yes just for u :)

[Che Entifada]

just one question ..
From where r u? not now , i mean before 1948 ...

[new democracy]

with no offence, i didn't understand much of what you said because you are talking like "u" instead of you and other spelling mistakes. but the part i did understood make me mad. why should i be deported? what did i do? i don't think anyone of the people here should be deported because they are already live here. i don't support the current immigration laws, but i don't think the people here should be deported.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Che Entifada on 9:42 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
just one question ..
From where r u? not now , i mean before 1948 ...

i was born in 1,985, and my grandfather from my mother side came in 1,924 from poland(remember that jews in poland suffered from anti semite discrimination), my grandmother from my mother side came in 1,939 from poland after it was conquered by the nazis, my grandmother from my father side lived in poland and ran away to the ussr in 1,939, and after the end of the war she came to israel(and the same goes to my grandfather from my father side).

[Che Entifada]

Now you dont understand ?! Funny ..
Look kid .. I will say it simply :
We -the palestinians- live in Palestine since 4000 years ago , this is well known , and some History books says since 3000 years ago .
What does this mean ???? mmmmmmmm
That means we live in Palestine even Before there was something Called JEW ..
Another fact :
The people of what is called (israel) live in Palestine since 54 year ago ...
Which one is bigger 5000 or 54 ... ha kid???????

We are who lived in that land 5000 years .. so its our right to get back from you -the israelians-.

Got it now kid???????????????????

[new democracy]

it is your right to return, but that doesn't mean all israelis should be deported.

[Che Entifada]

mmmm .. if a guest come to you , and kick you out of your home and took it .. what would you do?
Any way .. i want to say something to you ..
My father and his father and his grand father and his grand grand father and .... etc are from PALESTINE .
We are 100 % palestinians .. so one more time i will say it , THIS LAND IS FOR US , AND ITS NOT YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A LAND THAT IS NOT YOURS.

Think about it ...

[new democracy]

listen you shmuck, i was born here. i know the people that came here stole land, but it would be immoral to kick someone that already lives here. second the guy you are talking about is no hero, he is just a baby killer.

[Reuben]

ND has already shown that his family didnt go there cos they felt like kicking someone out. They went there as refugees due to the terrible persecution they were sufferring. I do not deny that the zionist movement committed horrible crimes but where were the jews supposed to go when the Nazis invaded and after the war. And why should ND be deported, do you think that Britian should deport all non-anglosaxon people.

ND your right he is shmuck and a shmendrick to boot :)

[new democracy]

i miss guerilla tactics. he was much more moderate and he wasn't a shmendrick like Che Entifada. i must see what kind of results he will get in the political compass test :biggrin:

[Reuben]

Yeah guerilla tactics was a really nice guy. I miss him too

[new democracy]

back to the topic. which kind of people are the same as che? i would say that daniel ortega and augusto sandino.

[IHP]

leninCCCP - "Kill all the capitalist israeli pigs!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
mate, whats with that?

on the topic, someone similar to che.....hmmmm....

i would say that Aung Sang Suu Kyi, not in the sense of guerrilla fighting, just that she is has an iron will, the same as che.

--IHP

[Che Entifada]

"it would be immoral to kick someone that already lives here" .. mmm , and why the israelians kicked the palestinians?

Listen both of you (ND & Reuben) ..
If really the israelians want to live in Democrtic country with palestinians , all together , without blood and destruction , in your opinions .. how can it happen ??
I and most the palestinians say :
Let the 7 million palestinian come back to Palestine (I mean the two sections 67 and 48) , after that we make a Vote , Both of us , the israelians and the palestinians , to make the real democatic country without any differnces between us .. how about that ???

Waiting your replies ..

[Reuben]

Agree completely!

[Che Entifada]

Good .. But do you think that the israelian government would agree ?! this is the main thing in the whole case .
And if the dont agree .. what the palestinians should do ?

[Angie]

Quote from New Democracy:
but the hamas is killing innocent citizens!!!That would be because it's generally accepted these days that Hamas are a creation of the Mossad, used to stir up trouble when it's needed the most. Next time Hamas causes any explosions in Israeli territory, I urge you to watch where the Israelis hit back in return. It is never in Hamas territory. Funny that. This post is brought to you by the letters P, S, and the phrase Political Sabotage.

[new democracy]

Angie, i did not support israeli state terrorism. and yes, hamas was supported(in the start)by israel. that doesn't mean there acts shouldn't be condemned.

[Che Entifada]

hahahaha ..
Now Hamas is an israeli work .. mmm , ND : (israel) dont need a small movement like hamas to do what it is doing and what it did ... you know that ..
Am afraid that tomorrow ND will say that (Hizballah) was started by (israel) !!!
Anyways ... if what is called (israel) really want peace , it will first stop the everyday-killing then let the 7 million palestinain go back to palestine ... in this case , neither Hamas nor Jihad will do anything ...

(israel) is built in racialism , and it wants to controll the country .. so if the palestinians come back to thier homeland -PALESTINE- , they will share them leading the country (it wont be called israel surely) ..
And i am sure that more than 75% will leave the country , because 40 % of the nowadays jews werent jews before 50 years ..

[new democracy]

hamas was invented by israel!!! israel helped ahmad yasin and made his movement(the islamic center)ligell, against the plo. in 1,988 the islamic center become the hamas.

[Che Entifada]

yeah yeah yeah .. and (hizbollah) too !!!!
(israel) always claims such as these things , all the time i read such as these shits !!
Anyways .. I dont think that they invented (Eiz al din Al-Qassam) too :) !!

[new democracy]

i chose the wrong words. it was invented, but it was supported by israel.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Instead of helping his own ppl, Khomeini donated millions to Hezbollah and reconstructed Lebanon while Iranian families died in the streets out of starvation and basic living expenses so dont say Hezbollah is good. And another point, Hezbollah has created a taliban like state in Iran, erradicating any sign of freedom and brought Iran into blunder. So never come up and say hezbollah is good.

[Che Entifada]

ok .. assume what you`ve said is right -i doubt - , Does (israel) control it till now ?? and if so , why it cant stops the Attacks ??

[Cassius Clay]

Che Intifiada, Isreal set up Hamas in the mid 90's to stir up and cause trouble for the PLO and Arafat. Have you everh heard of the story of Frankenstine?

More to the point the fact that Isreal set up Hamas is something you will NOT be hearing from either side. Both sides have reason to keep it quiet and it will likely become buried over the next few years as the fighting gets worse.

BTW Hamas is now more powerful than the PLO if I'm not mistaken. Mainly because of Isreal shooting and arresting all those loyal to Arafat and driving the average Palestinian towards Hamas. If a PLO commander actually told his troops to arrest a member of Hamas then he would quickly be dead. Quite where I'm going with this I don't know so I will end with the following.

Long live the Palestinian Resistance to Fascist Occupation.

Long live the Palestinian workers and interlectuals in their fight against Isreal and Arafat.

To the people of Isreal, I declare that surely you of all people must understand what Sharon is doing and how the Palestinians are suffering.

[new democracy]

Long live the Palestinian workers and interlectuals in their fight against Isreal and Arafat.

i agree with this statement 100%.

[Che Entifada]

mmmm .. it seems to me that Arafat playing well .. my opinion is different .. Arafat is unwanted by the palestinians , just as an advice , read more about him from the palestinian side .. not the israelian , all PLO headmasters and military leaders had been killed .. most of them in strange way , but he didnt .. !!
I am contacted with the palestinians in the both sections 67 and 48 .. and here where i live now (jordan) , and i know what he do , and how he control the financial affairs .. and how and who get these money ..
man .. the important palestinian politicals are ignored , there is many important points that are ignored ..
most of us , knows that he is founded by israelians

[new democracy]

yea, arafat is a bastard.

[Che Entifada]

at last .. we have the same opinion :) !!!

[new democracy]

yea, from what i heard he have 3 billion dollar in his personal account.

[Che Entifada]

realy? at least he can feed and teach the children of Gazza and Western bank ..

[new democracy]

i heard it from israeli intelligence report.