I love it when things go Kablooey

[resisting arrest with violence]

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[nody]

How is the death of people a good thing. Many of the marines who fight in the army, are forced, for many Americans the army is the only way to make money to support their families. Please do not think i support American foreign policies, i just don't see death as something to be celebrated.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 09:01 AM
How is the death of people a good thing. Many of the marines who fight in the army, are forced, for many Americans the army is the only way to make money to support their families. Please do not think i support American foreign policies, i just don't see death as something to be celebrated.
In the larger picture, the death of these occupiers is the means to an end, I understand the U$ maintains that they have a "volunteer" army, and that it is mostly people on the edges of society are most vulnerable to the recruiters. However, can you imagine what the govt would do if most of the soldiers refused to go to Iraq/Afghanistan? The govt isnt going to shoot everyone!

But seriously, I too celebrate a little when I hear of U$ soldiers being killed, it will end the occupation that much sooner. The U$ public is getting pretty hostile to their govt. Too many similarities to Vietnam and the loss there.

[anonymous red]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 16 2005, 11:24 AM
[QUOTE=nody,Jun 16 2005, 09:01 AM]
But seriously, I too celebrate a little when I hear of U$ soldiers being killed, it will end the occupation that much sooner. The U$ public is getting pretty hostile to their govt. Too many similarities to Vietnam and the loss there.
ah yes, how exciting it is when the working class is sent into battle by their bourgeois government. the vast majority of them are pawns in a game over which they have no control.

while popular support for the war in iraq is on the slide, i hardly think that the public here is becoming increasingly hostile to the government. in two years there have been less than 2,000 deaths in iraq. the u.s. suffered between 50-70,000 in the time spent in vietnam. we've hardly reached loss of life at those proportions. i wouldn't count on coalition troops leaving anytime soon.

[nody]

ah yes, how exciting it is when the working class is sent into battle by their bourgeois government. the vast majority of them are pawns in a game over which they have no control.

You made my poin, only 10 times better.

[resisting arrest with violence]

If you are saddened over these Amerikan deaths; at least you can take comfort in the fact that their deaths and the 17,000 Amerikan injured will teach those back home to stay away, thereby preventing even more casualties among Amerikan soldiers.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Why grievance for the soldiers death? Sure they might be workingclass, but why grieve for a WC'er who betrays and kills the workingclass for bourgeoisie interests? To compare; you wouldn't cry for a dead cop or fascist even though he might be workingclass?

Anyway, it's better if they get chronicly wounded instead of killed. A wounded soldier requires massive amounts of money to be taken care off, while a dead man hardly requires any costs at all. Plus a wounded soldier might "convert" to anti-war and be a living example of why not to go to war.

[anonymous red]

perhaps i am being too much of an idealist here, but i don't really think that many americans in the military sign up to fight for bourgeois interests. they sign up to get a job, go to school...stuff like that. they don't sign up to go over to iraq and afghanistan to help the united states government build a central asian pipeline. i understand that whether or not they intend to, they are still acting as the arm of the capitalists, but i really don't think they see it that way. being determines consciousness, no?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 16 2005, 09:24 AM
I understand the U$ maintains that they have a "volunteer" army
well that is a little misleading. most people in the army are poor and use the miitary to go to school and such

[viva le revolution]

What i don't understand is why this sudden outburst of emotion?
I mean when you send an army off to war, you know some will be killed. The war was opposed by the world even before it began, but the american public supported it still, no wmd's were found the world called the war a lie, but the majority of the american public supported it still. Now that troops are dying, they are suddenly crying out shame! didn't they know this was going to happen? did they believe they could fight another sovreign state without any casualties?
Sure the army is made up mainly of the working class, but the army is a tool of the capitalists and any losses it suffers only weakens capitalism. The american public and troops should have expected this going in, even when they joined the army!

[fernando]

What information do the American people get? That's right propaganda, these kids truly believe they are doing a good thing. I spoke to a bunch of US Navy guys 2 days ago (yes they were out in Rotterdam) and they told me about their views on this. This one kid joined up the army so he can feed his wife and son, these people do not join the army because they want to go to war, or agree with the war, but because they need to feed their families and survive. This is something that is seriously fucked up, the problem is not these soldiers, but the system/government that forces these kids to become soldiers.

You should realise that these people most of the time dont have that much other choices to survive...perhaps go out and sell drugs, become a prostitute..become a criminal, yup that is preferable to joining the army!

Blegh...capitalism sucks!