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resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 16:00
If you accept the role of the student you accept the role of the slave. The only reason you should be in college is to destroy it. College students are the vanguard of the revolution.

*edited for pointless use of a racist term


YKTMX

Colombia
14th June 2005, 16:04
You know what happens to those who quit. They become failures and achieve nothing in life. It is better that they grow more knowledgable in college so as to lead the revolution.

resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 16:10
There are alternative ways of getting a real education. In college the only eduKKKation you receive is to get ahead in the rat race.

Sir Aunty Christ
14th June 2005, 16:10
What are you on mate?

Education is necessity. If you take your view we'll go back to the situation in Britain before the war when only the elite (the wealthy or the aristocracy) could go to university. Fair enough there were a number of left-wing intellectuals created at that time but they were often than not rich boys and girls.

The first step towards revolution is education of the masses and that can't happen if the masses are full of drop-outs.

h&s
14th June 2005, 16:11
If you accept the role of the student you accept the role of the slave.
Learning is not slavery.


You are a n*****.
What the fuck do you mean by this? :angry:


The only reason you should be in college is to destroy it.
Or maybe to learn?

resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 16:51
What do they teach you in college? Hmmm? I-G-N-O-R-A-N-C-E You don't need anyone's help in order to be ignorant. Like Dr. Chomsky says, "Our whole system of education is one of imposed ignorance." If you want to learn, then log onto this forum. This will be your university. A college degree is useless. It is a waste of time, money and effort. The ideal college culture is so radically different than the real one in terms of education and opportunity. I know this because I went to school and I did not learn much. I didn't flunk out or have bad grades. It was just a waste of time. You can learn a lot just by reading on your own. Only in a communist society will students assume their proper role as students. Until then the student is a slave---a nigger.

Unsatisfied with your self-definition of the "word". Warning point added. Flame me if you want. (Fidelbrand)

Sir Aunty Christ
14th June 2005, 16:58
Originally posted by resisting arrest with [email protected] 14 2005, 03:51 PM
Like Dr. Chomsky says, "Our whole system of education is one of imposed ignorance."
How do you think he became Dr. Chomsky? If you don't agree with the system change it.

resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 17:04
Originally posted by Sir Aunty Christ+Jun 14 2005, 03:58 PM--> (Sir Aunty Christ @ Jun 14 2005, 03:58 PM)
resisting arrest with [email protected] 14 2005, 03:51 PM
Like Dr. Chomsky says, "Our whole system of education is one of imposed ignorance."
How do you think he became Dr. Chomsky? If you don't agree with the system change it. [/b]
Chomsky did not need a college degree to be what he was to become. How did Dr. Henry Kissinger become Dr. Henry Kissinger

LSD
14th June 2005, 17:05
Chomsky did not need a college degree to be what he was to become

um ...he didn't need training in linguistics to be a linguist?

He didn't need a PhD to become a professor at MIT?

Really?

fernando
14th June 2005, 17:11
Yah quit your school and remain ignorant...that is EXACTLY what the capitalists and imperialists want. If the people remain dumb they will not rebel, as soon as there are educated people they might become a threat to the imperialists...

Maybe the reason why universities and intellectuals are purged after military coups a lot :rolleyes:

Sir Aunty Christ
14th June 2005, 17:14
Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 14 2005, 04:05 PM

Chomsky did not need a college degree to be what he was to become

um ...he didn't need training in linguistics to be a linguist?

He didn't need a PhD to become a professor at MIT?

Really?
True, Chomsky didn't need a degree to have the views he did and have the base intelligence to write about them but it's a sign of the system that without his qualifications he probably wouldn't have been as widely respected as he is.

Anyway, I think we've gone slightly off the point. Education is important for the masses otherwise you could get a situation where a large group is led by a small group who are exploiting them without the large questioning.

That is what Chomsky meant. He wasn't saying "you don't need an education" he was saying that the education system as it is rotten specifically because it is designed to exploit the masses and it needs to be changed.

bunk
14th June 2005, 17:20
this should all be in the anti-school thread in practice.

dso79
14th June 2005, 18:00
Not only can you gain important knowledge about politics, economics, history etc in university, you can also develop your debating skills and your leadership skills, which are vital for a revolutionary. University is also a great place to meet like-minded people.

I agree that college students are the vanguard of the revolution, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be possible to be a student and a revolutionary at the same time.

I’m a uni dropout, btw :(

resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 18:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 05:00 PM
Not only can you gain important knowledge about politics, economics, history etc in university ...
That is absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :che:

Urban Guerrilla
14th June 2005, 18:38
"We have inspiration, if I was educated I would be a damn fool..." - Bob Marley
:che:

anonymous red
14th June 2005, 19:34
Originally posted by resisting arrest with violence+Jun 14 2005, 01:34 PM--> (resisting arrest with violence @ Jun 14 2005, 01:34 PM)
[email protected] 14 2005, 05:00 PM
Not only can you gain important knowledge about politics, economics, history etc in university ...
That is absurd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :che: [/b]
not particularly. i can atest to the fact that i would not be the individual i am today if it wasn't for the past 4 years that i spent in uni.

didn't che go to medical school? :che:

Patchy
14th June 2005, 22:01
You know, when it all boils down to it, who we are in the end, is who we make ourselves. You say that by going to school we are slaves, when really, we're the ones choosing to go to school. It's not slavery because its our own choice.

If you think that school will make us turn into cappies, or imperialists, or whatever else we shouldn't be, then you're mistaken. If we allow ourselves to become this, albeit from school, work, life, whatever, then it's our own fault. It all comes down to us in the end.

If everyone who wanted to revolutionize dropped out of school RIGHT NOW, it would never happen. We would all just be a bunch of unorganized, unefficient, uneducated fools. I'm approaching becoming a manager at McDonalds, yet I'm still left wing. I still think that the world could be a much better place. What is the job teaching me? Leadership. Stress Management. Planning skills.

Not saying you shouldn't drop out, if you havn't already. Thats your choice. Those of us who want to actually learn a thing or two will just stick with it. We're going to be just as left when we're down as we are now.

resisting arrest with violence
14th June 2005, 22:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 09:01 PM
You know, when it all boils down to it, who we are in the end, is who we make ourselves. You say that by going to school we are slaves, when really, we're the ones choosing to go to school. It's not slavery because its our own choice.

If you think that school will make us turn into cappies, or imperialists, or whatever else we shouldn't be, then you're mistaken. If we allow ourselves to become this, albeit from school, work, life, whatever, then it's our own fault. It all comes down to us in the end.

If everyone who wanted to revolutionize dropped out of school RIGHT NOW, it would never happen. We would all just be a bunch of unorganized, unefficient, uneducated fools. I'm approaching becoming a manager at McDonalds, yet I'm still left wing. I still think that the world could be a much better place. What is the job teaching me? Leadership. Stress Management. Planning skills.

Not saying you shouldn't drop out, if you havn't already. Thats your choice. Those of us who want to actually learn a thing or two will just stick with it. We're going to be just as left when we're down as we are now.
McDonald's, eh? How do you sleep?----knowing that your great entrepreneurial and leadership skills are going to increase the obesity and overweight epidemic in this country. Sixty percent of the Amerika's population is overweight and 30% of the the population is dangerously obese. This is the kind of shit I am talking about--- loony pseudo-revolutionaries that do volunteer work at stinking cesspools like McDonalds after they go through the assembly line capitalist educational regiment at the universities. What a lark!!!!

LSD
14th June 2005, 22:38
This is the kind of shit I am talking about--- loony revolutionaries that do volunteer work at stinking cesspools like McDonalds after they go through the assembly line capitalist regiment at the universities. What a lark!!!!

um... you do realize that most fast food employees are not college graduates, right?

C_Rasmussen
14th June 2005, 22:42
Well I am going to a tech school in the fall. Its to help better MYSELF. I don't think that they should drop due to the fact that the capitalists will have the upperhand.

Entrails Konfetti
14th June 2005, 23:03
Well I plan on going to school for politicial science. Don't know what I'm going to do with the degree.And I don't really care. But ,I'm not goin to be paper pushing for some Capitalist Party I'll tell you that.

I'll probably end up being a traveling, starving artist in some radical leftist organization.

Klipper
14th June 2005, 23:25
i agree with droping out, and teaching yourself.
90% of the time, the only thing you get out of schooling is a piece of paper so that you can get a higher-paying job in the system we are trying to destroy.

don't be ignorant, be responsable and teach yourself! public school students, and many many college students are fucking retarded! go talk to someone who just got their electrical engineering degree and se if they know how to take a batter, light bulb, and 1 wire, and make the light turn on! chances are, they won't know how, because in the lab, they always used light bulb sockets!

so that's my 2c... drop out of the indoctrination system and teach yourself something!

fernando
15th June 2005, 01:17
Originally posted by resisting arrest with violence+Jun 14 2005, 09:33 PM--> (resisting arrest with violence @ Jun 14 2005, 09:33 PM)
[email protected] 14 2005, 09:01 PM
You know, when it all boils down to it, who we are in the end, is who we make ourselves. You say that by going to school we are slaves, when really, we're the ones choosing to go to school. It's not slavery because its our own choice.

If you think that school will make us turn into cappies, or imperialists, or whatever else we shouldn't be, then you're mistaken. If we allow ourselves to become this, albeit from school, work, life, whatever, then it's our own fault. It all comes down to us in the end.

If everyone who wanted to revolutionize dropped out of school RIGHT NOW, it would never happen. We would all just be a bunch of unorganized, unefficient, uneducated fools. I'm approaching becoming a manager at McDonalds, yet I'm still left wing. I still think that the world could be a much better place. What is the job teaching me? Leadership. Stress Management. Planning skills.

Not saying you shouldn't drop out, if you havn't already. Thats your choice. Those of us who want to actually learn a thing or two will just stick with it. We're going to be just as left when we're down as we are now.
McDonald's, eh? How do you sleep?----knowing that your great entrepreneurial and leadership skills are going to increase the obesity and overweight epidemic in this country. Sixty percent of the Amerika's population is overweight and 30% of the the population is dangerously obese. This is the kind of shit I am talking about--- loony pseudo-revolutionaries that do volunteer work at stinking cesspools like McDonalds after they go through the assembly line capitalist educational regiment at the universities. What a lark!!!! [/b]
MacDonalds does not force these people to eat there every day...

Besides, the people who are getting so fat and sick by eating MacDonalds should blame themselves not MacDonalds...it's jsut as pathetic as smokers who are angry at cigarette companies because smoking causes cancer..."oh I didnt know that...I thought I was smoking pure vitamin C"...

besides this leftist working at the MacDonalds has to make a living too right? He needs money to buy food, house, etc...

But okay if you are so "true" to your revolution...throw all your possessions away and go create everything from scratch so you will know 100% that you will not contribute what so ever on any kind of expoitation!

anonymous red
15th June 2005, 01:28
yes, everyone quit your jobs if you work for a multinational corporation at any level. i don't care if you can't eat or pay the bills as a result, at least you will be true to the revolution! throw away those clothes that were probably made in sweatshops! fight exploitation! shop at local businesses and avoid the walmarts of the world! oh wait, local businesses have bosses and employees who sell their labor to survive too...how counterrevolutionary! i guess we are all fucked comrades! but while you're at it, drop out of college! don't become doctors or engineers they are counterrevolutionary and will be whiped out in the revolution! do not waste your time kowtowing to the bourgeoisie!

[/sarcasm]

Patchy
15th June 2005, 04:33
Originally posted by resisting arrest with violence+Jun 14 2005, 09:33 PM--> (resisting arrest with violence @ Jun 14 2005, 09:33 PM)
[email protected] 14 2005, 09:01 PM
You know, when it all boils down to it, who we are in the end, is who we make ourselves. You say that by going to school we are slaves, when really, we're the ones choosing to go to school. It's not slavery because its our own choice.

If you think that school will make us turn into cappies, or imperialists, or whatever else we shouldn't be, then you're mistaken. If we allow ourselves to become this, albeit from school, work, life, whatever, then it's our own fault. It all comes down to us in the end.

If everyone who wanted to revolutionize dropped out of school RIGHT NOW, it would never happen. We would all just be a bunch of unorganized, unefficient, uneducated fools. I'm approaching becoming a manager at McDonalds, yet I'm still left wing. I still think that the world could be a much better place. What is the job teaching me? Leadership. Stress Management. Planning skills.

Not saying you shouldn't drop out, if you havn't already. Thats your choice. Those of us who want to actually learn a thing or two will just stick with it. We're going to be just as left when we're down as we are now.
McDonald's, eh? How do you sleep?----knowing that your great entrepreneurial and leadership skills are going to increase the obesity and overweight epidemic in this country. Sixty percent of the Amerika's population is overweight and 30% of the the population is dangerously obese. This is the kind of shit I am talking about--- loony pseudo-revolutionaries that do volunteer work at stinking cesspools like McDonalds after they go through the assembly line capitalist educational regiment at the universities. What a lark!!!! [/b]
So, If you're suggesting that I'm not going to go to college, you're wrong, seeing as how I'm only 17 and you sorta have to finish high school first.

Anyway, I sleep fine. Heres how it tends to work; I lye down. I close my eyes. I wake up the next morning. It might be a liiiitle to complicated for your drop out mind to handle.

Entrepreneurial leadership? I've never even handled money there. I don't care about money. I call the shots so people can get the food that they want, regardless of how bad it is for them. I feel no moral pain for people eating at McDonalds. It's their choice in the end my friend. They see the ads, they choose to succumb to them and eat there. Instead, I feel disappointment, knowing that it's bad for them. But hey, it's still their lives in the end.

You could say that to most any job out there "I work at a security firm" - "How do you sleep knowing that you contribute to ruining a thieves night?"

"I work for Canadian Tire" - "How do you sleep knowing that kids buy paintballs from you and shoot at cars witht them?"

"I work at Wal-Mart" - "How do you feel knowing that you work for a corporation that is unfair to female employees?"

Next, It's not volunteer work. They pay me. What do I do with the money? I save up to go to school. Why? So I can learn. Why Do I want to learn? 1) So I can learn about things that interest me 2) So I can make a contribution to the world with the skills I want to learn. Skills that would be just as helpful to a reform, or the attemps to, if it ever happened and I agree with it. 3) To spite misguided people like yourself. You speak of changing things, yet you expect to do it with unexperienced school drop outs. We have to have something in our heads other than hormone driven thoughts that would jeapordize success, and possibly lives.

To finish up, I live in Canada, not Amerika, Thanks. Like I have stated before, working at McDonalds has not turned me into a capitalist like you seem to think it has. I'm just as left, if not more left, than I was when I started there. I don't know where you come off calling me a 'loony psuedo-revolutionary'. If the time ever comes for change, I really hope to hell that you, and people like you, don't show up. You would just put the entire thing at risk with your screwball antics.

tambourine_man
19th June 2005, 19:57
i agree with "resisting arrest with violence."

first of all,
any system of education necessarily intends to establish for the students certain guidelines, principles, and, most importantly, methods, by which to live life and pursue goals. that is a given.
so, in a capitalist country, such methods are always, without exception, based on the monetary system (that thing which we are trying to destroy, right?). you are not provided with an education because somebody up there wants you to learn what you want to learn and be happy and content pursuing intellectual life. you are provided with an education so you can fulfill a specific purpose within the capitalist system (again, inextricably connected to preserving the bourgeousie balance of power, monetary system, all things antithetical to communism, etc.). there are all sorts of consequences, among them, your education will certainly be slanted. self-education is the only way to be truly "educated." unfortunately, self-education seems impossible as long as the capitalist system is in place, for obvious reasons (i.e. you won't have a job and will starve!).
but to just concede, and say "i don't want to starve!" and succumb to the system, to the institution, is to take a very anti-revolutionary position, and is to admit that the capitalists control your decisions. there are, in fact, many ways to puruse self-education and not starve - forming communies, for example, like was done by the sixties counterculture. anti-universities, sit-ins, teach-ins. if you ask me, the hippies were a fuck of a lot more radical than the new left.

secondly,
it is very hateful to imply that non-educated persons are useless, or are inferior, in the revolution. the working class is the working class because they have been unfairly denied those opportunities for education and "betterment" (in the capitalist sense). and, if i'm not mistaken, it's the working class who'll comprise the bulk of the revolutionaries.

also, i don't think you can be a communist and still work for a multi-national corporation. there are plenty of other job opportunities. considering, in america, there are very few communists, i don't see why each can't find a job that does not directly contribute to the torture, murder, abuse of countless poor people.

so, good luck with that. ;)